Antoher reason urban battle is so dangerous


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ballistic gelatin
October 6, 2004, 11:17 AM
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Lonestar.45
October 6, 2004, 11:26 AM
Man I hate to see that. As a parent, that especially hits home for me.:fire:

ctdonath
October 6, 2004, 11:26 AM
:what: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

J Miller
October 6, 2004, 12:24 PM
Wow, I wonder if the guy in the ball cap just bought that assult weapon from the local ice cream truck vendor?
And I wonder what that little midget is hiding in his hand, an Uzi with a standard cap mag?

Ok sarcasm aside, here is a question for those that really know. In almost every pic like this I've seen there is a wet mossy area running out of the door or a crack in the wall or somewere. What are they doing, or using that causes this? I'm just curious.

There is a lot wrong in that picture, not the least of which is the child checking out the action in the street. The whole situation is wrong. But that's unfortunatly the way it is.

Joe

feedthehogs
October 6, 2004, 12:48 PM
Someone said war is hell.
If the parents in a war zone don't keep an eye on their kids, they get killed.
While not a good thing, don't let the liberals use it as propaganda.

ballistic gelatin
October 6, 2004, 01:04 PM
Someone said war is hell.
If the parents in a war zone don't keep an eye on their kids, they get killed.I have two small boys and when I saw it, I felt a little ill. BUT I realize that conflicts come with a price. What do I know?

Heck, for all we know...this could be the Dad telling his kid to get back in the house as he's leaving for "duty". No wonder a picture is worth a thousand words. It's because everyone is trying to figure out what's really going on in the photo.

ballistic gelatin
October 6, 2004, 01:05 PM
wet mossy area running out of the doorTobacco Stains?

OF
October 6, 2004, 01:23 PM
Kids just like that kid are being killed all over the place over there. It's part of the deal. Don't look for war to solve the problem if you haven't the stomach for it.

That said: no country makes a more concerted effort to spare the lives of non-combatants than the US. We have more money invested in precision munitions than anyone. A higher percentage of our inventory is precision than anyone. Our military machine takes more care of more 'off-limits' sites than anyone. We show more restraint when dealing with our enemy, even to the absurdity of allowing our enemies haven and escape than anyone.

War is hell. But we do our absolute best.

- Gabe

PS: As for what this kid is doing out of doors, who knows. Lots of animals over there that don't give a rats arse about anyone.

Boats
October 6, 2004, 01:49 PM
Heck, we often sport ROEs that say we have to be fired on first. If that isn't restraint, I don't know what qualifies.

wildehond
October 6, 2004, 03:12 PM
We had a lot of this kind of foto's floating around in years gone by in South Africa. You would be supprised at how many are posed. Only about 1 in ten was real. I will bet that one was posted aswell. It is just to perfect a foto!

wildehond

Teufelhunden
October 6, 2004, 04:45 PM
There is a lot wrong in that picture, not the least of which is the child checking out the action in the street. The whole situation is wrong. But that's unfortunatly the way it is.

Well, at least he's got muzzle (such as it is) awareness and his finger off the trigger...:rolleyes:

-Teuf

jobu07
October 6, 2004, 08:53 PM
About the door, might it be the stains left on the ground from the city operating on an open sewer? Just a though.:confused:

MrMurphy
October 7, 2004, 08:33 AM
Most armies take a round from a building and level the village. We don't operate like that.


Yeah, the photo is probably posed. Kind of like CNN paying kids to throw rocks (large ones!) at the Israelis, who fire back with rubber bullets. CNN gets more "nasty Israeli troops" footage. They don't give a crap about the kids.

And yes, this really does happen, I know three people who've seen it happen on different occasions, all of whom are news photographers in Israel. :)

Majic
October 7, 2004, 11:41 PM
Don't get caught up in propaganda. Many small out of the way places have been wiped from the face of the earth by the US military. The stories and pictures just aren't released to the media. There are far to many vets telling stories of killing everything that moved. Carpet bombing couldn't selectively miss villages that were close by the target. There was a meaning to "Kill em all and let God sort em out".

Zundfolge
October 7, 2004, 11:58 PM
as someone who uses Photoshop for a living, I'd say that photo would have been easy to manufacture


Also, without knowing what exactly is going on there and who those people are I'm not going to get all upset.


We have no real info about the photo and as such it is natural to try to "fill in the blanks" ... often we are led by others in the direction they want those blanks filled (just read the title of this thread and look at the picture).



Think about this photo by Oleg .... think about it with the title of this thread instead of the caption thats on it.

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/s_parents.jpg

fistful
October 8, 2004, 12:40 AM
About the door, might it be the stains left on the ground from the city operating on an open sewer? Just a though. Good guess.

Wow, I wonder if the guy in the ball cap just bought that assult weapon from the local ice cream truck vendor? Funny.And I wonder what that little midget is hiding in his hand, an Uzi with a standard cap mag? Way out of line.

cracked butt
October 8, 2004, 01:12 AM
Heck, for all we know...this could be the Dad telling his kid to get back in the house as he's leaving for "duty". No wonder a picture is worth a thousand words. It's because everyone is trying to figure out what's really going on in the photo.

I have a son who is about the same age as the what the kid in th epicture looks. I can see this happening. I can't count the number of times my kid has pushed the boundaries and I have to tell him "stop, owies, go back, etc" and he will smile at me and do it anyhow. Kids at that age are so damn innocent. You put my kid and that kid on the playground and they woul dbe best friends in 5 minutes. :(

RevDisk
October 8, 2004, 01:36 AM
Friend of mine got shot by a kid was around 10 or 11. Thankfully, it was only a 9mm handgun, not an AK47. My buddy's out of the military now on a medical discharge. He was rather upset by having to kill a kid, but it's one of those things in life.

Kid's not that much older than the one in the photo are actual enemy soldiers. AK-47 and everything.

carebear
October 8, 2004, 03:52 AM
wet mossy area running out of the door

old mop water? condensation on the metal? the blood of tyrants?

OF
October 8, 2004, 08:46 AM
Don't get caught up in propaganda.I'm sorry, are you saying that we are not the most moral military might in human history? Or just that were not perfect...

- Gabe

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