The Sig family?


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P95Carry
September 30, 2004, 08:13 PM
I am totally - I mean totally out of touch with SIG's ... have shot one or two and in fact handled a 2000 I think it was at an IDPA shoot last weekend.

I am not in the least familiar tho with the designations and what they mean. I could I guess go find the SIG site but thought I'd ask here, not only to be edified on the breakdown of what is what but - to gather opinion as well from SIG owners. A SIG is I guess one of the few makes I have never owned but always seem to hear good things.

So .. how do the number designations break down??

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tc300mag1
September 30, 2004, 08:24 PM
www.sigarms.com

Sig classics are the non polymer guns while the sigpro are polymer

226 i think is a fullsize if i rember got a headcold.

229 series isconsidered a classic subcompact

P95Carry
September 30, 2004, 08:47 PM
Thx for link tc ... pretty obvious I guess! :rolleyes: :p

I'll go explore but - still more than interested to gather opinion within this one thread ... sorta consolidate if possible all I have heard in fragments elsewhere.

(Does this mean I just might be gonna get one? ... hmmm ... thinking ...... ):)

Warbow
September 30, 2004, 09:06 PM
ST = Stainless

DAO = Double Action Only (You probably knew that. :p)

DAK = Double Action Kellermann. There are two pulls with this trigger design. The first is a long pull which is fairly light (~6 lbs, I think), the second is a short but heavier pull (~8 lbs, I think). The shorter, heavier pull is to prevent short-stroking and is achieved when the trigger is not reset fully. Kellermann is the name of the guy who designed it. These will be hard to find since it seems most (if not all) SIG DAKs are going to government/LEO contracts.

Nitron = Finish that looks blued, but is more durable.

P210 = a full-sized 9mm, single-action with single column mags. Regarded as one of the most accurate stock pistols out there (very expensive, too :)).

P220 = a full-sized .45 ACP with single column mags. Was made in other chamberings and can be found if you look hard enough, such as the 9mm P220 with European style mag catch.

P225 = a compact 9mm with single column mags.

P226 = a full-sized 9mm, .357 SIG, or .40 S&W with double column mags. .357 SIG and .40 S&W P226s can swap between the two with barrel changes (same for other SIGs that come in both .357 SIG and .40 S&W).

P228 = a compact 9mm with double column mags.

P229 = same dimensions as P228, but also can be had in .357 SIG and .40 S&W, along with 9mm. Differentiated from the P228 by the half-height slide serrations.

P230 and P232 = sub-compact .380 ACPs with single column mags (I think a .32 ACP version used to be produced, too).

P239 = sub-compact 9mm, .357 SIG, and .40 S&W with single column mags.

P245 = compact .45 ACP with single column mags.

SIG Pro 2009 = full-sized 9mm with polymer frame and double column mags.

SIG Pro 2340 = full-sized .357 SIG and .40 S&W with polymer frame and double column mags.

Note that compact SIGs are usually a bit larger/bulkier than compacts of other brands. All are traditional DA/SA (except P210) unless noted as DAO or DAK.

SIG Pros are generally regarded by SIG enthusiasts as being very underrated and a very good deal because of their price.

That's just from the top of my head and in the most common chamberings, so some info may be missing or incorrect.

I only have a P228, but I love it. If I had more money I would have many more SIGs in various models. :)

Surefire
September 30, 2004, 09:13 PM
230, 239 personal size
225, 228, 229, 245 compact size
210, 220, 226 full size


In terms of caliber:

230: .380 acp
239: 9mm, .357 sig, or .40sw
225: 9mm
228: 9mm
229: 9mm, .357 sig, or .40sw
220: 45 acp
245: 45 acp
226: 9mm, .357 sig, or .40sw
210: 9mm

I don't know about their plastic line of pistols...

My personal preference is .45 acp Sigs (220 mostly), followed by 9mm Sigs (225, 226, 228, and 239).

P95Carry
September 30, 2004, 09:41 PM
Excellent guys . excellent and just what I need, thx a lot ..... it's hard work going thru their site when a layout like you have done does the job.

I have been interested in a 226 .. and I guess now ''LE only mags'' are kosha.

Serously gotta look into these guns a bit more.

MeekandMild
September 30, 2004, 09:41 PM
The Sig Pro has the most utterly perfect factory trigger I have ever shot. The only trouble with it is that it has a barrel set just a tiny bit too high as related to the grip so it has a vicious torque as compared to Glocks.

So somebody who can get used to the kick will like the trigger, but otherwise it is hard to shoot.

My 2 cents worth.

Edited to tell u084708 that my Pro is a .40, not a 9mm. Mrs. Meek won't shoot it at all.

u084708
September 30, 2004, 09:50 PM
My SigPro in 9mm (Sig 2009) is a delight to shoot, very accurate, lightweight (25 oz, I think), and has a great trigger and a good price (~$400). Check one out.

9mmepiphany
October 1, 2004, 05:58 AM
FWIW - just a little history

the 210 was originally issued to the swiss military during the time of the FN p-35 (browning hi-power)

the 220 was designed as a replacement for the 210 using modern folding/stamping technology. originally introduced in 9mm with the .45acp and .38 super added

the 225 was a compact 9mm designed to meet german LE contract specs (designated the p6, it competed with the walther p5 and hk p7).

the 226 was a full sized 9mm designed to compete in the US military XM-9 trials for the changeover from .45 to 9mm

the 230 was the .380 pocket pistol

the 228 was a cutdown/slimmed down 226

up until this time sigs were designed by the swiss and built by the germans. sig then opened a plant in america and thus began the changeover to the stainless forged slides

the 229 was the first and was origninally designed to handle the pressures of the .40 round...the .357sig and 9mm chambering came later

the stainless slide was added to the 226 along with the .357sig and .40

the 232 is the replacement for the 230

the 239 is the replacement for the 225

the 245 is a cutdown 220

FJC
October 1, 2004, 08:06 AM
There's also the "ST" designation that you'll find for the P220 and P226, making them the P220ST and P226ST. Those are all stainless-steel versions (stainless steel slides AND frames, instead of alloy frames). They are much heavier as a result, and many like them for that recoil-absorbing weight.

You'll also hear references to "stamped/folded" slides versus milled slides. The SIG classic pistols that come out of Germany generally have carbon steel slides that are made of a stamped/folded steel, with solid steel breech block inserts. You can usually identify these quickly by the hollow double roll pin on the side the slide (which holds in the breech block). Slides made in Exeter, NH, are CNC milled from stainless steel blocks, and don't have the removable breech blocks. The stainless steel ones are a bit heavier, but some feel they are more durable.

P95Carry
October 1, 2004, 09:24 AM
More thx due ....... just what I was after.:)

Newton
October 2, 2004, 12:31 AM
Don't forget the SiG Trailside in .22LR




Newton

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