We don't want to shield Iraqi army, say human shields (I laugh)


PDA






2dogs
February 23, 2003, 03:42 PM
some of the shields yesterday questioned Iraq's selection of the power plant, after discovering that it is situated next to an army base.

:D :D :D :D

Sorry, I just can't help but laugh.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/02/23/wshield23.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/02/23/ixworld.html/news/2003/02/23/wshield23.xml

We don't want to shield Iraqi army, say British
(Filed: 23/02/2003)


The first Western "human shields" will take up their places at strategic sites around Iraq today as dissent among them grows about the nature of the targets they are being asked to protect.

Fifteen volunteers from the first 200 shields are moving into a bunker at the South Baghdad Electricity Plant in an effort to deter attack by America and its allies. However some of the shields yesterday questioned Iraq's selection of the power plant, after discovering that it is situated next to an army base.

Since the shields' first visit to examine their new quarters, sandbags and unmanned check points had been erected around the plant. Asked about the neighbouring Rasheed military base, an Iraqi official said: "Don't worry, it is a small army camp."

The Iraqi government has drawn up a list of other sites that it wants shields to protect. These include water purification plants, communication centres, food stores, historic monuments and oil refineries.

Yesterday Iraqi officials gave way to pressure from disgruntled volunteers, and agreed to place some at the schools, hospitals and old people's homes where they had hoped to defend the civilian population against possible attack. Divisions between the volunteers and their Baghdad hosts had opened up during a meeting with Iraqi officials last Thursday. Rick Pruttwein, 28, from London, who runs summer camps for underprivileged children, told them he wanted to stay in an orphanage, capitalising on his work in Britain.

The officials, however, said that he could be better used at more strategically important targets. "There are maybe 40 or 50 children in the orphanage, which is in an area of maybe 200,000-300,000 civilians," said Abdul Razak Al Hashimi, president of the Organisation of Friendship, Peace and Solidarity in Iraq.

"If you go to a water purification plant instead, that will help many thousands more people - including children - to have clean water to drink. That is a priority. Every house in the area is under threat if the infrastructure is damaged."

One shield who has agreed to move into the bunker in the South Baghdad Electricity Plant is Godfrey Meynell, 68, a former high sheriff of Derbyshire and a veteran of the Colonial Office in Aden, south Yemen.

He has appealed to the RAF not to kill him. "I am an old man and they know I am here," he said. "If they bomb this site, they will be deliberately targeting me too."

The electricity plant has been rebuilt after being destroyed by four missiles during the Gulf war in 1991. One landed just yards from the heart of the complex, an area now converted into basic accommodation.

At present, Mr Meynell is staying in a hotel in Baghdad as a guest of the Iraqi government. For the foreseeable future, his group will live in the confined space of a dark and depressing dormitory, adorned by nylon drapes, brown velour curtains and a large framed portrait of Saddam Hussein dressed in military uniform. Steel, hospital-style beds line both walls.

Ube Evans, 50, a stagehand from Dublin, said that those staying in the plant would be relying on their own food and water supplies to survive in very basic living conditions.

"We are taking bottled water and some food with us," he said. "We hope to beg or borrow some cooking rings so that we can be as self-sufficient as possible.

"I imagine that we will take it in turns to go into the centre of town in order to have a shower, and that will happen every four to five days. We hope to spend the days liaising with the workers at the power plant and integrating with the local community by visiting schools and homes."

Yesterday, the volunteers who will move into the plant - who include Algerians, South Africans, Finns, Turks and two Russians from Siberia - painted a large sign bearing the human shield emblem on its roof, to alert fighter pilots to their presence.

If you enjoyed reading about "We don't want to shield Iraqi army, say human shields (I laugh)" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Sir Galahad
February 23, 2003, 03:50 PM
Best way to get these "Human shields" out of the way: spray soap and water at them. They'll run off in horror.

Hkmp5sd
February 23, 2003, 03:54 PM
I wonder what the life insurance companies have to say about these idiots purposely placing themselves in a position to be killed. Are they still covered?

I also wonder, after the first bombs start falling, how many of these idiots remain at their assigned positions vice heading for the hills. To prove their resolve, they should chain themselves to the target they are "protecting".

Sir Galahad
February 23, 2003, 04:12 PM
Oh, we'll see them all again. Begging for MREs from American troops because their Iraqi hosts didn't feed them. The females among them begging American troops for protection from gang rapes from Iraqi soldiers. The ones wounded by their own stupidity begging American troops for medical care. Begging for transport home.

Don Gwinn
February 23, 2003, 04:20 PM
These people don't honestly think anyone is going to call off a mission over them, do they? We shoot traitors. If you travel to an enemy and accept his help for the purpose of denying his targets to your military, you're a traitor. Traitors get hosed.

(Yes, yes, I know everyone will now come out of the woodwork with examples of times when it would be morally correct to be a "traitor." It's irrelevant. We're not talking about morality here, we're talking about the stupidity of expecting some attack planner to forego wasting an electric plant in order to save the life of a turncoat.)

Hkmp5sd
February 23, 2003, 04:34 PM
On the other hand, being a human shield would be an excellent cover for intelligence types that wanted some first hand information and maybe install a few transmitters at selected targets. Think the CIA has thought of that one?

Baba Louie
February 23, 2003, 04:40 PM
This morning on the news, did I hear correctly that Putin sent one of his top aides down to Baghdad to confer with Hussein and (ostensibly) see what was really up? And that said Russkie was living in one of Hussein's many palaces?

Chess on a grand scale. Guess which palace. Wrong one? Oops.

Your move Mr. President.

Nobodies are one thing. Collateral damage they call them. High ranking mucki-mucks... that could be an act of war.

Armeggedon, anyone?

Adios

BenW
February 23, 2003, 04:57 PM
Why are these people putting themselves between U.S. forces and Iraq? Where were they when Kurdish villages were being wiped out? Where were they when Iraq invaded Kuwait? I guess it's okay if Saddam kills innocent civilians, but us nasty Americans better not blow one power plant...:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but these people are not "brave defenders of life." If they were, they would be just as willing to put themselves between Iraq's army and civilians as they are to put themselves between U.S. forces and civilians. They know Saddam would laugh and blow them up with everyone else. The only thing these people are doing is endangering the lives of American soldiers, because our soldiers (to appease the politicians) will be told to be extra careful with these civilians in the area, thus creating a danger to themselves because they can't react to danger as they otherwise might.

KY Moose
February 23, 2003, 05:21 PM
I really don't feel that we should let these people back into the United States. The leader of the pack himself denounced his citizenship. Sounds like the middle east or France will make a good home for these Anti-Americans.
:cuss:

What the President needs to do is make an Executive Order that states anyone that plays human shield will not be covered by any US health or life insurance policy. Nor shall any human shield be entitled for disability, Social Security, or any compensation for injuries suffered while aiding and abetting an enemy of the United States or it's allies. It's not PC, but it needs to be done.

I do feel that if one of these Anti-Americans cause one of ours or our allies troops to get hurt or killed, then they should be held accountable for the deaths and injuries of any soldier. Put them on trial in court for treason and for causing the death and injury to service members. We still shoot traitors don't we?

One the other hand, I feel the human cannon fodder will serve a tactical advantage for us in the Iraq theater. When the satellites and pilots look down and see the cannon fodder massed around buildings and complexes, then we know there must be something inside worthy of a Tomahawk or laser guided 2,000 pounder. Hope there is enough of them spread out to mark all the worthy targets.
:evil:

I think these signs sum it all up.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021903/content/from.parcol2.0002.ImageFile.jpg

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021903/content/from.parcol1.0001.ImageFile.jpg

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021903/content/from.parcol2.0001.ImageFile.jpg

Greybeard
February 23, 2003, 05:37 PM
" ... painted a large sign bearing the human shield emblem on its roof, to alert fighter pilots to their presence."

And I'd bet that Rummy has also ordered that at least the first 800 cruise missles be reprogramed to recognize the emblem ...
:rolleyes:

Blackhawk
February 23, 2003, 06:43 PM
Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

Greg L
February 23, 2003, 06:56 PM
What's really sad/ironic is that there is a reasonably good chance that if the bombs don't get them (due to good laser designations on the army base next door) that SH will have them blown up somehow so that he can show their bodies on CNN and show the world the "effects of western imperialism".

Either way we should be worried about the plants in the Amazon jungle as these people will no longer be generating carbon dioxide for them. :evil:

Greg

DeputyVaughn
February 23, 2003, 07:07 PM
Human sheilds......hmmph....I bet a dozen human bodies would only barely slow down a cruise missle.

Scott

Navy joe
February 23, 2003, 07:46 PM
I'm all for people saying their piece if they oppose something, and yes sometimes peace protesting can be patriotic. Not these fools, they have moved right into the whole aid and comfort deal. G.W. got handed an open ended quagmire left by his dad and Bill Clinton. He is not starting something, he his just making a forceful exit strategy to a mess that has harrassed ordinary people in Iraq for 12 years and kept our military very busy. So...

I think we should deliberately target some of these yahoos, say we are going to do it, give them a chance to leave and then bomb them back to their own stoneage. Ought to preclude stupid crap like this in the future. As I've said before, If they sit on top of the strategic target they are target thermal signature enhancers, if they surround the target they are shrapnel dispersion inhibitors.

Dannyboy
February 23, 2003, 08:10 PM
What's gonna happen when these idiots get a few bombs dropped on them and they wet their pants, crying to go home? Like the Iraqis will let them leave. Serves them all right.

trapshooter
February 23, 2003, 09:50 PM
Yeah, whatever. Just as long as they got thier 'special' GPS units from 'The Sharper Image' :evil: before they left.:cool:

Zundfolge
February 23, 2003, 11:33 PM
Hmm ... we can destroy an Iraqi army base AND kill a few annoying commie peaceniks in the process?

This whole human shield thing just sounds like bonus points to me.

:evil:

jmbg29
February 24, 2003, 02:34 AM
This whole human shield thing just sounds like bonus points to me.Beautiful isn't it? :D :D :D :D

Destructo6
February 24, 2003, 01:36 PM
I'm with HKMP5SD, you could probably get some great intelligence by being posted near essential targets. Maybe even smuggle in a laser designator in disguise.

Leatherneck
February 24, 2003, 02:01 PM
painted a large sign bearing the human shield emblem on its roof, to alert fighter pilots to their presence.

"Uh. Roger Striker: that's 4 mils left and 7 mils long. Cleared hot." :evil:

TC
TFL Survivor

TheeBadOne
February 24, 2003, 02:14 PM
These people may reside on earth, but they don't live in the real world.

Ledbetter
February 24, 2003, 02:18 PM
Blissninnies. Thought they'd be put at orphanages and hospitals and old folks homes.:rolleyes:

How low an IQ can you have and still get on an airplane? This is beginning to look like Darwin Award central.

"Human Shields now hostages of Hussein" by October 2003, at the latest.:what:

Drjones
February 24, 2003, 02:25 PM
KY Moose nailed it EXACTLY with his entire post! Kudos, good sir!!! :D

Navyjoe:
I'm all for people saying their piece if they oppose something, and yes sometimes peace protesting can be patriotic.

Uh, no, not really.... : http://rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021903/content/across_the_fruited_plain_2.guest.html

" ... painted a large sign bearing the human shield emblem on its roof, to alert fighter pilots to their presence."

And I'd bet that Rummy has also ordered that at least the first 800 cruise missles be reprogramed to recognize the emblem ...


:D :D :D :D :D

I almost DIED when I read that!!! :D

raz-0
February 24, 2003, 03:51 PM
Well, the answer to what the insurance comapnies think about it is that they understand the nature fo war. Most life insurance policies have special clauses regarding death in the event of war, kind of like they have clauses about suicide.

Policies differ, but unless youa re paying a premium they mostly don't pay out or pay a greatly reduced sum in the even t of either.

And frankly, a stubborn lawyer could argue both caluses against paying out for quite some time.

Navy joe
February 25, 2003, 01:00 AM
So Jones, you're feeling pretty full of yourself. Why quote me out of context when I went on to say this is not one of those times and that I thought these particular protests were giving aid and comfort to the enemy? We in the military have a word for that, it's called treason. What Rush is saying and all he's saying is that it's not heroic to protest where there is freedom of speech because you run no risk of getting a bullet in the head for your trouble. He is not addressing patriotism or lack thereof.
If an American thought things through and felt that war was wrong and/or bad for themselves and the country they have a God given right to get out and say so. That's not heroic, but it is FREEDOM OF SPEECH! It is also a damn sight more patriotic than shutting up and blindly getting in line for whatever the power wielders want.
Our American government is founded on the principle that one must be free to possess and articulate a dissenting view. The will of the people as expressed through republican government. Sometimes a peace protest can be useful as it can alert our elected representative to exactly what the voting public thinks. Without dissenting or supporting views we are left with an emboldened executive who through various erosions of power checks/seperations holds the reins of military power ever tighter.
Please, think things through and derive some information and entertainment from Rush, just remember he ain't the only news source and he is first and foremost an entertainer.

Drjones
February 25, 2003, 01:57 AM
Navy joe:

I do apologise if I have offended you, as that was not my intent.

You are right: I did take that statement out of context, especially after reading your post again.

I just thought that article by Rush made a very good point, and I was anxious to post it here.

Again, it was not my attempt to flame or otherwise slam you.


Drjones

If you enjoyed reading about "We don't want to shield Iraqi army, say human shields (I laugh)" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!