Practically Tactical


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Glock Glockler
October 4, 2004, 03:14 PM
We all know that paying some big $$$ for guns and gear is the fast way to being tactical but what lifestyle changes do you incorporate in your day to day life to become tactical? I know a guy who plays a game where he gives himself a point when he sees someone before they see him and deducts a point when they are aware of him before he is of them. I know of another guy who constantly thinks about how he would best defend against the people he sees if they tried to attack him.

What do you do to become tacical instead of owning tactical objects?

thanks

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Nippy
October 4, 2004, 03:22 PM
Go out and speed ball(paintball in a 50 foot area) or play with simunitions and you'll learn about angles :D

sendec
October 4, 2004, 06:48 PM
If you think you're tactical, you're not.

Lord I hate that word.

You are tactical as soon as you realize it isnt about the gear. You are tactical when you show up with a Model 10 and a couple speedloaders and ace the proficiency test. You are tactical when you buy books instead of "tactical pants." You are tactical when you decide that eating salads does'nt make you Richard Simmons. You are tactical when you consistently ring the 200 yard plate with a iron sighted Mini-14. You are tactical when you park the car on the far side of the lot for the extra exercise. You are tactical when you buy practice ammo instead of a railed forearm you'll never need. You are tactical when you are cleaning your Mini with one of your kid's worn-out Barney toothbrush and the guys with the M-4orgeries don't say a word. You are tactical when you stop worrying about being "tactical"

Carrying_1
October 4, 2004, 11:15 PM
sendec - nice post. I fell the same way.

Bob F.
October 4, 2004, 11:16 PM
Just off the top of my head: (too tired for anything else) Ya' might check out sm's posts in the shotgun forum. Might have to go to the archives. To me, at least, what it's all about--kinda like "jailhouse rock" style of martial art.

Stay safe.
Bob

PS: sendec's right

Mulliga
October 4, 2004, 11:49 PM
While I agree with sendec about "tactical" being perhaps the silliest, most overused marketing buzzword in firearms, I'd have to say that being aware of your surroundings is a good idea.

Cooper Color codes:

http://www.teddytactical.com/SharpenBladeArticle/4_States%20of%20Awareness.htm

There's a fine line between awareness and paranoia, Glock Glockler, so tell your friends to lighten up. ;)

Preacherman
October 5, 2004, 10:47 AM
For a start, you should only eat camo-colored ramen noodles...

:rolleyes:

Skunkabilly
October 5, 2004, 12:03 PM
You know, instead of tactically thumping your own tactical chests, you could have read his tactical post. He was being sarcastic about buying stuff to be tactical and asking what he can do to heighten his situational awareness, knowing full well....

*sigh*

never mind.

Grockrer

You probably know about the Cooper Color Code,
white = ostrich
yellow = relaxed awareness
orange = specific possible threat
red = SHTF

Housecats have eyes on their butts and you can seldom sneak up on the little guys. They aren't paranoid, just alert.

Dogs on the other hand, go from white to red. They lounge around and you can walk up to them and kick them. Then they go nuts on you.

Basically you want to be in housecat mode.

I hear other things about playing games in traffic and on foot about trying to predict someone else's movement, but I find that for me, personally, it's counterproductive as I get fixated on one person or car. I just keep my head on a swivel casually.

As for being tactical, carry your junk on your offhand so you can access your weapons on the other.

Know the interview position and use it when dealing with people.

And don't forget to enjoy life. Tactical people, especially the 'tacticaller than thou' who post on the Internet, take themselves too seriously. We're all going to die one day and if you die tactically or not, it matters more that you brought truth, justice and joy into other people's lives, not being buried in the cemetary in the corner facing all the other dead people so you can keep an eye on them and react to a possible threat.

Mikul
October 5, 2004, 02:19 PM
I like to see how close I can get to someone before they notice that I'm there. To some extent it's how good I am, but even if I do my best, I'll never get within 20 feet of some people. There are plenty of people that I can walk within touching distance before they even realize I'm in the room.

Some people are not amused by this "trick."

Cosmoline
October 5, 2004, 02:45 PM
Sendec--you mean my new tac-pants were a waste of money :eek:

The one rule I try to keep in mind is this. BE A RANK COWARD. Hide, hit the dirt, be silent, run away. Do anything but stick your chest out and march forward. If you're going to have to shoot someone, it's tactically most sound to shoot them from concealment and cover with a high-powered rifle through their back. That might not be LEGALLY sound, of course. But if you're alive and they're dead--you win.

Thus, if someone is holding up the 7-11 and your exit is blocked, your best bet in a tactical sense is to hide until you have a shot, then empty your sidearm into their back. Never give them the chance to shoot you. That's thinking tactically. What clothes you have on at the time and how expensive your firearm is are pretty much irrelevant factors.

Dbl0Kevin
October 5, 2004, 02:48 PM
not being buried in the cemetary in the corner facing all the other dead people so you can keep an eye on them and react to a possible threat.

Had I been drinking something at the moment I read that......it most definately would have been flying out my nose! LMAO :D

tommytrauma
October 5, 2004, 03:55 PM
I move through the shopping mall in three to five second rushes. :D




Seriously though, I really wonder about the people I see who spend big money on the latest carbon fiber tactical thong, but can't walk up a flight of stairs without huffing and puffing, and do nothing to try to change that.


I was at a gun show a few years ago, and saw something that made a big impression on me; There was a guy there wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a wolf and the caption 'Survival of the fittest'. He quite literally weighed well above 350 pounds. He was asking a vendor if he had a gunbelt in a 64".


I went through a Defensive Edge handgun class last year. I used a 1911. There were several examples of the latest tupperware and "serious" combat 1911s. We were all outshot by an old duffer with a handlebar mustashe and a Smith model 10 revolver.

El Tejon
October 5, 2004, 04:22 PM
1. Stay in shape, lots of cardio;
2. Don't go where you don't belong;
3. Cut down on the booze, don't drink to intox;
4. Stay away from the smokes, they cut your wind;
5. Stay alert, stop doing acts of divided attention (cell phones while driving), look around;
6. Live a life of peace, but train hard.:D

Thumper
October 5, 2004, 04:54 PM
You are tactical when you decide that eating salads does'nt make you Richard Simmons.

You are tactical if you realize that being Richard Simmons isn't a desirable state of affairs.

Incropera-Dewitt
October 5, 2004, 04:57 PM
You're either Sizwat or niznot!

El Tejon
October 5, 2004, 06:17 PM
Thumper, I'll have you know Richard Simmons pounded the stuffing out of a MMAer (Mixed Martial Artist) in the airport in GWR.

Simmons is light and quick. As well his build allows him to take cover behind golf clubs.:D Incoming fire? Just turn sideways!:p

Thumper
October 5, 2004, 06:22 PM
Thumper, I'll have you know Richard Simmons pounded the stuffing out of a MMAer (Mixed Martial Artist) in the airport in GWR.

Now there's a visual that'll make you lose your lunch. Did they at least use one of those stalls?

jobu07
October 5, 2004, 06:44 PM
In the original post, it was talked of the poster's friend constantly thinking about what he would do if people were to attack him that he sees. That reminded me about a chapter in Niccolo Machiavelli's "The Prince." I forget exactly which chapter it was, but Mach speaks of one of the ancient kings of, I believe, an Italian principality who, when going off to hunt with some of his close friends, would discuss the what if's sort of htings of battle. For example, what if right now if we were leading our army, an opposing army larger than ours crested that ridge to the north. Or, what if we were retreating and another force cut off our escape route in that valley, etc etc. Just various situations. It's very interesting stuff and worth studying. It can really be applied to life today.
Additionally, I agree with your sentiments sendec. Very well put.

Skofnung
October 5, 2004, 06:50 PM
quote:Thumper, I'll have you know Richard Simmons pounded the stuffing out of a MMAer (Mixed Martial Artist) in the airport in GWR.

Now there's a visual that'll make you lose your lunch. Did they at least use one of those stalls?

Congrats Thumper. You just said the funniest thing I've heard all day. Thanks.

lee n. field
October 5, 2004, 09:13 PM
would discuss the what if's sort of htings of battle. For example, what if right now if we were leading our army, an opposing army larger than ours crested that ridge to the north. Or, what if we were retreating and another force cut off our escape route in that valley, etc etc. Just various situations. It's very interesting stuff and worth studying.

Interesting. I think like this sometimes, during a boring drive. How many people can you hid in a cornfield? (Lots, but they don't do much good until you can get them out.)

Thinking tactically -- remember the scene in Braveheart, where Edward Longshanks gives a lesson in situational awareness to his son's good buddy, the one who thought himself trained in war?

BlkHawk73
October 5, 2004, 09:45 PM
We all know that paying some big $$$ for guns and gear is the fast way to being tactical


So the $ you spend makes you "tactical" Ok, so I guess buying a Monte carlo makes you a Nascar driver then right? Guess actual knowledge, training and practice are'nt needed anymore. great millions of schoolkids will love that since now just spending $ on items will make you waht you want to be. :rolleyes: :neener:

"Tactcial" is about the equivilant of "rare" these days. Anything anyone has that they want to get rid of is "rare". Just another over-over used adjective used to make something ordinary sound impressive.

If "tactical" items were pink, just think of how many Barbie guns and crap there'd be. :p And people would buy them!

jhisaac1
October 6, 2004, 12:04 AM
For a start, you should only eat camo-colored ramen noodles...
Dude, if your ramen is camo-colored, squeeze a few bucks out of the ammo budget and buy some fresh noodles.:D

TonyB
October 6, 2004, 09:30 AM
I go everywhere via the "low crawl":cool:
also I use internet cammo....you can't see me can you?:uhoh:

Glock Glockler
October 6, 2004, 02:03 PM
the $ you spend makes you "tactical" Ok, so I guess buying a Monte carlo makes you a Nascar driver then right? Guess actual knowledge, training and practice are'nt needed anymore. great millions of schoolkids will love that since now just spending $ on items will make you waht you want to be

Allow me to introduce you to a concept called "Sarcasm". If you bothered to read the rest of my post you would notice that I had specifically asked about a productive mindset to approach life in a manner that would keep you out of danger as opposed to equipment.

jobu07 hit the nail on the head and understood what I meant. True Tacticality is between the ears.

Average Guy
October 6, 2004, 03:37 PM
I love and use what I learned from motorcycle class:

Search
Predict
Act

Basically you want to be in housecat mode.
Within reason, of course. Ulcers are not tactical.

jobu07
October 6, 2004, 09:47 PM
Well, if nothing else this thread got me to pull out my copy of the Prince and peruse the pages some more, which is a good thing. The chapter I spoke of is Chapter 14 "The Duties of a Prince with Regard to the Militia" in The Prince. the chapters title. Here's the passage:

"...Francesco Sforza, through being well armed, became, from private status, Duke of Milan; his sons, through wishing to avoid the fatigue and hardships of war, from dukes became private persons. For among other evils caused by being disarmed, it renders you contemptible; which is one of those disgraceful things which a prince must guard against, as will be explained later. BEcause there is no compairison whatever between an armed and a disarmed man; it is not reasonable to suppose that one who is armed will obejy willingly one who is among armed servants. For one being disdainful and the other suspicious, it is not possible for them to act well together. And therefore a prince who is ignorant of military matters, besides the other misfortunes already mentioned, cannot be esteemed by his soldiers, nor have confidence in them.
He ought, therefore, never to let his thoughts stray from the exercise of war; and in peace he ought to practice it more than in war, which he can do in two ways: by action and by study. As to action, he must, besides keeping his men well disciplined and exersiced, engage continually in hunting, and thus accustom his body to the hardships; and menwhile learn the nature of the land, how steep the mountains are, how the valleys debouch, where the plains lie, and understand the nature of rivers and swamps. To all this he should devote great attention. This knowledge is useful in two ways. In the first place, one learns to know one's country, and can the better see how to defend it. Then by means of the knowledge and experience gained in one locality, one can easily undertand any other that it may be necessary to observe; for the hills have a certain resemblance to those of other provinces, so that from a knowledge of the country in one province one can easily arrive at a knowledge of others. And that prince who is lacking in this skill is wanting in the first essentials of a leader; for it is this which teaches how to find the enemy, take up quarters, lead armies, plan battles and lay siege to towns with advantage.
Philopoemen, prince of the Achaei, among others praises bestowed on him by writers, is lauded because in times of peace he thought of nothing but the methods of warfare, and when he was in the country with his friends, he often stopped and asked them: If the enemy were on that hill and we found ourselves here with our army, which of us would have the advantage? How could we safely approach him maintaing our order? If we wished to retire, what ought we to do? If they retired, how should we follow them? And he put before them as they went along all the countingencies that might happen to an army, heard thier opinion, gave his own, fortifiying it by argument; so that thanks to these constate reflections there could never happen any incident when actually leading his armies for which he was not prepared.
But as to exercise for the mind, the prince ought to read history and study the actions of eminent men, see how they acted in warfare, examin the causese of their victories and defeats in order to imitate the forme and avoid the latter..."

So what do you guys think? Agree with Nicollo? Disagree? Argue and make your points and learn from each other! :)

Tharg
October 7, 2004, 05:28 AM
Agree -

Its not something "modern" man thinks about...

but then i could go next door to my buddy who knows the lay of the land like the back of his fist. Its funny - some(many) might consider him a "lowest common denominator" .. but he's pure respect in my eyes. Cause of what he knows - how he knows it - how he uses it - what he does w/ what he knows - how he adapts to what he is just learning and how it all always seems to come together under his actions.

He is one of those people that "city people" would scoff at - but i'd run just about any idea past him first.

I've had the pleasure of knowing two of these people in my life. (so far) one of them is no longer with the living... the other gets along just fine.

J/Tharg!

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