I carried the attached 645 when I was running 2 drug task forces. It has a set of Wolff springs. DA trigger is as slick as snot on a door knob. SA has absolutly no creep and breaks clean. It will feed anything, including empty brass. Great shooter.
September 29, 2004, 08:35 PM
OK babe, we are going way back for this one!
How about a very early Smith & Wesson model 39 9m/m with
the dust cover. Ever seen one? I didn't think so, but don't
worry as I haven't either.
Now that I got you attention, I will answer your question. The
best Smith & Wesson semi auto that I've ever owned
was a model 39-2 9m/m; and I have owned a bunch of them.
The most handsome of course, was a factory nickel version
with light walnut grip panels. It was just too darn pretty to
shoot! This weapons serial number was A222567, and its
whereabouts are unknown; but I would certainly welcome
it home! :cool: :uhoh: :D
* FootNote: the S&W 39-2 was the first 9m/m auto to see
service by a major police department; the Illinois State Police.
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
September 29, 2004, 08:45 PM
Favorite? That would be this 952 , well... this week anyway.
Sorta the great grand son of Ala Dan's model 39.
Trigger is very crisp. I think it would compare favorably with any other brand.
September 29, 2004, 09:03 PM
1076, trigger is ok and reliablity is great.
September 29, 2004, 09:03 PM
I'm partial to my only S&W semiauto...the vaunted and tank-like 1006 10mm.
September 29, 2004, 09:06 PM
September 29, 2004, 09:11 PM
I would have to agree with Jason Demond and say SIGMA...I personally
own a 5906,CS45D,410, and now recently the Sigma40VE. Frankly I really,
enjoy all of them, but the one that really marvels me is the Sigma. It is
just so simple to carry and use, and it is so durable, I pack mine everywhere I go and you can't hurt it!! I shoot mine as good as any
hangun I have ever qualified with. The trigger on mine is GREAT! I paid half
as much for it as I did my 5906 or the CS45D and it is fast becoming my
September 29, 2004, 09:33 PM
I love my 4003 TSW. Trigger pull is crisp and clean. The gun is 100% reliable with no malfunctions of any kind.
September 29, 2004, 09:42 PM
Have to agree on the 4003 TSW. Mine is my issued duty weapon and it has been 100% reliable. Smooth even trigger pull. The gun has been through a lot for three years now and it is by far the best issue duty weapon so far.
September 29, 2004, 10:04 PM
S&W 6946. Super accurate, smooth short trigger and fits my hand like a glove. Perfect for carrying concealed.
Yeah... barring the SW1911... I like the SW99... and the small single stacks... CS9 etc...
I'm not impressed with the accuracy of my father in laws 659... I can do at least twice as good with my Taurus PT99.
The 6946 a single or double stack? Looks like a nice size for carry...
September 29, 2004, 11:02 PM
Ala Dan wrote:
"FootNote: the S&W 39-2 was the first 9m/m auto to see
service by a major police department; the Illinois State Police."
I still have my original 39-2 that was issued to me. When we were going thru our Academy most of my class was getting NIB 39s. Since my name is near the end of the alphabet I was near the end of the issue line. About 3 or 4 ahead of me the range guys ran out of NIB 39s and started issuing retiree turn in 39s. I knew of the range officer from my trap shooting days. I was no where in the same league as him and figured he'd never know who I was. When he got to me he called my name and told the other range officer my 39 was on the second shelf. He pulled out a holster worn 39 and issued it to me. He said when the new 39s came in if I wanted to trade in for a new one that I could. However, he'd found a special one, looked it over a bit, and I should give the used one a try before making a decision to swap for a new one. First day at the range I realized what he meant by "looked it over a bit". The trigger was silky smooth and that 39 would shoot. I carried it for a few yrs until we transitioned to the 439. I bought that 39 back and still have it. It saved my bacon a couple of times. Sometimes I'll still drag it out to carry off duty just for old times. I won't part with it.
September 29, 2004, 11:07 PM
Might anyone have a pic of the Smith 39 they can post .. I cannot visualize this piece at all.
September 30, 2004, 07:14 AM
September 30, 2004, 07:53 AM
... with Glocks and SIG-Sauer pistols on the market most Smith & Wesson centerfire autos (standard production) just never appealed so much to me. Please don't misunderstand me, Smith autos certainly aren't bad sidearms. In fact, I think S&W autos are rather underrated pistols unfortunately. I don't exaggerate when I say I've handled virtually every single model made since 1990 and a couple of older models (M59, 459, 39, 745, 645) as well. The one I shot was a M4506 and it was an accurate, dependable gun. The one I also like is the similar M1006 in 10 mm Auto. Unfortunately, both are currently out of production.
The pistols I like most made by S&W today are the M41 rimfire models and some specialized Performance Center models in 9 mm Luger for target shooting, although it's not entirely fair to compare them to the standard production centerfire pistols.
The feature I hate on many of latest production Smith DA and DAO autos is the stupid (IMO) "standard equipment rail" that's permanently attached to the frame, even on the compact M3913TSW. :barf: They should have made this rail easily detachable.
September 30, 2004, 08:53 AM
Ah, thx isp ... looks like a true and venerable war horse.
Best for what? Concealed carry? Duty? Hunting? Plinking? Target? Collecting?
Having said that...my vote is the 1086.
September 30, 2004, 01:50 PM
The best I know of is my only S&W self-shucker; a Model 52 .38 Master. A superb single action trigger.
September 30, 2004, 02:08 PM
As far as the 1st through 3rd gen S&W semiautos, I like the Model 39, although "Ala Dan" characterizes this one in an earlier post to this thread better than I could. I met a guy once who was shooting his grandpa's late-70's vintage Model 39, and I had a turn with it, and I tried to buy it off him on the spot. Smart guy, wouldn't consider it, and I probably couldn't take his grandpa's gun ever if he would sell it.
For current S&Ws, my SW1911 adj. is my favorite.
September 30, 2004, 05:07 PM
I like the Sigma.
Trigger pull is a little heavy at around seven pounds. It has smoothed out over time, and is now quite nice.
Maybe I am just used to it.
Nomex not needed this time!! :D
I kinda like the Sigma as well!!
400 rounds, malfs zero!!
15+1 of 10mm kurz is kinda neat too!!
September 30, 2004, 06:26 PM
I'm actually partial to the 3913ST. Anyone have this gun that can speak to the trigger pull? I'm interested in how it compares to other guns.
The 3913 is one of the finest single stack compact DA/SA 9mm out there, but is often overlooked. If you can get your hands on one to try, I think you will like it. For a DA/SA gun the trigger pull is decent -- much better for example than a Beretta 92, or even a SIG 239 (for a similar class comparison), to my way of thinking.
However, I hate the "rail" on the tsw models. (I think that is the one you mean). I have one of the original 3913 models before they did this.
If I were in the market for one of these today, I would either try to find a nice used 3913, or go for the 3913LS, or the 908s (slightly less expensive version, but the same basic pistol).
November 27, 2004, 12:02 AM
S&W Performance Center 952.
It is one heck of a nice pistol. It's superbly accurate and has an excellent single action trigger. The 41 ounce weight contributes to the way that it handles recoil so smoothly. The 952 also utilizes a Briley spherical bushing. I bought it from Sporting Arms (http://www.sportingarms.com/results.asp?mfr_name=49&category_descr=0&subcategory_descr=0&max_price=&keyword_descr=952&B1=Submit&page_no=1) for $1089. It may seem a little pricey for a pistol, but not after shooting it and realizing that this one is a keeper. It compares favorably to the Sig P210, a couple of people that own both told me they liked the 952 better and it costs about $700 less than the Sig. Did I mention that it's accurate. :)
Next week I'm picking up a pair of PC1911s which will give the 952 some competition.
November 27, 2004, 03:35 AM
This is easy for me. Out of the 10 semi auto S&W's I own my favorite is the 4506. Man I love that model. :cool:
November 28, 2004, 11:33 AM
S&W's large-frame 3rd Gen autoloaders have always been my favorites: the 10XX-series and 45XX-series.
Once in a while when shooting my 1076 or 1006 at the range, I get comments from younger guys that these stainless steel S&Ws are way too heavy and, worse still, have that retro "80s" look - nothing like their much "cooler" homogenous black polymer Glocks, XDs or HKs. :rolleyes:
I just ignore 'em and smile, cause the giggling and sideways glances quickly stop when I touch off the first mag full of hot 10mm from the 1006 and they see the tight little group it makes on the target.
My choices are the rimfire M41 and the 9x19 M952-2. Both are single-action and both are excellent target pistols.
November 29, 2004, 03:10 PM
4506. reliable, built like a tank. Just works.
November 29, 2004, 07:03 PM
I have owned a 5904 in the past, and found it to be reliable as a ball peen hammer. Accuracy was so-so, but know more about handloading now, than I did 15 years ago. :)
Except for the Sigma, most folks with S&W autos seem to like them pretty well, once they get used to the safeties and general features.
My brother has a 745, the .45 ACP target model, and he is very pleased with it. I also like any of S&W's single action autos, such as the 952, 945, and the classic .22, the Model 41. I'd take a Colt 1911 over a SW1911, but it's still a good bet.
As plastic guns go, I have shot the SW99, and would easily take it over a Glock. For a small compact concealable semiauto, I think the 3913 is a fine bet, they have an excellent reputation.
The late models with model #'s like XX04 or XX06 are the ones with adjustable sights, and are probably a better bet for general informal target shooting.
November 29, 2004, 08:32 PM
Another vote for the 1006 :D
November 29, 2004, 09:17 PM
My vote goes to the 457. Or the SC-1911.
November 29, 2004, 10:50 PM
I shot one of the two PC1911s today. They both have the Koenig hammer. The Koenig hammer is just lighter and is designed to have less effect on your POI as compared to your POA, from the weight of the hammer falling. Mr. Koenig notices the difference.
What I learned from shooting this gun is that I'm not Mr. Koenig. ;f
The gun is a sweetheart though. The slide to frame fit is smoother than seal poop on an ice flow with absolutely zero side to side or up and down play. I like the high cut front strap and 30 lpi checkering. Together they make the gun feel like a Baer. The grips are nice, however the checkering on them isn't as sharp as I'm accustomed to.
I shot 200 rounds of Federal American Eagle ball ammo with the supplied Act-Mag and some Metalform 8 rounders. The gun worked perfectly until about round 175 when a round went about 3/4 of the way into the chamber, but not fully into battery. The remaining 25 rounds were perfect too.
I mostly shot for groups at 15 yards to get the sights dialed in for me. They came shooting a little left and a skosh high, which was simple enough to remedy with the high quality Wilson adjustable rear sight. I also ran 40 rounds of rapid fire and found the gun quick to recover with a very nice trigger reset.
I was a little crunched for time today so after the gun cooled I put it back in the FFL's safe without cleaning it or inspecting the gun's internals. :( Therefore my initial impressions were confined to exterior fit and finish and the bit of shooting I was able to do.
In a nutshell I came away very impressed with this pistol and can hardly wait to go back and shoot it some more. Next time I'd like to compare it to my Baer UM 1.5 and Springfield TGO 1, which are the two other adjustable sight 1911s I own. I think the PC1911 will compare very well.
November 29, 2004, 10:56 PM
My favorite Smith and Wesson is the big ole 1006. I like their 90's era large frame .45 autos as well.
November 29, 2004, 11:28 PM
Another vote for the Smith 645.
Old School! :cool:
November 30, 2004, 12:18 AM
December 1, 2004, 11:06 AM
1076, DA trigger pull is a little heavy but that can be fixed.
December 2, 2004, 10:22 AM
December 2, 2004, 05:28 PM
Well, we've had a 645, 745 and 945....I'll do my part for the family portrait and add my 845. Very tight, VERY accurate, excellent single action trigger. It's performed well in PPC matches.
December 2, 2004, 07:06 PM
I have the S&W 952, S&W 945, and the S&W 1911 (adj.). All have triggers that are short, light, and crisp. The triggers make it much easier for me to shoot the Smiths faster with more accuracy then the longer trigger pull of my 92FS.
December 2, 2004, 07:42 PM
December 2, 2004, 08:45 PM
My favorites are:
1) S&W model 41
December 2, 2004, 10:23 PM
I'll do my part for the family portrait and add my 845.
Huh! my brother has a 745. I never knew there was an 845. Ya learn something new every :D day
December 2, 2004, 11:15 PM
The 1911, 945, 45xxs and the 10xxs.
December 3, 2004, 04:26 PM
You will not find a better compact 9mm auto than the 3913TSW ...