Good southern state for a gunowner?


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goon
September 28, 2004, 04:54 PM
I am thinking that I want to move south. PA is just too cold for too long and the employment outlook is less than ideal.
I have been thinking about maybe either Tennessee or Georgia. What are the gun laws and hunting laws like in these states?
Also, I have never been below the Mason-Dixon line. Do southerners discriminate against northerners when hiring?
I know this isn't entirely gun related, but it is sort of gun related.
I definitely won't move to an anti gun state like CA, Mass, or NJ. Being a gunowner absolutely affects where I can live an work, so it is relevant.
Sorry if I'm not allowed to post this.

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PinnedAndRecessed
September 28, 2004, 05:19 PM
I lived in Tennessee for about 13 years, off and on (college, work, etc.) before moving to the left coast.

I haven't been there in seven years which is when I moved.

When I was there, there was no CCW. But it seemed like everyone carried anyway. Nobody cared. Now I think they have CCW.

There was no gun registration. But to buy a handgun, I had to hand carry the paperwork to the local sheriff to get approval. He always approved.

Hunting is lax. You can google a search on Tennessee hunting laws. The problem with deer hunting in my area was that there was an illegal and informal poaching club where the members bet to see who could kill the most deer in a given year. That really hurt the deer population.

But again, even when they got caught, nothing happened because nobody really cared.

You can expect large crowds hunting, however. Unless you manage to find some private land. I did most of my hunting on friend's or friends of friend's land.

And if you move to a rural part of Tennessee, you will always be an outsider. I was in one location for 6 and a half years before they accepted me. At seven years I moved.

But if you move to a city, all bets are off. Nashville, I hear, has been infected with Kommifornians and are absolutely polluting the politics, etc.

DWS1117
September 28, 2004, 05:51 PM
If you haven't yet, check www.packing.org. This site will give you infomation and links pertaining to gun laws for all states. They also have a message board.

We have several members from Tennessee. I am wil to bet at least one will chime in with some info. it seems like it would be a nice place to live.

Of course there is always Texas. You name it we have it here. You want hot and dry? We have it. You want a little snow? We have it. There is everything from mountains to piney woods to wet lands. Lots of good fishing and hunting.

The gun laws here are pretty good. CHLs, while pricey, are easy to abtain. Class 3 is ok (not sure about the whole state). No stupid waiting periods or limits to how many guns you can buy during specified time period. We don't have a lot of the restrictions that some of our more unfortunate brothers and sisters in the more communist states have to endure.

As far discrimination against northerners for jobs, I can offer no insight. I haven't noticed it. There are plenty of northern folk here at my company. Now, we will give you a hard time about your accent. And, yes, you do have one.

Pebcac
September 28, 2004, 06:45 PM
Tennesee guns laws are fine. PinnedAndRecessed's info is a little out of date. No purchasing rules beyond the normal federal ones other than the fact that the background check is done in a TBI database rather than NICS, and thus costs you $10. Tennessee CCW is good, too -- open carry if you prefer it, and lots of reciprocity.

Mississippi is pretty good, too. NICS check, so no $10, and the check (and corresponding wait) is waived if you have a Mississippi CCW permit. Mississippi has recently changed their reciprocity requirements, and reciprocity is quickly increasing as a result. Also, you don't need a permit to carry in your car thanks to a specific provision in Mississippi law.

No AWBs in either state, and you can have Class 3 if you jump through all the federal hoops.

Not too much discrimination against Northerners where I am (Memphis area) since there's a wide spectrum of folks here, so I don't think you'll have trouble with getting work just from "not bein' from 'round here."

Just remember -- it ain't the heat, it's the humidity. :D

My brother lives in Texas and loves it. I liked it too, but it's a bit hot for me in San Antonio.

Skofnung
September 28, 2004, 06:56 PM
Florida is about as good as it gets when it comes to gun laws in the Southeast.

As far as job discrimination, methinks that this is a product of the "old" south, i.e. pre 1980 south. There are still places like that around, but they don't have very large populations, and jobs would be scarce anyway. I'm sure if you are qualified, you could find a job in this state somewhere...

If you want my advice, if you do move to Florida, stay north of Ocala. The further south you go, the more problems arise, at least in my experience... All except the fishing. The fishing is GREAT down there.

You Yankees outnumber us Crackers in this state now anyway... Might as well have one more that's pro-RKBA. :)

moredes
September 28, 2004, 07:00 PM
A lot will depend not only on your specific job market, but your decision should consider weather, or more importantly, inclimate weather occurances. I guarantee nobody in FL, Mobile, GA, is real pleased with their choice of abode locale right about now. Whether they were directly affected by the hurricane season (so far) or not, they are certainly suffering and will continue to suffer long-term effects--decreased municiple services, tax increases to help the local governments, a poorer local economy, etc. And the "South" has seasons--tornado, hurricane, T-storms, flash floods, etc. Any one thing can break the bank in a *big* life-altering way, without proper preparation.

Having only been in my new home state for a total of 3 days, before I moved there from across the country, I spent near 60 manhours researching the internet and the local real estate agents/market for feedback on my designated areas. I focussed the "best" area for my preferences by searching archives and demographic surveys. some of my sources were:

National Weather Service Archives
for tornadoes
floods
hail storms
hurricanes
thunderstorms
average cost of property damage per storm (by county)
death rate vs. storm occurance (i.e., tornadoes, etc.)
topo maps can show flood plains and the high ground

State-funded and real-estate brokers' demographic surveys can show crime rates, gross yearly wage averages (by population percentage), quality of local schools (resale value considerations, if nothing else), local hospitals and the nearest medical facilities ('out in the country' is nice, but an EMT that takes 50 minutes to get to you, is a drag), etc. Do you need night life? is your industry in abundance in the 'south'? etc.

For me, gunownership wasn't a question at all; east of NM from the water-border states all the way to W.dc. and south of Ohio, those states ain't PRK, MA, or NJ. "Folk" culture is used to guns around the populace.

Redlg155
September 28, 2004, 07:03 PM
Come on down to Florida!

I live in NW Florida, so I the ability to speak spanish is not required!:D

Gun laws are great and we are a Class III state, so you can have your machine guns if that's your peice of cake. Concealed Carry Permits are also easy to obtain since we are a "shall issue" state. Just becuase you want one is reason enough.

You won't find much better fishing both inland and offshore in Florida and hunting is excellent. We have lots of deer, so you can kill 2 per day during the season. No tags, just buy your license and have at it. Wildlife management areas are all over the place as well as military installations. You can hunt at many installations as a civilian since they qualify as a type II WMA in many areas. In my area I hunt Tyndall AFB during the hunting season.

Good Shooting
Red

Roon
September 28, 2004, 07:44 PM
Goon,

The Carolinas are very gun-friendly (very easy to get CCW with reciprocity with many other states), and Charlotte NC is a veritable boomtown - the second fastest growing area in the country. Weather is perfect here in the Appalachian foothills, close to great mountains, skiiing, wilderness, etc., etc.

goon
September 28, 2004, 08:10 PM
The Carolinas you say?
Hmmm...

To tell the truth, I am pretty much in the situation that I will either have to :

A. Get a job and settle here in PA pretty soon.
Or
B. Move south and get a job.

I have an Associate's Degree in the IT field, so I am hoping for an entry level position in that field, but I would work just about any acceptable job that pays good enough. I don't really want to work with computers for the rest of my life.

I don't really want to settle in PA though. It stays cold here for too long and the job outlook for ANY job isn't all that great. The gun laws are totally awesome here though. We have a RKBA in our state constitution, so even our anti gun gov'nah can't touch them.

Anyhow, thanks for the leads.

Roon
September 28, 2004, 08:25 PM
There are two major banks headquartered here in Charlotte (Bank of America and Wachovia) and plenty of IT work. Red Hat and plenty of other computer related companies in NC.

Good luck on your hunt.

spin180
September 28, 2004, 08:26 PM
Not on the thread topic, but...

Two posts, back to back...

One by Roon and the other by goon...

Roon and goon...

:p :D

And on the thread topic, NC ain't too bad. Gun friendliness can be very dependent on the location, but that's probably true for other places too. The climate is fairly nice, but it's been a bitch the last few weeks with Frances and Ivan. State government is alright, but our current governor's an idiot. What else can I say...

Tennesse and Georgia are nice also, though. Good options.

Good luck in your quest!

azrael
September 28, 2004, 08:29 PM
NC would be good as Roon said...Although the permit system that NC has varies a bit county by county...The County that I live in (Randolph) has a very pro-RKBA sheriff, so you dont have to wait but like 10 minutes for a permit..you can get 5 at a time (5$ea) and they are good for 5 years...The county next to mine (Alamance) takes a week to get a permit..or at least it did under the old regime...Class III is ok..

IT fields are pretty decent around Charlotte or RTP...You wouldnt catch me dead in either city (to many people) but thats me..:D

Yankee discrimination??? Well your accent will get you picked at somewhat (and YEA ya got one!) but prolly not to any great extent...But as far as jobs in the IT field, most of the companies could care less where you are from...just dont mention the word UNION! and you will be fine..



Gotta make the holsters :what:

readyfire
September 28, 2004, 08:35 PM
South carolina,im moving there from maryland.It was either their or PA!!Both have good gun laws.Good luck on your venture!

cool45auto
September 28, 2004, 08:37 PM
Come on down to Georgia!:cool:

Roon
September 28, 2004, 08:42 PM
Oh yeh, I forgot about that part of your question. Fact is, in both Research Triangle Park and Charlotte, not many folks will notice you're a yankee (might as well get used to it), and in most other parts, as long as you ain't fixin' to marry kin, nobody else really gives a hoot.

But remember, "the war" means the "War or Northern Aggression" (there was nothing "civil" about it). The "Stars and Bars" refers to the First National Flag of the Confederacy,

http://www.albaedit.com/TFL/FirstNationalFlag.jpg

not the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the more recognizable "rebel" flag with the St. Andrews Cross.

http://www.albaedit.com/TFL/cs-9va.jpg

Lots of things to learn. Fun. Great place.

Bullet Bob
September 28, 2004, 08:43 PM
NC just passed a law that if you have a concealed carry permit, you no longer have to get a permit to buy a handgun.

RWK
September 28, 2004, 08:47 PM
Several/many excellent alternatives: VA, TX, FL, GA and others.

armoredman
September 28, 2004, 08:48 PM
South, or Southwest? Arizona, no license to purchase, or carry open, shall issue CCW, no registration, Class 3 friendly, (carry your Class 3 CC on your permit, if you wish), no waiting period, CCW eliminates background check, no magazine limitations, no AWB, pre-emption law keeps things the same statewide, no ammo bans, no one-gun-a-month, CCW reciprocity with many states, only places with better laws is Alaska and Vermont....
Oh, no duty to retreat to fire in self defense either - stand your ground.:cool:

spartacus2002
September 28, 2004, 08:48 PM
Nobody has mentioned Virginia yet? Shall-issue permits to carry concealed, no-permit open carry, Class III, and a hardcore pro-carry group (Virginia Citizen's Defense League).

Roon
September 28, 2004, 08:50 PM
Speaking of Georgia, there's a great place a little north of Atlanta, Kennesaw, home of Wildman's (http://www.wildmans-civilwar-surplus.com/) , and the locomotive made famous by Buster Keaton in "The General".

And then where Wellington was defeated during the Revolutionary War, just great history, everywhere.

(Sorry for the boosterism!):rolleyes:

mtnbkr
September 28, 2004, 08:53 PM
For IT, Northern Va is a great choice, especially if you have any .gov security clearances. If you have a TS w/poly, I can almost promise you a job with my company.

That said, NoVa is the more liberal area of Virginia, but since Gov Warner make state gun laws THE law across Va, it's no worse gun-wise than any other portion of the state (prior, some locality had their own laws, but not anymore). Va is pretty pro-gun in general. You'll run into your loopy liberals here and there, but overall, it's cool.

NC is a good choice as well. I'd live in either state.

Do southerners discriminate against northerners when hiring?

Not that I've noticed. It's not the 1950s you know. ;)

Chris

Lone_Gunman
September 28, 2004, 09:00 PM
Goon,

Do you know the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee?

W Turner
September 28, 2004, 09:00 PM
Alabama ain't bad either. Huntsville (north-central) is probably the best area for IT jobs due to the heavy Aerospae industry there. As a matter of fact my company is usually looking for IT guys. PM me if you're interested.

No extra fees or hassle with buying a gun. Lay your money down, do the NICS check and walk out with it. Class 3 is not a problem as far as I know.

CCW is technically may-issue, but is more shall-issue in practice and the exact procedures vary by county. I have never paid more than $10 a year or had to wait more than 2 weeks for my permit. My home county issues them on the spot for $5.

Hunting is pretty good and getting better. The southern part of the state is the home of Buckmasters and deer are plentiful in pretty much the entire state. Public lands are crowded, but the Bubba's leave plenty of deer out there. Fishing is great as well, Pickwick and Wilson Lakes are well known for unbelieveable smallmouth bass fishing.

W

patentnonsense
September 28, 2004, 09:04 PM
I moved down to Texas a good while back, and I have to say I like many things about it. Weather isn't one of them, but mostly we don't have hurricanes except on the Gulf Coast. (Houston is about the only place in the world where we brag about the Dallas weather.) There's a lot more honesty and kindness in your day-to-day interactions here than you'll see in the Northeast - and Texas generally is pretty friendly to making your own way. There's less political correctness here than most places, and a lot of pro-Second-Amendment sentiment.

Most of Texas isn't culturally Southern - just the parts north of a Dallas-Houston line. (Lots of other Texans think they're Southerners.) That'd probably be a plus for you: nobody really cares who your grandparents were.

And as in most Southern states, our women are WAY better looking than what you'll see up North. Come on down!

Wayne D
September 28, 2004, 09:27 PM
The only bad law that VA has is the one-handgun-a-month law. But they just amended it so that if you have a CWP you are exempt. Mark Warner is a Democrat but he has been very gun/hunter friendly since he's been in office. Better than some Republicans I can think of. In the southwestern part of the state even the democrats are pro-gun. Rick Boucher is pro-gun. Virgil Goode was so pro-gun, anti-Clinton that they kicked him out of the Democratic party. :D Actually I think he quit but I like to tell it that way.

As far as prejudice against Yankees, just be careful. If you talk too fast down here, people tend to think you're a smart ass. So just try to talk slow until people get to know you and you'll be OK.







Edited for content:cool:

mtnbkr
September 28, 2004, 09:36 PM
VA has is the one-gun-a-month law

Just to be clear, it's one handgun a month and that is waived if you have a CCW permit. Even if you don't, you can fill out a state police form and get a waiver then as well. I've never tried that though, so I don't know how difficult it is.

There are other bad laws though. The "no CCW in bar/restaurant" law is one that affects me frequently. Yes, you can open carry in those places, but since I'm usually packing a P32, openenly carrying it means tying it to a string around my neck. :p

Chris

Waitone
September 28, 2004, 09:46 PM
NC in particular is pretty much accepting that Yankees are a fact of life. Charlotte area is the second largest financial center in the US. Seems every six months the license plate de jour changes. NY was popular after 911. Then it move to Mass. Oregon was popular for a while. A few Californicators came to town. For now the majority out of CA are gangs setting up CLT franchises. Current license de jour is Indiana (no, really).

About the only thing you had better be careful with is, "Well, back home we did it this way." Guaranteed to cause a vigorous discussion. Books are available which detail numerous responsess.

Bring your own women. We don't like poachers. :D

Four seasons. Summer is rough with its tendency of 95/95 though this year has been in the mid-80's.

Gun laws ain't perfect but better than most areas.

Wayne D
September 28, 2004, 09:56 PM
There are other bad laws though. The "no CCW in bar/restaurant" law is one that affects me frequently.

Yeah, I forgot about that one. You can't carry concealed any place that serves alcohol. So if you eat at a restaurant that serves beer or wine, whether you are drinking or not, you can't carry concealed. You can't carry in church either, I'm still thinking about that one.

goober
September 29, 2004, 12:05 AM
Another plug for NC. I have lived in Pa (Harrisburg/Hershey, Lancaster, Philadelphia area), and now reside outside Charlotte, N.C. Pretty friendly for gun owners. Recent bill allowing purchase of handguns with CCW instead of permits is a nice change.

As far as the weather, experience just one winter here, and you won't want to go back to Pa :). Just thinking of the mild winters makes you forget the hot/humid summer months. Four distinct seasons also. I am very happy with the move here.

Greg

Chut1st
September 29, 2004, 12:57 AM
All of the Southern states are very gun friendly, especially when compared to PA. One big non-firearm advantage to both TN and FL is the absence of a state income tax in both states.

I'm partial to TN, having grown up here and returned after retiring from my first career. Very easy CCW process, no "gun a month" limits. Lots of hunting opportunities and ranges. Memphis has a lot of IT opportunities with major businesses like FedEx and a really nice public range.

Good luck in your search, Goon. You won't regret moving south. Nobody retires to the north.

goon
September 29, 2004, 12:58 AM
Oddly enough, I am OK with heat. I don't really notice it as much as some people do. I do feel the heat, but it really just feels a little warmer to me. I hate the cold though. You guys know the cold I mean, the kind of cold that just freezes your cheeks (both sets of them) as you walk across the parking lot to your vehicle. No matter how heavy your coat is, it just blows right through it. Then, to make things worse, you invariably have to walk across six hundred yards of smooth ice covered asphalt to get to said vehicle, often while carrying your expensive laptop computer. Move too fast and you fall down and slide to your death. Too slow and you freeze to death halfway there and stay frozen solid until mid June.

Oh no, I haven't lived in PA for very long...

Byron Quick
September 29, 2004, 01:12 AM
"Well, back home we did it this way." Guaranteed to cause a vigorous discussion. Books are available which detail numerous responsess.

Yep...the response I hear thrown at the peope who are trying to turn the South into the place they left is,"If you don't like it down here; Delta is ready when you are."

A previous poster is on the money on the culture shift beyond the Houston/Dallas line from what I've been told by a native Texan who has lived in many parts of the state and travelled extensively through the South.

One thing to do though is check out ALL of the ramifications of CCW. Some actions that are misdemeanours if committed without CCW are felonies if committed with CCW in some states.

In a lot of the urban areas, northerners actually outnumber the natives...they haven't realized that we've got them surrounded:D
Not much actual discrimination against y'all but being a Yankee might get you talked about some in rural areas.

Georgia is shall issue. No waiting periods. State pre-emption of municipalities on the gun issue. No restriction on numbers purchased. NICS waived for CCW. Private sale is legal. You can carry a handgun in open view without a CCW in your vehicle and anywhere/anyhow you want with CCW. Numerous WMA's for public hunting. Numerous hunting clubs that aren't totally ludicrous in their fees. Lots of farmers who don't lease their land out as they reserve it for themselves.

MICHAEL T
September 29, 2004, 01:21 AM
Look at Ky we got mild winters ,Lots of hunting and fishing and great gun laws. Our carry lic. is a weapon permit not just a hand gun. :DRember best machine gun shoot in country in Ky.:what:

papercut
September 29, 2004, 02:45 AM
Lone_Gunman asked:
Do you know the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee?

Heh. I love springing this one on Damn Yankees. :p

OEF_VET
September 29, 2004, 03:04 AM
Do you know the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee?

A Yankee comes to visit. Us Damn Yankees come to live. A G*dD*mn Yankee comes to live and marries a Southern woman.

Highpower1
September 29, 2004, 10:41 AM
Georgia is a gun friendly state. That's one of the main reasons I still live here.

Tinker
September 29, 2004, 10:45 AM
goon said:

"Oddly enough, I am OK with heat. I don't really notice it as much as some people do.......... I hate the cold though. ..........and you freeze to death halfway there and stay frozen solid until mid June."

Your description of the cold makes you sound like you're genetically southern. :) Resistance is futile. Come on down.

Zach S
September 29, 2004, 10:52 AM
A Yankee comes to visit. Us Damn Yankees come to live. A G*dD*mn Yankee comes to live and marries a Southern woman. Sums it up nicely...

Byron Quick
September 29, 2004, 11:02 AM
A Yankee comes to visit. Us Damn Yankees come to live. A G*dD*mn Yankee comes to live and marries a Southern woman.

Personally, I consider a Yankee who marries a Southern woman to be well on the road to complete salvation.

A Union soldier asked a Confederate soldier why the Confederates kept fighting long after any soldier could see the fight was hopeless. The Confederate answered,"Cuz we was a lot more afraid to go home and tell the womenfolk we had lost than we were to keep fighting y'all."

Women were the backbone of the South. Still are. Read the wording on Confederate monuments in the South. Note just how many were erected by the Daughters of the Confederacy. Read the wording on the few monuments erected by male organizations. Consider how much more conciliatory the men's words were.

I'd rather play with rattlesnakes than get on the wrong side of a group of Southern women....and just about all of them are a member of a group whether formal or informal.

moredes
September 29, 2004, 11:09 AM
I thought a Yankee who married a Southern woman was a social climber...that'd move'em up to being just a notch above Kerry, and two above a snake.

I shouldn't be so hard on snakes.

Waitone
September 29, 2004, 11:13 AM
Meet a true southern woman and you'll immediately understand the term "Iron Magnolia."

Roon
September 29, 2004, 11:29 AM
"Steel Magnolia"... Lawd, that be the truth! And all we men folk want to do is go fishin' or huntin', or just generally laz' around.

BTW, I added some flag pix into an earlier post, for those interested is such things.

cls12vg30
September 29, 2004, 11:38 AM
Come on down to the Triangle! (Raleigh / Durham, NC) It's a great place to live, lots of IT opportunities. IBM, Red Hat, Nortel, Cisco all have facilities here, biotech is also very big. Not to mention state government since Raleigh is the capital. I work as a DBA for a small local IT service provider, our two biggest customers are GlaxoSmithKline and the state government.

We had a couple of tough years there but the economic recovery is in full swing here. It's a beautiful city and a nice size. Being the state capital, the downtown area is very clean and well-kept, and the suburbs are still rapidly growing, and very pretty. Lots of trees in this town. I live in an apartment right on a small lake, heavily wooded, sometimes it feels like you're camping, yet I'm only 10 minutes from RDU airport and the nearest shopping center is all of 2 miles away.

I moved here from Buffalo, NY right after graduating from college in 2000. You don't have to worry about being a Yankee here, I think about 50% of the population are Northerners. Traffic can be bad in a couple spots at times but nothing compared to Charlotte.

Gun laws are pretty good, open carry is legal but risky to do in the city, CCW is shall-issue, not too pricey (I paid $150 including the required course), and not hard to get, but it can take awhile to go through (up to 90 days). Handgun purchase permits take a week to go through and cost 5 bucks apiece. But we have a new law now that if you have your CCW you no longer have to bother with purchase permits. The current sherriff of Wake County is very RKBA-friendly. Durham county is less so. The only bad thing is all the restrictions on where you can carry, but Grass Roots North Carolina (www.grnc.org) will be working on getting some of those overturned in the coming year. Another good thing is you can count on a gun show within a 2 hour drive almost every weekend.

Overall, I love Raleigh, and I can think of few places I'd rather live.

PinnedAndRecessed
September 29, 2004, 02:40 PM
You might want to factor the following into your equation about Georgia.

"Scientists renew search for lost nuclear bomb"

Bomber dumped H-bomb off Georgia coast 46 years ago

Spurred by what appear to be unusual radiation readings offshore, the U.S. government is sending a team of 20 scientists to try to find a hydrogen bomb lost off the Georgia coast in 1958.

Scientists from the Pentagon and the National Labs met on Wednesday with Derek Duke, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who has searched for the missing 7,600-pound nuke over the past five years.

Duke has detected what he believes are unusual radiation readings in Wassaw Sound near Tybee Island.

A B-47 bomber dumped the H-bomb into the Atlantic Ocean 46 years ago after the plane collided with a fighter jet during a training flight. Navy divers searched the shallow, murky waters near Tybee Island for nearly 10 weeks before declaring the bomb irretrievably lost.

goon
September 29, 2004, 02:48 PM
On second thought, maybe I should rethink this.
When these southern women meet me, they will undoubtedly be charmed like never before. Marriage offers will be plentiful and that is likely to anger some of you guys.
BTW - What exactly is the definition of a Yankee?
I think you guys have "Yankees" stereotyped.
Not all of us come from NYC or NJ looking to convert you guys, you know. If anything, I wish to adapt your culture and make it my own. Well, at least unless you guys don't shoot enough.
In that case, I will work to convert you.

"Damn Yankee... comin' down here and buyin' up all our ammo... Tellin' us we ain't been shootin' enuff."

Roon
September 29, 2004, 03:16 PM
Yankee - \Yan"kee\ def., 1.) inhabitants of any state which fought against the Confederacy, and not including border states, i.e., Missouri and Kentucky (which were honorarily given two of the 13 stars in the battle flag of ANV), Maryland and Delaware; 2.) Those states south of the Mason-Dixon Line, i.e., Maryland and south; 3,) Anybody coming down from "up north", with an attitude.

Come down and live and learn with the locals, and you'll be considered a local and accepted readily, but as hard as one may try, you'll never be considered a Southerner.

goon
September 29, 2004, 06:57 PM
Well, I guess beggars can't be choosers. ;)
Still though, the I am leaning hard toward moving. Probably gonna try to pick up another job and save a little money first, but I like the idea of some place warm.

BTW - I was in a local sporting goods store today, and a Deputy Sheriff came in (the courthouse is across the street). He was looking for batteries for his flashlight, and he didn't bat an eye when two guys walked past him openly carrying Smith & Wessons. This area of PA really does rock as far as gun ownership goes. Anyone here live somewhere like that?
If I had to describe what I am looking for, that would be it.
:cool:

carpettbaggerr
September 30, 2004, 05:22 PM
Don't go to NC if you like open carry. You guys know the cold I mean, the kind of cold that just freezes your cheeks (both sets of them) as you walk across the parking lot to your vehicle. No matter how heavy your coat is, it just blows right through it. Yes, I love brisk weather. Don't know about the weather in Indiana, but their gun laws are pretty good for a southern State. :)

Byron Quick
September 30, 2004, 05:57 PM
Yes, I love brisk weather. Don't know about the weather in Indiana, but their gun laws are pretty good for a southern State :scrutiny:

goon
September 30, 2004, 06:57 PM
Yes, I love brisk weather.


Well, PA has that. What I am talking about is a few clicks above brisk though. In PA, there are two types of cold.
The first type is what I call a "warm" cold. In this type of cold, the snow is generally heavy and wet, and the temperatures stay above 20 degrees fahrenheit. This is an OK type of cold, IMO. If you wear a decent pair of boots and an OK coat, you are pretty much OK outside in it. It is even enjoyable.
The other type is the kind with the powdery snow, ice on everything, and wind that will howl right through a peice of plywood. It isn't just brisk, IT IS COLD :eek: . That is what I hate.
I do like the smell of a brisk morning though. I am sure that someone knows what I mean.
Anyhow, this is completely off topic. I just wanted to explain myself.
I don't wnat has happened to me lately. I used to be tough, but age has weakened my resolve.

harpethriver
October 1, 2004, 01:07 AM
OEF_Vet is right-perhaps you could say you were from Southern Pa.-and also say ya'll every once in awhile. Seriously-Tennnessee is now officially the state with the lowest taxes in the country-bar none. And we have NO state income tax. The crime rate is low, we have 4 true seasons, the cost of living is low, property is not expensive, and it's a "right to work" state. The political climate is very good as well. You really should come check it out. That being said, you are welcome to come visit til you only have enough money left for bus fare. Then you need to get back on the bus and go home. :neener:

ducktapehero
October 1, 2004, 01:42 AM
We REAL Missourians have defeated the the CCW law here. Finally the voice of real Missouri was heard. Proof that a Republic is still better than a democracy. I know you wanted this thread to include Southern states so I will offer our state. We have the liberals on the run in our state. Our past governor has the honor of being the most vetoed governor in over 100 years.

Some people may claim that Missouri isn't a Southern state but the truth is we have kudzu, armadillos, a country music town second only to Nashville and a star on the Dixie flag. And General Sterling Price.

goon
October 1, 2004, 01:43 AM
Here in the central part of PA, we say "yeunes" in place of y'all.
"Well, we'll see "yeunes" later."
;)

Zach S
October 1, 2004, 09:11 AM
Here in NC we say yeunes and y'all. I say y'all, it seems to be more popular among people my age, yeunes seems to be more popular with older folks.

Seventhsword
October 1, 2004, 09:37 AM
Texas :cool:

Tinker
October 1, 2004, 10:11 AM
Goon, you said:

" If anything, I wish to adapt your culture and make it my own."

You got the right attitude from the get-go. Good sign. The "conversion" of a Yankee can be done with some study and practice. Case in point, my brother in law. Former college-boy-knowitall (Phd.) , dope smokin', talkin' a-100 mph, rock band playin' 60's hippie from Jersey. Now he talks as slow as normal folk, loves to shoot, has got a "Vote for W" sign in his yard, lives for having a bass on business end of a fishing pole and can pronounce "sumbitch" with the best of us.

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