Sig 220 ST


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Surefire
September 30, 2004, 08:52 PM
Who else has this model?

I just ordered my first. This pistol feels nice, and is absolutely gorgeous. I like the balance and weight much more so than the alloy framed Sigs. If given the choice, I think I'd buy strictly steel framed Sigs in the future (unfortunately, only the 226ST and 220ST offer steel frames at the moment).

Anyone else that owns the 220 ST really like it much?

I'll post results after I shoot it the first time.

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PinnedAndRecessed
September 30, 2004, 09:19 PM
I've never owned the 220 ST but I plan to after I return from a business/pleasure trip I've got to make.

I've owned the standard 220, 226 and 230. The 220 was as accurate as my completely tricked out 1911, and the 220 was stock.

Sig cannot be beat. And I looked (drooled) at one last week. The heft feels great. The ergonomics are the best I ever seen. And the grip feels like lambskin.

Yes, Lord willing, I intend to own one a.s.a.p.

Let me know how she shoots. I reload, but intend to buy 500 rounds Wolf ammo just to break it in.

BTW, the best I can find locally is $725. May I ask how much your is?

Surefire
September 30, 2004, 09:32 PM
I overpaid, no doubt about it (around $800 before taxes and DROS). However, with all the anti-gun regulations in this state (including mandatory trigger locks and/or proving you have a safe), its been several years since I've found a deal as good as neighboring states. I actually received quotes as high as $950 for the 220 ST from some gun stores, so considering the price of them around here (and the apparent scarcity) I don't mind overpaying to get a model I always wanted.

Benjamin
October 1, 2004, 12:30 AM
P&R - davidson's has the dealer price @
Your Price: $701.00
Sugg. Retail Price: $861.00

PinnedAndRecessed
October 1, 2004, 01:00 AM
You said, "davidson's has the dealer price .."

I don't understand what that means. You mean I should pay no more than $701?

NapaWino
October 1, 2004, 01:57 AM
I love this pistol. I have had no problems with this pistol and it feeds and fires everything I have tried in it. I just got it back form the SIG Custom Shop. I had the Action Enhancement Package and the barrel re-crowned to 11 degrees. The single action trigger is smooth, with no stacking. The double action has to be tried to believe how smooth it is. SIG's Custom Shop is the greatest. They received the gun on September 13th and I got it back on September 30th. The work they did made a great pistol even better.
Thanks,
Fred

45R
October 1, 2004, 02:04 AM
My Sig 220ST is my favorite .45ACP pistol. The trigger is fantastic and the lock up is excellent! Great pistol!!!!! I am hooked on the Sig ST series pistols!

PinnedAndRecessed
October 1, 2004, 02:42 AM
Napa: how much was the custom work? Is it a standard "custom" package?

FJC
October 1, 2004, 08:11 AM
I have a P220ST and love it. I did run into an extractor issue, and sent it back for warranty work - took advantage of SIG picking up the shipping to have them also do an action/trigger job on it, put on a fiber optic front sight, and also do an 11 degree crown on the barrel. They did a fantastic job improving an already great trigger (in fact I had specified they only do the action job if they thought they could improve it, as it already had the best DA/SA trigger I've felt - well they DID improve it!).

A few pictures, starting with the crown job (P220 Two tone with standard barrel crown on the left, P220ST with 11 degree crown on right):
http://www.condron.com/pics/sig/p220_crown_4040.jpg

And some general pics of the P220ST:
http://www.condron.com/pics/sig/P220ST/p220st_4033.jpg
http://www.condron.com/pics/sig/p220st-2.JPG

bigmike45
October 1, 2004, 09:06 AM
I have one and IMHO it is the finest handgun made today.

Benjamin
October 1, 2004, 03:04 PM
Sorry, did a straight cut & paste.

The dealer paid about $700 for the pistol itself new, plus $30 for UPS/Fed Ex.

$725 is a very good price. If it's a used gun in good shape, it's probably reasonable, since there aren't many ST's out yet.

cookekdjr
October 1, 2004, 05:47 PM
Who else has this gun?
This guy:

"At the 2003 IDPA Nationals Ernest Langdon captured the “House of 1911” by taking a double-action SIG SAUER P220 Stainless and defeating the best names in shooting sports and their custom-built 1911s. They said it couldn’t be done. They were wrong." [from the sigarms website]

If you have this gun, you are in good company. I'm envious.

David

rjcardinal
October 2, 2004, 01:27 PM
I have the 220ST also. Its the finest pistol I own. Super accurate and so far 100% reliable with any ammo I feed it. Oh and its beautiful especially since I added some Houge Pau Ferro wood grips.

Ron

BamBam-31
October 2, 2004, 02:16 PM
My 220 ST is my most accurate gun. Tight as a bank vault. I believe I purchased mine for less than $700, but it was a couple of years ago, and mine has the old rail (:( ). Still, it is insanely accurate, and I have put a deposit down for a 226 ST because of it. That's how much I liked my 220 ST.

Surefire
October 2, 2004, 02:22 PM
I'm thinking of getting the 226ST as well in the future.....in 9mm. Anyone have the 226ST in 9mm and can share their experiences?

NapaWino
October 2, 2004, 02:44 PM
The cost of the Action Enhancement package was $120 and the re-crowning of the barrel was $20. The shipping was $25. Go to www.sigarms.com and then click on Custom Shop for a breakdown of what they do and the cost.
"The purpose of barrel crowning is to allow the uniform expansion of the gasses propelling the bullet. It is most often seen on rifle barrels. The goal is to create a smooth transition surface at the rifling free of nicks which would destablize the bullet. By recessing the transition zone, it is providing additonal protection. I can't explain why the crown is 11 degrees, but it is used for most applications." ( Quote from Hypersonic)

Thanks,
Fred

BamBam-31
October 2, 2004, 02:58 PM
One thing about the 226 ST (that you probably already know): They're kinda scarce right now, and priced accordingly. Not impossible to get, but demand still outweighs supply. I'll be getting mine in a couple of weeks, I'll post feedback then.

Wolfy
October 2, 2004, 08:52 PM
Wino what is the beneifit of having the 11 degree crown? A general 220 question. Which rail accept Surefire lights the new rail or the old rail?

NapaWino
October 2, 2004, 09:59 PM
The lights fit the newer rail. You can buy an adapter from SIG that will change the old rail to the new rail size.
Fred

Col. Mustard
October 2, 2004, 10:23 PM
(unfortunately, only the 226ST and 220ST offer steel frames at the moment).

Not quite. I've got a 232SL to go with my 220ST (I've got a 228 and 220 in alloy also). I generally carry the 220 alloy model because it's lighter, but the feel of the ST is awesome.

45R
October 3, 2004, 03:49 PM
Hey Napa good to see you come over from Sig Forum. Welcome to THR!!

wardog
October 4, 2004, 12:51 AM
I've had my P220 ST for about 3 or 4 months now and love it. Solid as a rock and feels like it will last through several lifetimes of hard use. Functions 100% right out of the box with no hassles.

There's just something satisfying about an all steel autoloader, especially when it's a Sig!

agony
October 4, 2004, 02:26 AM
My old-rail 220ST has been in my possession for two years, and I'm still enamoured with it. I've put countless thousands of rounds through it without any issues, and it is by far the most accurate of all of my dozen SIGs. I was fortunate enough to trade a Beretta 92 Inox for it, NIB.
I replaced the rear sight with an adjustable, switch springs depending on the power levels of my ammo, and replaced the mainspring to a lighter one in order to slightly decrease the DA pull.

CZ52GUY
October 4, 2004, 06:28 PM
...okay, okay...with Trade-in...had some Glock NDF "high caps" in June...got $45 each...applied to my USED P220ST...I paid $175 out of pocket.

Why this shop refuses to clean used pistols before putting a tag on them I'll never know. Cleaned up real nice and it's a shooter. I compete in IDPA and the Sig' beat out my 1911 as my CDP gun. I'll give it its first "official outing" in a couple of weeks.

I would note that for those that do compete with the P220ST, the Novak mag's (popular for their ~$20 price tag) did not drop-free in my P220ST. The factory 8 rounders do. No problems feeding with the Novak's, they just won't drop on their own during rapid reload drills.

Safe shooting,

CZ52'

agony
October 4, 2004, 10:00 PM
Wonder if your Novak mags are a bit out of spec...I use eight 8-round Novak mags in nickel and blue and they all drop free and function flawlessly. I even have a dozen or so factory ss mags that I don't bother using anymore for comp, because they don't load the 8th round as easily as the Novak.

cslinger
October 4, 2004, 10:09 PM
Old rail 220ST checkinging in.

My absolute, bar none, favorite autopistol ever. Never malfunctioned, never missed a beat. I use both factory magazine and the Novaks and both function perfectly.

SIG REX as far as I am concerned.

Chris

WJR
October 4, 2004, 10:32 PM
My 220ST and my Custom Colt 1991 are neck and neck as my favorite .45.

My 226ST is bar none my favorite 9mm.

WJR

CZ52GUY
October 5, 2004, 07:40 AM
Interesting...if I've learned anything from THR, it's that our experiences with any combination of products used will invariably vary from time to time.

Safe shooting,

CZ52'

ThreadKiller
October 6, 2004, 12:45 PM
Don't know that I can add anything to this continuing testimony to the great 220 other than the fact I've got two of 'em.

I like the ST for pure shootin' but the 220R balances better in my hand. If we could carry legally here, the "R" would get the call.

Tim

at-home-daddy
October 6, 2004, 05:43 PM
They look really nice with wood grips, too.
http://home.att.net/~clinton65b/site1.jpg
(Hogue Kingwood checkered)

Surefire
October 6, 2004, 09:33 PM
Nice. I got to get me some wood grips for my 220 ST.

Surefire
October 8, 2004, 06:52 PM
Is the Langdom edition ever going to be submitted for California market? (i.e. "safe list" test)??

WJR
October 9, 2004, 08:02 PM
at-home-daddy,

Your 220ST looks good with the Hogues!!

WJR

CZ52GUY
October 10, 2004, 07:24 AM
Tried the Novak's again in my P220ST and they dropped out just fine...maybe there was just a fluke that one day...after not dropping, I had pulled them out of the rotation. Yesterday, they were just a solid as the factory mag's.

Safe shooting,

CZ52'

lunde
October 10, 2004, 12:03 PM
I have a few P220ST photos to share:

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/p220st-left-full.jpg

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/p220st-left.jpg

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/p220st-right-full.jpg

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/p220st-right.jpg

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/p220st-flat.jpg

WJR
October 10, 2004, 12:17 PM
Dr. Lunde,

Fantastic pics of your 220ST. Which night sights do you prefer? I particularly am switching out my front sights to night sights and leaving the rear sight stock.

Thanks,

WJR

lunde
October 10, 2004, 12:23 PM
I prefer SIGLITE night sights. Why? I honestly don't like the white outlines on the other night sight brands. In fact, when I sent my Colt Delta Elite slide to Tooltech a couple weeks ago, for Trijicon night sight installation into its all-black Novak's sights, I chose yellow rear dots and no white outline. In daylight, I ignore white anything and form a bar-notch sight picture.

WJR
October 10, 2004, 01:47 PM
Interesting. Thanks for the information, you have given me something new to ponder over.

WJR

Surefire
October 10, 2004, 03:22 PM
Tomorrow is the big day. (pick up day). I'm really excited.

Surefire
October 11, 2004, 06:59 PM
Picked the 220ST up. Didn't have time to shoot it today.

Excellent balance, trigger, and ergonomics.


The recoil spring ways a ton....I have to pull back with three times the muscle more than normal (vs. my other Sigs). Is this common on a 220ST?

Overall, so far I am happy with the purchase. Down the road, I think I'd like to get a 226 ST as well.....


Oh, and I think I have the old assessory rail.

Eagle1
October 11, 2004, 09:23 PM
Surefire,

My P220ST has a real tough spring in it also. It is harder to pull back than my other Sigs. I did have my slide Nitron coated by Sig. It looks real cool, almost like a Langdon model. I love my Sig 220St. I did think about selling it awhile back, but have since put that to rest!!!:D

Surefire
October 12, 2004, 12:43 AM
Another observation, the rubber grip is fantastic. I wish that ALL Sigs came with this grip style.

Marshall
October 12, 2004, 01:19 AM
I'm going to have to go buy a damn Sig just so I can join in these discussions! Think I'll make it a pretty silver one! :D

WJR
October 12, 2004, 04:47 PM
The recoil spring in my 220ST is also stiffer than my other Sigs.

Definitely get a 226ST down the road, they are very nice as well.

Went to the range last night with my 226ST and 220ST and had a great relaxing evening.

WJR

Surefire
October 12, 2004, 07:35 PM
Does the 226 ST also have that nice rubber grip?


I bet when I take my 220ST out and shoot it that it will recoil softly. 40 ounce weight plus very soft grips should make it a pleasure to shoot.

WJR
October 12, 2004, 10:09 PM
The 226ST has the stippled plastic grips.

WJR

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