Guns don't kill people....Well, actually, yes, they do


October 10, 2004, 08:55 PM

Anyone get this? Can antis not understand that inanimate objects are incapable of indepent thought, much less action?

Say it with me, children:

INanimate. INanimate. INanimate.

IN: as in not, opposite of

Animate: as in having the capability of motion

Oh yeah, *** kind of gun is that?

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Ukraine Train
October 10, 2004, 09:03 PM
Funny that it says guns kill yet there's a HUMAN hand holding it. As for what kind of gun that is, you got me! haha

October 10, 2004, 09:04 PM
If guns kill, Then why is there a human hand in the image with the gun?

October 10, 2004, 09:04 PM
Regarding the bit about inanimate objects, well, it's often been my experience that left-wing statists imbue all sorts of inanimate objects with talismanic powers. If they can hallucinate into imagining that little bits of wood carved in the shape of an animal has some kind of totemic mystical powers, then why not a gun?

October 10, 2004, 09:08 PM
I'd be willing to agree that "guns kill", to a point..... BUT

what in Keebler's Cookies is that thing the hand is holding?


edit: can somebody resize that thing, it is a terrible drawing that deserves to be seen

Standing Wolf
October 10, 2004, 09:47 PM
Can antis not understand that inanimate objects are incapable of indepent thought, much less action?

If not for fear, ignorance, superstition, lies, and more irrational fear, leftism would have no philosophical foundations.

October 10, 2004, 10:05 PM
My sig' line says it all ......

The legend should perhaps be ''Guns can potentially kill - in the wrong hands'' By themselves of course - mere inert projectile launchers.

Equally .. ''knives can kill''. Hammers can kill. ....... etc .......

October 10, 2004, 10:35 PM

This is the gun pictured. If I try to 'cut and paste' the image, all that I get is an image which says "sample".

That is one strange gun!

October 10, 2004, 10:46 PM
Thanks weima, I had the same problem but lacked even the ability to resize....

Are those rivets?

October 10, 2004, 10:57 PM
Guns are too scary to draw a realistic picture of one? That's pretty funny. Can't blame the Canadians for this one. Last I heard they aren't allowed to teach the word and there it is spelled out in plain red and white.

October 10, 2004, 11:04 PM
It looks a bit like those old four prong telephone jacks.

A gun with a modem?

October 10, 2004, 11:07 PM
"I didn't kill him. The bullets and the fall killed him."

Some people you just can't reach.:mad:

October 10, 2004, 11:37 PM
That's one of the wierdest looking thing's I have ever seen. It kind of looks like it's attached to his index finger.

Mal H
October 10, 2004, 11:54 PM
Looks like a high tech rubber band gun. Or maybe a cigarette lighter. :)

One thing for sure - that gun won't kill anyone!

October 11, 2004, 12:15 AM
Looking at the picture it is plain that the artist has never seen a handgun much less held one.
From what I cansee I'm not real sure he's ever seen a human hand

October 11, 2004, 12:29 AM
Since guns kill people, does that mean I can be let off the hook if I shoot someone? I didn't do it, the gun did, your honor.

I think we need a bumper sticker:
Guns Don't Kill People, I Kill People
Guns Don't Kill People, Bullet Wounds Kill People

Just to piss people off.

October 11, 2004, 01:28 AM
ROFL it's our duty to fight this oppression....

my response....



October 11, 2004, 01:30 AM
I read one once, I think it was here.
Guns don't kill people, it's the bullets..
The guns just make them go really fast

S Roper
October 11, 2004, 09:08 AM
I'm just trying to figure out how to contort my hand into that configuration. I think my fingers need to be a few inches longer.

October 11, 2004, 10:05 AM

El Tejon
October 11, 2004, 10:08 AM
Of course guns kill people. If all they did was tickle, I would not carry one.

October 11, 2004, 10:48 AM
That picture is just generic clip-art of a pointing hand with something vaguely gun-like scribbled over the index finger...


R.H. Lee
October 11, 2004, 11:05 AM
Hoplophobia (pronounced HOP-li-fobia), from the Greek hoplon, or weapon, is an invented phobia coined by firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper Jeff Cooper (10 May 1920 - ) is recognized as the father of what is commonly referred to as "The Modern Techniques of Shooting". He was born John Dean Cooper and is known to his friends as "Jeff". Cooper is a former Marine Lt. Colonel who served in World War II and Korea. He is also a history professor and an ongoing student of history, a philosopher, an adventurer, an author, and a shooter. In the early 1980s, Cooper published an article describing his ideal of a general-purpose rifle, which he dubbed a Scout rifle in 1962. His intent was to attempt to gain clinical recognition of the irrational fear of firearms. He suggested that "the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user'".

by Jeff Cooper

My dictionary describes an obsession as "a haunting by a fixed idea." A haunting is a nagging, continuous fear of the unreal. A fixed idea is one that cannot be altered, by truth or reason or anything else.

Phobia is listed as "fear, horror, or aversion -- of a morbid character. "Morbid" is "unwholesome, sickly. "

Those of us who shoot cannot help being perplexed when we encounter people who are apparently haunted by a fixed and morbid aversion to our guns. When first we meet such persons we generally respond with explanations, as is only reasonable. But with time we discover that often we are not dealing with rational minds. This is not to say that everyone who is opposed to shooting is mentally aberrant, but it is to say that those who latch on to an unreasonable notion and thereafter refuse to listen to any further discussion of it have problems that are more amenable to psychiatry than to argument.

I coined the term hoplophobia over twenty years ago, not out of pretension but in the sincere belief that we should recognize a very peculiar sociological attitude for what it is -- a more or less hysterical neurosis rather than a legitimate political position. It follows convention in the use of Greek roots in describing specific mental afflictions. "Hoplon" is the Greek word for "instrument," but refers synonymously to "weapon" since the earliest and principal instruments were weapons. Phobos is Greek for "terror" and medically denotes unreasoning panic rather than normal fear. Thus hoplophobia is a mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who may wield them. The word has not become common, though twenty years is perhaps too short a time in which to test it, but I am nevertheless convinced that it has merit. We read of "gun grabbers" and "anti-gun nuts" but these slang terms do not face up to the reasons why such people behave the way they do. They do not adequately suggest that reason, logic, and truth can have no effect upon one who is irrational on the point under discussion. You cannot say calmly "Come, let us reason together" to a hoplophobe because that is what he is -- a hoplophobe. He is not just one who holds an opposing view, he is an obsessive neurotic. You can speak, write, and illustrate the merits of the case until you drop dead, and no matter how good you are his mind will not be changed. A victim of hydrophobia will die, horribly, rather than accept the water his body desperately needs. A victim of hoplophobia will die, probably, before he will accept the fallacy of his emotional fixation for what it is.

Have you noted that whenever an assassination is committed with a rifle, our journalistic hoplophobes clamor for further prohibitions on pistols? A pistol is a defensive weapon; a rifle is an offensive weapon. Yet the hoplophobes always attack pistols first because they feel that pistols are somehow nastier than rifles. (Though rifles are pretty nasty, too. They will get to those later.) This is the age of the "gut reaction" -that crutch of intellectual cripples -- and for an interesting number of commentators it is not even embarrassing to admit that actually thinking about anything important is just too much trouble. Some of our most ubiquitous and highly paid social-problem columnists are egregious examples of this.

Not long ago a staff member of the Chicago Tribune held forth at some length about how the color gatefolds in outdoor magazines exemplified the same s******ing depravity that we find in the pornographic press, substituting guns for girls. What a sewer of a mind this man displays! It is undeniable that both a man-made work of art and a beautiful woman are manifestations of God's blessing, but to imply that our admiration for them is obscene is to give oneself away. For some it indeed may be, but the rest of us need no advice from such. (I had thought that the fad to fantasize everything into a Freudian sex-symbol had gone out of vogue prior to World War II, but obviously there are a good many who never got the word.)

The essence of the affliction is the belief that instruments cause acts. It may be that certain degenerate human beings are so far gone that they will use something just because it is there -- a match, for instance. (I saw a bumper sticker in the Rockies that admonished "Prevent Forest Fires. Register Matches!") One who will burn people because he has a match is the same as one who will shoot people because he has a gun, but the hoplophobe zeroes in on guns because he is -- let's face it -- irrational. He will answer this by saying that we need matches (and cars, and motorcycles, and power saws, et cetera) but we do not need guns. He will not accept the idea that you may indeed need your guns, because he hates guns. He is afflicted by the grotesque notion that tools have a will of their own. He may admit that safe driving is a matter of individual responsibility, but he rejects the parallel in the matter of weapons. This may not be insanity, but it is clearly related to it.

One cannot rationally hate or fear an inanimate object. Neither can he rationally hate or fear an object because of its designed purpose. Whether one approves of capital punishment or not, one cannot rationally fear a hemp rope. One who did, possibly because he once narrowly escaped hanging, would generally be referred to a shrink. When the most prominent hoplophobe in the United States Senate says that he abhors firearms because their purpose is to put bullets through things, he reinforces the impressions that many have formed about his capacity to reason.

My point -- and I hope it is clear -- is that hoplophobia is a mental disturbance rather than a point of view. Differences of opinion -- on economic policy, or forced integration, or the morality of abortion, or the neutron bomb -- these we may hope to resolve by discussion. But we cannot so resolve a phobia. The mentally ill we cannot reach. But we can identify a form of mental illness for what it is, and so separate its victims from the policy considerations of reasonable people.

The root of the evil is the unprincipled attempt to gain votes by appealing to the emotions of the emotionally disturbed. Few reasonable politicians dare to take on the Second Amendment, even in the Eastern Megalopolis. (One prominent left-liberal told a New Yorker interviewer that he "would rather be a deer, in season, than to take on 'the gun lobby'!") But if, as is the case with the aforementioned senator, the politician is already a hopeless hoplophobe, his advisers must turn him loose to appeal to his constituency of crazies, since their jobs depend on it. "Go to it, Senator! The nuts are all with you."

This is something we who prize our traditional liberties must face. Convincing the uninterested is the very essence of politics, in a two-party system. It is up to us to do that by demonstrating that hoplophobia is a disease, and to call upon all reasonable people to reject it as a basis for the formulation of policy.

From "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth", Pages 16-19.

erik the bold
October 11, 2004, 11:24 AM
I read one once, I think it was here.
Guns don't kill people, it's the bullets..
The guns just make them go really fast

Shouldn't it be that, "The guns just point them in the right direction?" :D

Andrew Rothman
October 11, 2004, 11:48 AM
I like the Cooper article, but I'll be darned how you're gonna fit it on a t-shirt. :D

October 11, 2004, 12:16 PM
That's easy!

"Guns Save Lives"

October 11, 2004, 12:25 PM
Weimadog posted:
A gun with a modem?
That's one of the new "Smart Guns"... It needs to get authorization to fire. Don't worry, it's an instant check! :what:



Sylvilagus Aquaticus
October 11, 2004, 12:46 PM
If it wasn't dangerous I wouldn't own it.


Dain Bramage
October 11, 2004, 02:39 PM
And the dude is a lefty.

I think the gun is an avant-garde depiction of a Mateba.

I always new those things were just plain weird, and now I know they can self-animate and wreak havoc in murderous rampages.

Demonic Auto-revolver, I rebuke thee!

-Dain Bramage, anthropomorphizing since 1964.

October 11, 2004, 03:03 PM
To a point...
But all things considered...more people are killed by blunt trauma than handguns. IMO......The danger of a handgun and a golf club or bat is exactly the same.

October 11, 2004, 03:33 PM
Let me clear up the confusion. That is actually a gun of my own invention. I made it up for some anti-gun groups, so they could be truthful in stating that guns do indeed kill people. The "hand" is actually a part of the gun, with a small motor inside, and cable in the trigger finger that pulls the trigger randomly, usually killing small children and racial minorities, and sometimes frightening Rosie O'Donnel with near misses. Keeps her motivated. After initial distribution to groups around the country, they ordered about 500,000 of them, to leave in nurseries, schools, pediatric offices and playgrounds, to drive up the number of tragic firearm attacks and increase public awareness of this terrible gun culture which must be stopped at all costs.

Roadkill Coyote
October 11, 2004, 08:30 PM
What we need is a tee shirt that says
The American Hoplophobia Association, Shooting for a Cure!

and it would be an excuse to organize a fundraising shoot-a-thon! :D

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