Extreme .22 LR loads / Aquilla?


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Greybeard
February 23, 2003, 11:51 AM
".22+P" question in recent thread prompted my looking further into tables at http://www.22ammo.com/22ammo.html

Some examples:

Aquilla Super Max: 30 grainer @ 1750 fps

CCI Stinger: 32 grainer @ 1640 fps

CCI Velocitor: 40 grainer (Gold Dot) @ 1450 fps

Aquilla Sniper: 60 grainer @ 950 fps

No experience here with Aquilla except with their really slow Colibri loads. I think of the 2 Aquilla loads above that I saw on shelf at Cheaper Than Dirt in Fort Worth showroom, they were sold in bricks only.

Anyone had a chance to seriously group their Super Max or Sniper? Or try 'em out on critters?

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redneck
February 24, 2003, 01:32 PM
I haven't ever used them, but I remember reading some about the aguila sniper (the 60gr) back on TFL. I think it was in the rifle forum. Might have been refered to as the aguila SSS (super silent sniper, sub sonic sniper) or something like that. If you do a search over there you might come up with something.
Seems like they were longer than normal .22LR, and might have feeding problems in some guns. :confused:
You might try posting this in the rifle forum here too.

Greybeard
February 24, 2003, 01:52 PM
Thanks Redneck. I'll look into TFL archives. Or if I get out and about where it's handy, will buy a box if anyone's got 'em in small quantities. The 60s sounds like about the same speed as Remington subsonics, but a lot more weight for possibly better "anchoring" crows.

Ledbetter
February 24, 2003, 02:29 PM
For my .22's, the "high power" round of choice is a Stinger or Velocitor.

Zorro
February 25, 2003, 12:25 AM
CCI Stingers!

Robert inOregon
February 25, 2003, 02:15 AM
Hypervelocity rounds tend not to be as accurate as standard velocity. The gains are not worth much if it can't hit squat or the rifle begins to fail sooner.

I shoot an average of a brick (or two!) a day when out varminting. None of these wonder bullets has passed the test yet.

Greybeard
February 25, 2003, 09:06 AM
In absolute agreement with about slower rounds often being more accurate. I get great groups from Rem. Subsonics out of Marlin semi-auto carbine. Got circumstances where I sometimes need to minimize noise (neighbors working or lounging out in their back yard).

Also have a Marlin bolt gun and figure that the 60 grainers should not have the "crack" of the higher fps loads. And they might do a quicker put-down on crows than what the thirtysomething grain Remington Subsonics are doing. Just unsure of what type of accuracy to expect at 50 yards. One way to find out tho, huh? :D

Little ice storm has schools closed around DFW this morning and I suspect that business may be slow as well. Once the roads thaw out a little, I might just have to call CTD and see if they would bust a brick so I can answer my own question. :)

Edited to add: Nupe! Just turned on the TV to check forecast and saw all the crazies on ice. CTD and others can keep their ammo today!

gun-fucious
February 25, 2003, 09:33 PM
i have shot a few rounds of the Aguila SSS
its a sub sonic 60 grain bullet

its really a long projectile in a short case

you need the right barrel to stablize it

mine tends to key hole when launched my Romanian trainer

heres some pix and eval:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/tacticalbriefs/volume3/number2/article3.htm
http://guns.connect.fi/gow/QA5.html

priv8ter
February 25, 2003, 09:53 PM
I know that if you go over to www.naaminis.com you can find a lot of folks over there that will admit to using the 60gr subsonic round in their Mini .22's. Since you will never get max velocity out of such a short barrel, you might as well throw the heaviest piece of lead you can throw. Not sure about the groupings folks were getting.

Of course, I realize that's a bit off topic, but if you look, I know some folks admit to using the subsonics for some pest control applications.

Greybeard
February 25, 2003, 11:37 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. Some interesting stuff there. I've even got a NAA mini, but had not considered the 60s for it! FWIW, a couple of other comments found at http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103706&highlight=Aguila+SSS+Subsonic+Sniper+22LR

BTM
February 26, 2003, 07:21 AM
I'm going to second gun-fucious. 60 gr. SSS need a faster twist barrel to stabilize. My 10/22 fed them but key holed before 25 yards. I had a buddy who liked them for a while (squirrels) out of his Ruger 77/22VT. It has same twist, but the barrel is longer and stabilized them better. He switched due to longer range accruacy was not there in his gun.
With a faster twist barrel that round has potential to take .22LR to a new level.
I have heard some pistols shoot it well. Pistols generally have a faster barrel twist.
BTM

whiskey
February 26, 2003, 05:17 PM
My 4" Taurus 94 shots them o.k. Not great, but not bad. The Super Colibri is the most accurate short range in my pistol. CCI mini-mags are the best at 25 yards. I keep the 60gr SSS in a speedloader incase I get a shot at a possum or coon. I will report back when or if that happens.

Greybeard
February 26, 2003, 06:31 PM
Thanks BTM, Whiskey.

SquirrelNuts and I recently decided this and a related thread might best be carried over to Rifle Country.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10940

Y'all come. :)

CajunDaddy
October 18, 2005, 03:53 PM
Have been using them on cats, work great. Sounds like an air rifle. You can actually hear the bullet hit the target. Lots of fun in the back yard.

GunGoBoom
October 18, 2005, 04:51 PM
Aguila "Super Maximum": it chronos true to claimed vels, BUT gets a thumbs down due to being quite inaccurate in the guns I've tried (5" groups at 75 yards).

Aguila "Sniper SubSonic" 60 grainers: keyholes with the guns I've tried it in; the round was designed around a 1 in 9 twist (supposedly), yet 99% of the .22s are 1 in 12 twist, so it makes sense that it won't shoot well. But I currently have a Atchisson/Ceiner drop in conversion kit from Wilson Combat on its way (against the advice of many), specifically so that I can try the Aguila SSS in my AR with 1 in 9 twist. If it groups, then I will be putting in papers for a suppressor so that I can take out crow after crow after crow without them spooking.

Sharps Shooter
October 18, 2005, 06:03 PM
Keyholes have been my experience also with the Agulia "Sniper Subsonic" 60 grainers. I didn't know they were designed for a 1 in 9 twist, but that makes sense why they have not worked well in my Kimber.

dfaugh
October 19, 2005, 08:52 AM
Aguila "Sniper SubSonic" 60 grainers: keyholes with the guns I've tried it in; the round was designed around a 1 in 9 twist (supposedly), yet 99% of the .22s are 1 in 12 twist, so it makes sense that it won't shoot well. Interesting.

I bought a box of these, at a gun show, just for giggles...And they shoot very accurately out of my Marlin 60, almost as accurate as some of the match/target ammo I've shot through it. No idea what the twist rate is, but I've gotta believe its pretty standard...Know a couple other guys its shot well for, but just as many that it didn't, in a variety of guns.

Its not very quiet in that gun, but its a blowback semi, so there's lots of action noise.

The one thing it DOES do is drop like a stone. With the gun sighted to 1' high at 50 yrds., with 40 grn. standard velocity rounds, the Aguila will shoot 4-5" low....Haven't tried it at greater distance, but suspect a REAL rainbow trajectory involved for longer shots

belton-deer-hunter
October 19, 2005, 09:58 AM
not to lie i like shooting the 40 grain wichester super x it hits hard and actully if you shoot cheap stuff and stick one super x and the end of you clip it will clean a lot of the powder resedue out of your barrel for you

jmorris
October 19, 2005, 01:46 PM
.22 CB caps for non-lever repeaters (< 25 yards) makes less noise than an air rifle and Eley .22 subsonic for longer ranges and semiautos.

GunGoBoom
October 20, 2005, 08:34 PM
Update: Got my Atchisson/Ceiner conversion yesterday - dropped it right it - works as well as expected with funkily-shaped subsonic loads (Aguila SSS), and NO lubing of the unit beforehand. About 1 jam in 5 - most feed fine - sometimes a brass doesn't get thrown all the way clear, so it closes on the brass - I'm sure it will work fine with regular .22 ammo. Anyhow, results look promising - all shots touching at 5-6 yards in the house - with no keyholing - gentlemen, I think we have us a crow sniper. :D Now just need that suppressor.

hee hee - just realized I said "lubing of the unit." :)

mole
October 20, 2005, 10:11 PM
When I purchased my Ruger 10/22 many many moons ago,it came with a seperate card that bluntly stated NOT to use the stingers because they were longer than your "standard" .22lr.

mole

Sunray
October 22, 2005, 01:56 AM
Aquilla is Remington ammo made in Mexico.
"...they were longer than your "standard" .22lr..." Nonsense. Same case. Lighter bullet at a much higher velocity. However, they won't necessarily shoot well in your rifle. However, as with all 'hypervelocity' .22's you need to buy a box of each to see which one shoots best in your rifle, but none of 'em will hurt it. Ruger CYAing strikes again.

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