[BEARMAN]

A comment was made in one of the posts on REMINGTON 870's that one of the only big changes to the 870 was the addition of the LOCKABLE SAFETY and the discontinuing of the lockable safety. What gives, didn't it work, why was is discontinued? It's just one of those things that makes you go HMMMMM?

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Thank Goodness that PC / Solution to an non- existent problem is being stopped.

I've not seen any newer models with the OPRT removed. I know many folks including myself PROVED that J Hook was UNSAFE many a time. In the blink of an eye I can make that gun un-usable without using a tool, using my fingers I can lock your gun up and unless you have a tool....you ain't gonna fire it!!!

My Olive Pit Removal Tools all "fell off" and the old original ones "just appeared" on my guns. :D

Thank you again to a special person whom assisted with this btw....;)

4 rules always. Gun MUST be reliable - that OPRT was NOT condusive to reliability in a gun for Defence. Personally I don't want stuff on a gun that is NOT reliable - I don't put stuff on one - I darn sure don't appreciate MFGs sticking stuff on one.

I've shot too many guns without a safety period - and NEVER had a problem in thousands of rds. I hate PC, politics, and persons trying to "protect me".

BTW - yes it was legal to compete without safeties , one informed Club, Ref, RO /SO just as one would do with a Release trigger. When I hunted with one- I informed persons I hunted with as well...

[Sulaco]

I did not know they were getting rid of them either. I am glad they are. I luckily do not own any Remington products now except for a Police model 870 and they never came with the J-Lock mechanism.

[PJR]

This now brings current Remington production back on to the list of guns to be considered. I won't buy one with the J-lock.

Recently a guy at our club was fiddling with the J-lock on his 870, action closed and barrel pointed at the mid section of your humble correspondent.:what:

When I asked him nicely (really nicely) not to point his gun at me he noted that the gun was locked and he had to unlock it before he could shoot. The conservation became somewhat one-sided and not as nice as I explained that I didn't care about anything other than where his barrel was pointed.

I know it was the shooter's fault but without that J-lock none of this would have happened. Good riddance.

Paul

[ruger357]

Never had a problem with the lock on my Wingmaster.

[riverdog]

I've never had a problem with the safeties on any of my WingMasters either -- 'course they're all 20+ years old and didn't come with locks and that's never been a problem ;) The locks were a lawyer solution to a non-issue.

[RKCheung]

FWIW, I bought a new 870 express about two months ago and it still had the J-lock safety. I don't like it, but I haven't had any problems with it.

[MrTuffPaws]

I just brought home an 870 Express Youth 20ga. It has the j-lock on it.

I personally don't see the fuss. If you don't lock it, it works the exact same as a normal safety. Also, here in CA, were you have to either have an approved gun safe or buy a lock with each gun purchase, it saved me $10 (cost of a lock) on the cost of the gun.

[Domino]

Also, here in CA, were you have to either have an approved gun safe or buy a lock with each gun purchase, it saved me $10 (cost of a lock) on the cost of the gun.
Gun Safe? How in the world do they regulate such stupidity? Do you have to show your FFL your safe before they can hand over your firearm? CA is a lost cause, the current legislation is nothing less than stepping stones to complete registration that will lead to eventual illegalization. Just keep your little gun locks in your own state.

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For folks with the J - Hook safety - I STRONGLY advise you replace it.

Granted the shotgun at this time may only be a hunting or target gun. ANY Firearm can be used for defence! Not to mention i6 sucks to miss a bird or game bird because a safety was improperly used. Sucks to be afield - gun locks up - and no tool.

IMO that J Hook can cause serious harm or death , especially if used for defence.

I'm not the only one , including folks on this forum - that have in a split second , without any tools "locked " that J Hook . If you don't have the Tool - you cannot , "unlock" it. Goes for rifles too with that J hooK .


I do no use oversize safeties either. There is a place for them , not for the majority of folks. Too easy to knock safety off, not to mention the way it bangs against the shooting hand in recoil.

If you cannot find a factory replacement , Have you gunsmith order the VANG and then "turn it down " on a lathe. I mean not only how thick it is - but the diameter as well. My buddy turns these down puts the circle design , back on and re- blues ....looks like the Old Original Safety ...if anything , he might leave a "tad" larger in diameter.....but I don't want , he don't want , and many others....we don't want "thick" protruding safety. The Vang is good metal , workable and finishes out nice with blue....

I don't do Wilsons- for anything.

[MrTuffPaws]

Gun Safe? How in the world do they regulate such stupidity?

You state the make and the SN. They check it with the back ground check I assume.

[MrTuffPaws]

I'm not the only one , including folks on this forum - that have in a split second , without any tools "locked " that J Hook . If you don't have the Tool - you cannot , "unlock" it. Goes for rifles too with that J hooK

Not to be a troll or anything, but can you list some posts stating so. I did a search for "j hook" and came up with nothing. Help me out?

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Don't know if actual posts - because I do communicate with many members off forum - via PM or email.

Correia - one of our Mods - for one has done it , demonstrated it and seen it happen. Correia is our resident 3 gunner, and fastest shotgun shucker. He also teaches and instructs CCW.

Denny Hansen - another Mod here and elsewhere, along with being the editor of S.W. A. T.

I'd be willing to bet those like SapperLeader , 444 and such that have taken various training - say under Awerbuck , has heard Awerbuck make mention of it.

MY thinking - Every firearm MUST be reliable. IF there exists ANY possibilty of something causing a firearm to NOT be reliable - It does not need to be on , around, or near the firearm.

I'm real onery and canterous about some things. I don't care if the firearm is a dedicated Target gun or Hunting firearm . Fact is - These firearms have been known to serve as defence firearms.

Heck - I have shot thousands upon thousands of rds with a target gun with the safety removed on purpose. It was legal, the , clubs allowed it. We just informed the others members of squad , the Ref , RO , SO and such...just like one would with a release trigger.

I can take my off hand ( left thumb) and with very little friction lock that J hook. I can do it with my shooting hand ( right) , I can reach around trigger guard to " snick" safety back on ....and lock it shut.

I did it as well on the Rifles with this J Hook ...one guy had to run to the gun room and search for the tool ...He had his changed out pronto.

" Time out Jack ....silly me....oh I have the right ammo this time - I just Locked my gun safe, and Jack ....silly me....I forgot my J Hook safety tool " . :D

( Apologies to Robin Willams...what was that movie?" )

Nope - part of this dealie is respsonsible firearm ownership. I do not feel I am being repsonible if I let an known condition that I personally done and have seen locally and agreed to by my On- line friends - NOT be addressed and brought out in the open.

I do appreciate the many many things folks have shared with me in this regard. Pat Rogers, Jeff White, Corriea, Denny, Al , Dave, Smoke, SapperLeader, 444....too many folks to list.

Regards,
Steve