I've got 1000 rounds of Indian 308. How does one blown rifle = dangerous ammo? It may be junk ammo but one blown rifle which may or may not have been caused by defective ammo is hardly enough evidence to draw any conclusion.
October 6, 2004, 09:42 PM
What does the headstamp look like ?
October 6, 2004, 09:55 PM
The headstamp on mine:
OFV 02 7.62 M80.
I've shot some of this and can observe...
Case rim size varies. When trying to fit these cases into my shell holder, the rim is frequently too large to allow it to fit. Have now chosen to not reload these boxer primed cases.
No evidence of dangerous pressure yet....but I don't have a lot of it, or shot a lot of it, fourtunately.
October 6, 2004, 10:14 PM
I'll stick with Aussie, thx :)
I think I've heard more bad things about Indian than anything else. Just doesn't sound like good ammo.
October 6, 2004, 10:16 PM
I have about 1000 rounds of stuff that I am shooting right now. I have no idea what it is. The headstamp is: T Z 80
I have 2400 rounds of Austrailian stuff also, but see no reason to waste the other stuff. Espcially since I am mostly using it at 25 meters.
October 7, 2004, 12:47 AM
Made the mistake of buying Indian made .303 Enfield once. Shot it in my No. 4 Mk 1 (T) sniper rifle and got a 12" group at 100 yards. I thought the rifle was bad and had other folks examine the crown. Then someone suggests trying some Australian ammo and the groups were a little under 3" at 100 yards. Never again will I buy Indian ammo and after seeing the blown magazine, I'll never shoot that stuff again. Boy, if all their ammo is that bad, the Bhutan Palace Guard can take on the Indian Army. I hope they don't equip their troops with that trash they sell us.:(
October 7, 2004, 01:03 AM
October 7, 2004, 01:25 AM
Try this site for ID.
October 7, 2004, 01:43 AM
Ball, Israel: ptd gm fmj; OB pr; red PA; ring pr crimp
October 7, 2004, 12:04 PM
I've seen those pictures floating around for more than six months. Indian is dirty and possibly unsafe but so far I have only seen two verifiable KABOOM!s with it. A risk I don't want to take... but honestly not that big a problem, IMO.
October 7, 2004, 08:18 PM
Military ammunition ends up on the surplus market.
If it was good stuff the military of that country would still be using it.
Even some of the current production stuff gets boxed and sold here because it did NOT meet military specifications in the producing country.
October 7, 2004, 08:22 PM
Surplus ammo made in a Third World Country stored under uncertain conditions?
October 7, 2004, 10:02 PM
Just a thought. Could these HOT rounds be caused by excess powder charges? Would it help to weigh each round and cull the rounds that are heavier than the others?
October 7, 2004, 10:56 PM
There is also a possibility of poor quality powder with inconsistent pressures and burn rates. That would make culling heavier rounds ineffective. There are also reports of poor quality brass and bad insufficient neck tension.
I don't have any personal experience with Indian Ammo, nor have I seen any firsthand incidents involving the ammunition. However, I've heard enough to want to stay away from the stuff.
October 7, 2004, 11:12 PM
Never buy ammo made in a country where the water is not safe to drink.
October 7, 2004, 11:53 PM
I guess if you were really cheap you could pull the ammo and reuse the bullet/powder in a freshly primed case. (probably easier just to chuck it and buy aussie though)
October 8, 2004, 05:09 AM
Wow, I'm glad I didn't buy any of this stuff for the .308 I don't have. Guess if I do pick any surplus up, it'll be Australian.
October 8, 2004, 05:22 AM
Oh THe PAIN THE PAIN!!
October 8, 2004, 08:36 AM
4v50Gary: I actually have several hundred rounds of Indian .303 MkVII on Vickers MG belts in my ammo cans, I've fired probably 150 of these rounds and had no trouble at all with reliability or accuracy. Pakistani on the other hand!
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