Barret takes a stand against **********


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dustind
October 1, 2004, 02:24 AM
I got this from www.awbansunset.com

December 11, 2002
Via Facsimile (213) 847-0676 and
U.S. Mail

Chief William J. Bratton
Los Angeles Police Department
150 North Los Angeles Street
Los Angeles, California 90012

Re: LAPD 82A1 Rifle, Serial No. 1186

Point of Contact: Jim xxxxx
213-xxx-xxxx


Dear Chief Bratton,

I, a U.S. citizen, own Barrett Firearms Mfg. Inc., and for 20 years, I have built .50 caliber rifles for my fellow citizens, for their Law Enforcement departments and for their nation’s armed forces.

You may be aware of the latest negative misinformation campaign from a Washington based anti-gun group, the Violence Policy Center. The VPC has, for three or so years, been unsuccessful in Washington, D.C. trying to demonize and ban a new subclass of firearms, the .50 caliber and other “too powerful” rifles. This type of nibbling process has been historically successful in civilian disarmament of other nations governed by totalitarian and other regimes less tolerant of individual rights than the United States.

The VPC’s most recent efforts directs this misinformation campaign at your state, attempting to get any California body to pass any law against .50 caliber firearms. In March 2002, the VPC caused the California State Assembly, Public Safety Committee to consider and reject the issue by a 5 to 0 with 1 abstaining vote.

Regrettably, the same material has been presented to your city council. I personally attended the council meeting in Los Angeles regarding attempts to ban ownership of the .50 caliber rifle in your city. I was allowed to briefly address the council. The tone of the discussion was mostly emotionally based, so the facts that I attempted to provide were ineffective to the extent they were heard at all. The council voted to have the city attorney draft an ordinance to ban the .50, and further, to instruct the city’s representatives in Sacrament and in Washington, D.C. to push for bans at their respective levels.

At that council meeting, I was very surprised to see an LAPD officer seated front and center with a Barrett 82A1 .50 cal. Rifle. It was the centerpiece of the discussion. As you know, there have been no crimes committed with these rifles, and most importantly, current California law does not allow the sale of the M82A1 in the state because of its detachable magazine and features that make it an “assault weapon.” This rifle was being deceptively used by your department. The officer portrayed it as a sample of a currently available .50 cal rifle, available for sale to the civilians of Los Angeles. One councilman even questioned how this rifle was available under current laws, but as I stated, facts were ineffective that day.

Your officer, speaking for the LAPD, endorsed the banning of this rifle and its ammunition. Then he used the rifle for photo ops with the Councilmen, each of whom, in handling the firearm, may have been committing a felony. I was amazed.

Since 1968, with the closing of the U.S. Springfield Armory, all of the small arms produced for the various government agencies are from the private sector. Every handgun, rifle or shotgun that law enforcement needs comes from this firearms industry. Unless the City of Los Angeles has plans of setting up its own firearms manufacturing, it may need to guard the manufacturing sources it has now.

When I returned to my office from Los Angeles, I found an example of our need for mutual cooperation. Your department had sent one of your 82A1 rifles in to us for service. All of my knowledge in the use of my rifle in the field of law enforcement had been turned upside down by witnessing how your department used yours. Not to protect and serve, but for deception, photo opportunities, and to further an ill-conceived effort that may result in the use of LA taxpayer monies to wage losing political battles in Washington against civil liberties regarding gun ownership.

Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for. I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individual to own firearms.

I implore you to investigate the facts of the .50, to consider the liberties of the law-abiding people and our mutual coexistence, and to change your department’s position on this issue.

Sincerely,
BARRETT FIREARMS MANUFACTURING, INC.

Ronnie G. Barrett
President

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sekdar
October 1, 2004, 02:31 AM
awesome. we can only hope this has some effect...

cracked butt
October 1, 2004, 02:34 AM
I hope Mr. Barret pounds and welds a steel rod in the barrel, cuts the receiver halfway through, then sends it back to the LAPD with a note saying "I took the license to make your rifle legal in the state of California."

I wish I had the money to buy a Barrett because he is one of the few gun makers that has shown the spine not to sell out.

PMDW
October 1, 2004, 02:34 AM
Yeah, saw this a while ago. Posted it here a few times.

Ronnie Barrett = on my good list.

dustind
October 1, 2004, 02:58 AM
Oh, whoops, sorry if this is a duplicate. I did not see any similar thread titles.

Because of the California state ban and Mr. Barret and a few other .50 cal manufacturers standing up to the antis, I will try to buy a rifle from them later on.

reagansquad
October 1, 2004, 03:00 AM
Imagine if all gun companies stopped selling to LEOs and even National guard from states with restrictive and borderline illegal gun laws. It would be amazing.

PMDW
October 1, 2004, 03:04 AM
Oh, whoops, sorry if this is a duplicate. I did not see any similar thread titles.

Naa, it was in some thread. No big deal.

Imagine if all gun companies stopped selling to LEOs and even National guard from states with restrictive and borderline illegal gun laws. It would be amazing.

That is how I plan on running my company.

cracked butt
October 1, 2004, 03:43 AM
Imagine if all gun companies stopped selling to LEOs and even National guard from states with restrictive and borderline illegal gun laws. It would be amazing.

The downside might be that government confiscates such facilities or nulls the patents of the gunmakers in the name of "national security." that would be a very interesting scenario though.

Byron Quick
October 1, 2004, 05:04 AM
that would be a very interesting scenario though.

Interesting in the meaning of the old Chinese curse:"May you live in interesting times."

cracked butt
October 1, 2004, 05:50 AM
exactly:eek:

Deavis
October 1, 2004, 07:22 AM
If only Glock would do something like that, it would really cause a serious shake-up. I saw a Glock, I can't remember which one, speak at a CCRKBA event and he was pretty emphatic that they wouldn't knuckle under to the UN small arms treaty that is being drafted. Maybe I'll write their marketing people a letter and suggest that they start practicing on say, Mass? :)

R.H. Lee
October 1, 2004, 10:22 AM
LAPD has no business with, need for, and cannot be trusted with a .50 IMO.

cslinger
October 1, 2004, 10:35 AM
I have no use what-so-ever for a .50 caliber rifle.
I have no place to shoot a .50 caliber rifle.
I have no money to purchase a .50 caliber rifle.

I will either be ordering a shirt or simply sending ten of fifteen dollars to Mr. Barrett later today to show my support for him. It is people like that that deserve our support even if we cannot afford his product or we have no use for his product. Just like the O/U shotgun crowd should be fighting for us we need to support Mr. Barret.

I would humbly suggest all of us do the same. Ten bucks is a box of .45 and althought it is not much I bet it will show Mr. Barrett that we support him.

If you would like I would be happy to take up a collection and send it on behalf of all of us, unless this goes against the spirit of THR or breaks any rules. Otherwise I will be sending my own small donation.

Chris

Bubbles
October 1, 2004, 10:35 AM
Imagine if all gun companies stopped selling to LEOs and even National guard from states with restrictive and borderline illegal gun laws.

I brought up this point at the Gun Rights Policy Conference last weekend. Apparently there's a Federal Law (anti-trust?) preventing industries from engaging in this sort of "collective" activity as a whole by the industry; that is, they can't talk amongst themselves about refusing to do business with certain cities or states.

I doubt, though, that there's any law that prevents them from individually deciding not to deal with certain customers. Perhaps a letter-writing campaign from us to the CEO's of these businesses is in order?

jpIII
October 1, 2004, 10:36 AM
I just sent Mr. Barrett a note herehttp://www.barrettrifles.com/contact.htm (http://)

I highly recommend others do the same.:D

mpthole
October 1, 2004, 10:38 AM
Yep, all good news and I'm glad that Barrett took a stand. That was almost two years ago though. Kind of looking for something new out of them to re-affirm their position.

I already own a Barrett and would buy another one if I had the funds. Maybe I can get a t-shirt at Knob Creek. ;)

geekWithA.45
October 1, 2004, 10:46 AM
Um...this is ancient news.

Check the date on the letter.


What is news is a conversation I had with __________, a Barrett sales woman as I was trying to find a vendor for the M468 upper.

Me: "...and just for the record, I want you to know that we gunnies of America are very aware of the fact that Ronnie Barrett has our back, and is standing up for us. That's one of the reasons I'm spending a bit more than I've got for a rifle I don't really need. He's got out back, and we'll cover his."


Her: "Why thank you! We've been getting a lot of orders, emails, and letters of support, especially since that crap in California."

Me: "Actually, if Barrett were to get behind some of the alternate giant .50 cal rounds that are being discussed, well, that'd just be awesome. I hear they're calling if the .50 FUCA.

Her: {chuckling} "Well, there's something in the works, going on. I can't say much, other than to say that almost definately, something like that will be happening.

Me: "Really?"

Her: "Really."

Well, I don't know if she was having me on, but I do know that M468 uppers will be shipping in 4 weeks, and I've still got to find a local vendor.

Henry Bowman
October 1, 2004, 11:05 AM
Yes, the letter is very old. I have no doubt, however, that he will stick to it and would like to see a new, post California .50BMG ban letter or statement.

Geek, when did you have your conversation?

George S.
October 1, 2004, 11:10 AM
While Mr. Barrett's letter to the Chief of the LAPD presents an excellent argument, I wouldn't be suprised to find that CA state laws may allow the possession of certain weapons by law enforcement organizations even though the citizens of CA may not legally have them.

I would bet that the LAPD SWAT teams have access to a variety of assault rifles for use in situations requireing a fair amount of firepower on their part. The .50 caliber rifle may be one of them and would most likely be used in a sniper situation.

El Rojo
October 1, 2004, 11:37 AM
Please let there be a .50 FUCA! Please let there be a .50 FUCA!

zahc
October 1, 2004, 11:44 AM
This is awesome. If the whole gun industry had such principles it'd be a 1000 times better than a hundred nras

Please let there be a .50 FUCA! Please let there be a .50 FUCA!

LOL:D

geekWithA.45
October 1, 2004, 11:52 AM
The conversation was last Tuesday afternoon, 9/28/2004.

Henry Bowman
October 1, 2004, 12:12 PM
Geek - Excellect! And I really doubt that she was shining you on. But expect factory .50FUCA rounds to cost $10 each!

George - That is the point. The LEOs are allowed to have them -- and then use then as props to subvert the Constitution. Barrett doesn't want to facilitate their reprehensable behavior.

I, too, have no place to shoot a .50 nor the spare cash to feed one if I owned one and had a place to shoot it. But, man, I want one (a Barrett .50BMG), bad! :evil: Note to self: Order a Barrett hat and T-shirt.

PMDW
October 1, 2004, 12:13 PM
While Mr. Barrett's letter to the Chief of the LAPD presents an excellent argument, I wouldn't be suprised to find that CA state laws may allow the possession of certain weapons by law enforcement organizations even though the citizens of CA may not legally have them.

I would be very much suprised if that were not the case. I've yet to see a gun control law that restricts governments from owning firearms.

tyme
October 1, 2004, 03:48 PM
Barrett should develop a .50 FUCA rifle or three and still refuse to sell or provide service to public agencies in California.

Harry Tuttle
October 1, 2004, 05:21 PM
a birdie told me that most of the 50bmg makers are prepping 50bmg recievers to meet the new CA cut off date

Standing Wolf
October 1, 2004, 05:40 PM
It's good to know there's at least one firearms manufacturer with guts.

The Grand Inquisitor
October 1, 2004, 06:09 PM
Right on Mr. Barrett!!

I think anyone who is serious about their right to own firearms should stand up and either send an email to Barrett and thank them for their courage, order something from them (shirt...ect), send them a donation, or, if you can afford it, BUT one of their rifles.

Right now we are watching the firearms world split into two camps, let Colt and Ruger rot with their police contracts, WE, the civilian market of informed firearms enthusiasts, will let them die in our hearts.

Black Snowman
October 1, 2004, 06:41 PM
One day I'll break down and get that Mod 82 I've always wanted since I first saw one in '92.

Molon Labe
October 2, 2004, 02:15 PM
I, too, have no place to shoot a .50 nor the spare cash to feed one if I owned one and had a place to shoot it. But, man, I want one (a Barrett .50BMG), bad! <<...OLE_Obj...>> Note to self: Order a Barrett hat and T-shirt.Henry Bowman: I have a .50 BMG (Serbu .50 BFG) and land to shoot it on. Are you in Cincinnati? If so, you're only about 1.5 hours south of me. You're welcome to come up and shoot it any time. Email me at magcraft@main-net.com

ML

Henry Bowman
October 2, 2004, 04:50 PM
Thanks for the invite! I really appreciate the offer and hope I can find the time to take you up on it.

Black92LX
October 3, 2004, 07:13 PM
Any suggestions on the best way for a college student to get the money to buy a Barrett??

:D

any ideas how to route my student loans:evil:

PromptCritical
October 4, 2004, 02:58 AM
Hey, Molon Labe,

How's that BFG? I am seriously thinking about getting one.

Does yours say "Have a nice day" around the muzzle?

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