Auto ejecting pumpgun?

[461]

Sound funky? I thought so too. I've got a Winchester 1200 that I've had for years running a 26" barrel and have had no problems whatsoever. I just switched to an 18" cylinder bored barrel as I have interest in making it a HD weapon and now everytime I shoot it I basically get an auto eject. Without thinking at all, the forend comes to the rear as soon as the shot goes off. I'm assuming it is due to the higher recoil of the short barrel, but it's quite distracting. Is this a common thing or do I have a problem? Lockup is solid and function is perfect, so where do I go from here? Thanks in advance for any help offered.

[Edward429451]

You could try putting a slight forward pressure on the forearm so it wont do that.

Myself...I dig that 'feature' and even encourage it by a slight reaeward pressure to forearm. Saves cycle time for a followup. Go with the flow and adapt to your advantage I say...


YMMV.:D

[Nippy]

The Winchester Inertia Recoil System :D :D
My 1300 does that too, I think by design. Like you said it could be that shortening the barrel gave it more kick and now the forend just comes back due to the higher kick.

Best thing to do is put that 26" back on and see if it does that again. Since you say the lockup is solid and functional I dont think you have any problems with the gun.

I also dig that feature :D Especially when you get it timed right and let off two rounds as fast as a autoloader bang bang!

But if you dont like it you could put a flash light on the forend or weight the gun down with add ons like side-saddles, flashlight, railmounts or port the front end of the barrel to reduce kick.

[Dave McCracken]

Work with it. Bet your split times will get very impressive. Your Winnie is a fast shucker anyway.

870s do not auto eject. That's not obvious to many of us, considering the blazingly fast times a good shotgunner can rack up(pun intended) by practice and applying pressure rearward on the forearm.

[nemesis]

Like you said it could be that shortening the barrel gave it more kick and now the forend just comes back due to the higher kick.

While recoil forces the shotgun to the rear, inertia causes the forearm to be held forward. Your own muscle tension is probably the culprit and is pulling the now unlocked action to the rear. Not a problem.

[461]

Thanks guys, I thought it was kinda cool too and just wanted to make sure it was normal. Now if I could just get it to go back forward too I bet I'd make a couple of bucks. :D

[mnrivrat]

While some amount of rearward travel will not be a problem the gun is not designed to auto eject !

The difference between your gun and one that is "correct" , is in the adjustment of the bolt lock. (or wear in that system) When the hammer is falling it triggers the bolt release - if that happens too soon you can get excessive travel of the bolt & action bar assy rearward during firing.

The more pressure (like slugs vs shot, or magnums vs trap loads) the more the problem will show up.

[seeker_two]

Thanks guys, I thought it was kinda cool too and just wanted to make sure it was normal. Now if I could just get it to go back forward too I bet I'd make a couple of bucks.

Practice....practice...practice... :cool:

Now, if you could do that w/ a Winchester '97 or another shottie w/o a disconnecter, you'd be a force to behold... :evil:

[JamisJockey]

What everyone else said....
I've got the 1300, and have a 22" 'Ranger' barrel on it (rifle sight smoothbore). With just a little rearward pressure on the slide you can go bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! click! pretty tootin fast :evil:

[Nippy]

Also you probably shouldn't shoot it one handed too many times.:p

I shot it one handed a bunch and the slide would just fly back really really HARD! Not too good on the locking mechanism of the gun. I did this to a NIB Win1300.

Winnies are blazing fast:evil: Hope you go out and have fun with this new "feature" :D :D

[Duke of Lawnchair]

Winnies are blazing fast Hope you go out and have fun with this new "feature"

I seen it!

Nippy can pull off some FAST doubles.

[BigG]

I thought they were all SUPPOSED to work like that? A pump that wouldn't would get 86ed if it were mine. :confused:

[Nippy]

I thought they were all SUPPOSED to work like that?
What are you talking about? Auto-ejecting? I'm not sure if the mossburgs do that either.

[BigG]

Nippy: When the hammer hits, the gun should unlock without any forward jiggling on the pump handle necessary. A moderate amount of rearward pressure on the pump handle as in a well mounted gun at time of discharge will act as if automatic eject, even though gun is mechanically locked until discharge.

[461]

For clarification, it's not really AUTO ejecting, the forearm is just coming all the way to the rear when I shoot a round off. With the longer barrel this doesn't happen and also has never happened to me with 18" 870's, but for some reason it does with the Winny. I know the gun is safe and also know I can keep the forearm forward with pressure, but it really wants to come back. This is with 1oz #7 1/2 trap loads, I'm curious to find out what slugs and buck does in it. Very cool once you get past the confusion of it.

[BigG]

The only 870 I shot much, an 870 Express, worked the same as I described above.

[461]

Maybe I just figured out how to do it right.:uhoh: Wouldn't surprise me, as I never shot much with scatterguns until this last year other than qualifying over the years. After taking up Trap this year I'm really shooting a lot, but put down the pump when I got my single barrel trap gun (Baikal).

[Nippy]

My 1300 Auto-Ejects with any ammo. In the breaking-in of the shotgun I found that shooting it one handed would slam the forend back HARD ejecting the shell. I wouldn't recommend doing that over and over because its hard on the gun.

Any other shotgun I've shot (pump) wouldnt slam back or even move back. It just unlocks a bit and requires you to apply pressure to eject the shell.

I always thought that this feature was only for the 1300 models because they advertise its rotary bolt as "inertia-assisted". But heck if it works like that for your 1200 sweet!!!:D I remeber buying the 1300 because I held my friends 1200 and noticed the buttery smooth action.. I was totally sold on Winnies right after that :)

I think you did the right thing 461 and check to make sure it locked right.

[JamisJockey]

I was totally sold on Winnies right after that

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Oct/20041045581724064159335.jpg
I still need to mount my sling, I'm considering putting a mag extension on it. I appreciate the ability of the Mossys and 870's, but I will probably never own anything besides Winnys....unless I ever get a Zoli O/U :neener:

[TarpleyG]

This is the whole concept behind the rotating bolt system ("Speed Pump" system) that Winchester makes. That was a big feature in my decision to but a Winchester over and 870. Takes some getting used to though.

Greg

[Bob F.]

Shot my 870 HD "off the bench" the other day---with slugs!!! After 2nd round I remembered I had my wuss pad in my range box- a piece of closed-cell foam I use when bench shooting centerfire rifles (I'm a wuss). Had a tight hold (rifle style, off hand on heel of butt) and foreend rested on box with a piece of styrofoam on top. Most every shot an empty went flying, and my eyeballs jiggled!! Another 1000 rounds and I'll loved this little sweetie!

Stay safe.
Bob