SF Examiner: SF trying to ban ALL FIFTY CALIBERS


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stv
October 1, 2004, 07:39 PM
link (http://www.examiner.com/article/index.cfm/i/100104n_guns)


City nearing ban on big-guns
Ordinance would rid S.F. of .50 calibur rifles.
By Jo Stanley | Staff Writer
Published on Friday, October 1, 2004
URL: http://www.examiner.com/article/index.cfm/i/100104n_guns
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San Francisco is moving toward a local ordinance banning virtually all .50-caliber rifles and handguns -- along with their ammunition -- taking gun control a step further than a new state law that goes into effect next year.

"This is a pretty comprehensive ordinance," said Juliet Leftwich, of the gun-control advocacy group Legal Community Against Violence. She said the proposed law that passed unanimously at a Board of Supervisors City Services Committee on Thursday is the first she knows of to ban the bullets that go into either the large-caliber military style rifles, also called sniper rifles, or the big-bore handguns more recently created by gun manufacturers. The new state law bans the rifles only.

At Smith & Wesson, whose 500 series handgun was named "Handgun of the Year" by a trade group when it was released in 2003, a spokesman commented that the 15-inch-plus weapon, which costs more than $1,000, is intended for hunting, and is so big that he doubts it would often be used on the street.

But the proposed ordinance, headed for a full board vote on Oct. 19, notes that there could be "significant" criminal activity or even potential terrorist threats associated with the big guns, which can pierce protective armor.

The local measure, sponsored by Supervisor Matt Gonzalez, received backing from colleagues Bevan Dufty, Fiona Ma and Sean Elsbernd. It requires the firearm owners to report to authorities within 48 hours of any theft or loss, while ordering gun dealers to perform background checks to weed out felons.

Police Lt. David Oberhoffer, who heads the Crime Scene Investigation Unit, said the notification rule could address a frequently heard story that people whose weapons are used in a crime aren't responsible because their weapons had been lost or stolen. "We get that a lot," he said, adding that how to enforce such a provision could become an issue.

As for guns being used most frequently in local crimes, the lieutenant said the .38 special is the most prevalent, a cheap throwaway. But the .50-caliber was used in a shooting in recent years, said Deputy Police Chief Greg Suhr.

The Smith & Wesson Web site describes the handgun as useful for "any game walking." But it also notes that a smaller, lighter version, with a barrel only half as long as the first .50-caliber handgun, is now available.

So far, Contra Costa County and Los Angeles have blocked the sale, and Leftwich says the East Bay county has been sued over its regulation. Her group provides aid in locating free counsel to defend gun-control moves.






:banghead:

I'd like to see that one crime to which Lt. Suhr is referring.

Would banning .50s have prevented the SBC Park stabbing? No.
Would banning .50s have prevented Maxine Danner's strangling? No.
Would banning .50s have prevented ANY crime in the City?

:barf:

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gunsmith
October 1, 2004, 07:48 PM
the more I want to leave

gigmike
October 1, 2004, 08:53 PM
Heck, I live in Washington and I want to get further away!!!!!!!!!

stv
October 1, 2004, 09:06 PM
I can't find the actual text of the measure anywhere, just vague phrases about 'restricting the sale of .50 caliber handguns and rifles'.

Why is SF's government website so useless? :rolleyes:

schizrade
October 1, 2004, 09:57 PM
I can't find the actual text of the measure anywhere, just vague phrases about 'restricting the sale of .50 caliber handguns and rifles'.
Why is SF's government website so useless?


It is NOT your place to question our fine leaders. It IS your duty to follow. Get back in line slave! :cuss:

Ewok
October 1, 2004, 10:07 PM
Why is SF's government... so useless? ;)

tyme
October 1, 2004, 11:17 PM
What does "calibur" mean? Stupid journalists. The least they can do is spell-check their subtitles.

The Examiner, like many newspapers these days, contains only pseudo-journalism. Grab bits and pieces of the truth at random, sprinkle on a good dose of liberal ideology, then go to press.

Standing Wolf
October 1, 2004, 11:41 PM
....there could be "significant" criminal activity or even potential terrorist threats associated with the big guns, which can pierce protective armor.

The sky might fall! The sky might fall! Oh, dear, the sky might fall!

crewchief
October 2, 2004, 12:39 AM
Like mentioned in another thread maybe it is time to develop the .499FUCA round in both rifle and handgun cartridge.:D

Sodbuster
October 2, 2004, 12:45 AM
Probably the only error Thomas More ever made was to name his book "Utopia" instead of "San Francisco".

jefnvk
October 2, 2004, 02:25 AM
The local measure, sponsored by Supervisor Matt Gonzalez, received backing from colleagues Bevan Dufty, Fiona Ma and Sean Elsbernd. It requires the firearm owners to report to authorities within 48 hours of any theft or loss, while ordering gun dealers to perform background checks to weed out felons.

Wow! San Francisco is going to require dealers to do a background check? What a new and innovative idea, it will keep all felons gun-free :rolleyes:

As for guns being used most frequently in local crimes, the lieutenant said the .38 special is the most prevalent, a cheap throwaway. But the .50-caliber was used in a shooting in recent years, said Deputy Police Chief Greg Suhr.

Doesn't matter that the.38 is still the most frequently used gun, a .50 (what one?) was used in ONE shooting. Time to ban it.

And I wonder why listening to liberals confuses me.

roscoe
October 2, 2004, 02:43 AM
I thought California gun law was state - preemptive, and local communities couldn't pass any gun laws.

nico
October 2, 2004, 02:46 AM
of course they'd never ban a gun designed for hunting. . . unless there's the possibility that it could be used in a crime or it's one of those evil hunting pistols. Even the "small" version of the Model 500 weighs 3.5lbs and is over 10" long.:banghead:

GSB
October 2, 2004, 09:37 AM
What does "calibur" mean?

http://www.soulcalibur2.com/ :D

carp killer
October 2, 2004, 07:04 PM
But the proposed ordinance, headed for a full board vote on Oct. 19, notes that there could be "significant" criminal activity or even potential terrorist threats associated with the big guns, which can pierce protective armor.


The key words are "could" and "potential".

Then the board should start looking at all the Home Depot's, Lowes and Walmarts. Because there is a hell of alot more "potential's" and "could's" being sold every day. :what:

I ask, "who keeps electing these idiots?":rolleyes:

artherd
October 4, 2004, 03:45 PM
What crime was a .50 used in?

Firethorn
October 4, 2004, 04:56 PM
Artherd,

There's actually been a couple of incidents. The latest was the guy who built a tank out of his caterpiller. The one before that was somebody was supposably shooting one out of a burning building.

twoblink
October 6, 2004, 04:11 AM
SF = Modern Day Sodom...

I'm waiting for Fire and Brimstone to come down from on high...

insurgent
October 6, 2004, 04:56 AM
Well, they killed 6 people with baseball bats here in Florida a month or two ago. I'll bet a hell of alot more people have been killed with bats than with a fifty.
I think I'll call them up tomorrow and have them add them to the list. For God's sake! Think of the children!

gigmike
October 6, 2004, 10:40 AM
It's such a shame, San Francisco is a beautiful city occupied by a bunch of imbeciles.

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