How much $ to give up your right to carry?


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myrockfight
October 12, 2004, 01:29 AM
I know this is an insane hypothetical/potential flame post. However, I would like to hear your replies concerning this issue.

If you had no choice, but to give up your right to carry due to some unthinkable circumstance, but you would be compensated monetarily...

How much would be considered fair in your opinion?

How much money would be considered reasonable by another or a group of people?



My initial answer is, "There is no amount of money that could replace my right to carry a firearm for my safety and the safety of my family."

But this issue is a reality for someone I know and it is real. I cannot really divulge a whole lot of details, but I can say it is not a criminal issue in any way.

Please think this one out! Your help is appreciated.

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Edmond
October 12, 2004, 02:09 AM
I guess if they hired an armed guard 24/7 for me like the politicians, I wouldn't carry.:D

wasrjoe
October 12, 2004, 02:12 AM
Whatever amount would give me armed guards when I felt it was necessary. 'Course I wouldn't want Bubba following me around everywhere, but I'm not exactly a high-profile target. Just takin' him with me to get milk or through bad neighborhoods.

pax
October 12, 2004, 02:19 AM
My immediate, knee-jerk reaction was, "No way. My life is not worth a dollar figure -- and that is why I carry, to protect my life."

Then I thought what Edmond thought: I guess if they hired an armed guard 24/7 for me like the politicians, I wouldn't carry.
Then I realized that anyone you can hire to protect you, can be hired by someone else not to protect you.

I'm back to "uh uh, no way."

pax

It is not reasonable to suppose that one who is armed will obey willingly one who is unarmed; or that any unarmed man will remain safe among armed servants. -- Niccolò Machiavelli

Edmond
October 12, 2004, 02:20 AM
Pax,

I guess the only solution would be to protect yourself.:D

sm
October 12, 2004, 02:29 AM
Money can't buy everything , then there is that "matter of principles" I have.

To thine own self be true. Assume nothing - trust nothing but your instincts.

Sometimes you gotta break the rules...

Tamara
October 12, 2004, 06:22 AM
I value it about as much as my other rights. Which is to say that I consider it non-negotiable.

Soap
October 12, 2004, 07:54 AM
I already have a good bit of cash for a 22 year old. My goal is to hit millionaire by 30, packing a 1911 the whole way ;) Regardless, I'd rather be poor and free than rich and in chains.

boofus
October 12, 2004, 08:08 AM
Whatever amount of money it takes to be one of the 'important people' that is allowed to break the rules and carry anyway.

Whatever Donald Trump has I guess. :p You know he can pack in New Dork City if he wanted and no one will hassle him.

Seventhsword
October 12, 2004, 08:35 AM
None! :cool:

Model520Fan
October 12, 2004, 08:40 AM
Enough to move to a different place where I could carry.

Tell your buddy that probably nothing will ever happen, but if his wife or kids ever suffer the results of his not carrying, he may never forgive himself. He might also want to ask himself what kind of people he will be living with there, and whether he should be bringing up children in that milieu.

ZeroX
October 12, 2004, 08:58 AM
100 billion dollars.

hso
October 12, 2004, 09:10 AM
Whatever would be enough to pay for a professional body guard for the period in question. Say, $4,000,000.

Sistema1927
October 12, 2004, 09:13 AM
Some things are not for sale.

My honor.

My dignity.

My rights.

In fact, they are not even mine to sell, they belong to my children and grandchildren.

Greg L
October 12, 2004, 09:30 AM
Somewhat related...

Mrs. L & I were talking the other day about what it would take to get us to move back to Calif. (we're both originally from the Bay Area - went over the wall 20 years ago) We came to the agreement that we could endure it for two years if we were making mid to upper seven figures/year. After two years we could retire & escape with the kids to wherever we wanted to do whatever we wanted.

Anything less than that however & it ain't gonna happen :D .

MLH
October 12, 2004, 09:42 AM
Then it would make me a target and I would need a gun even more!:eek:

Smoke
October 12, 2004, 09:49 AM
Can I still own long guns? Can I still carry on my own land?

I spent the majority of my life without Concealed carry legislation, if we are talking simply the elimination of the CHL law....call it a cool 10 Million.

Smoke - the sellout

geekWithA.45
October 12, 2004, 10:04 AM
It would cost X + $1.00, where X is the amount of money required to develop, perfect, and commercially produce a handgun capable of sitting quietly in my gunsafe, and instantly teleport into my hand upon mental command.

Black Snowman
October 12, 2004, 10:10 AM
I'd say $5,000,000 would be a fair amount. It would allow me to afford personal protection of various sorts and hermit myself off somewhere that I could persue my various interests.

If it were possible, I'd gladly give up the right to carry (which is currently denied me anyway) to get rid of all the bad drivers on the road :uhoh:

RWK
October 12, 2004, 10:12 AM
My life and my freedom, and those of my loved ones, is priceless! No sale, under any circumstances.

S Roper
October 12, 2004, 10:33 AM
I guess I'm not as principled as most here! I'd do it for about $50,000. I mean we're talking about the remote chance that I'll need a gun on my person versus the guarantee of a significant sum of money.

Grey54956
October 12, 2004, 10:36 AM
$15 Billion...

Enough to buy an island in the S. Pacific, declare myself an independant state, buy every gun under the sun I want and put a big Molon Labe bill board over my house.

Why carry when you can dot your property with crew served machine guns?

Pilgrim
October 12, 2004, 11:00 AM
Then I realized that anyone you can hire to protect you, can be hired by someone else not to protect you.
You are fortunate. Unlike Indira Gandhi, you discovered this fact early in life.

Pilgrim

In the second, post-Emergency, period of her Prime Ministership, Indira Gandhi was preoccupied by efforts to resolve the political problems in the state of Punjab. In her attempt to crush the secessionist movement of Sikh militants, led by Jarnail Singh Bindranwale, she ordered an assault upon the holiest Sikh shrine in Amritsar, called the "Golden Temple". It is here that Bindranwale and his armed supporters had holed up, and it is from the Golden Temple that they waged their campaign of terrorism not merely against the Government, but against moderate Sikhs and Hindus. "Operation Bluestar", waged in June 1984, led to the death of Bindranwale, and the Golden Temple was stripped clean of Sikh terrorists; however, the Golden Temple was damaged, and Mrs. Gandhi earned the undying hatred of Sikhs who bitterly resented the desacralization of their sacred space. In November of the same year, Mrs. Gandhi was assassinated, at her residence, by two of her own Sikh bodyguards, who claimed to be avenging the insult heaped upon the Sikh nation.

Zundfolge
October 12, 2004, 11:04 AM
$10 million ... $100 million ... whatever ...concealed is concealed ... I'll take the money and still carry so :neener:

LASur5r
October 12, 2004, 11:43 AM
This is an issue that my family and I have discussed on many an occasion.

I cannot give up my right to defend myself or my family. I have been in many fights most of my life...I have been in the martial arts for some 46 years. A gun is a tool....much more efficient in being a crime preventer than a 3" knife and my feet, unless I can run faster.

On my job, after one guy got busted for taking a $500 bribe, I thought of what I would be willing to take to "look the other way." After all I am human and I do have my price.

I am presently a building inspector.

Shortly after that time, I was "tested" by a man that owns a high end car dealership. With little hesitation I wrote out thirty years of my pay plus a top of the line Mercedes sports car. The gentleman trying to get me to look the other way ws putting out feelers. He looked at my amount and said, "You're kidding." I said no, but obviously he was.

I can always find another job. I don't believe that I would trade my wife or my daughter if some perp decides to abduct either one of them and I had a chance to prevent that. Both my wife and daughter carry also. They both have had situations where they felt their life was in danger and each time, a gun prevented that from happening.

They are both petite. (5'1" tall)...their size is not imposing.

What do you think? Sorry, I don't have a price for my "precious commodities."

KRAUTGUNNER
October 12, 2004, 11:52 AM
How much would be considered fair in your opinion?

About 1.000.000.000 $!

With that much money I would buy a small island somewhere in the Pacific and make my own firearms law.

That law would be the shortest in human history:

THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ALL KINDS OF ARMS, INCLUDING FIREARMS AND ENERGY WEAPONS, SHALL NEVER BE INFRINGED:

JonnyB
October 12, 2004, 12:30 PM
Not very much at all. Every day, I sell out to my employer, as 'deadly weapons' are prohibited at work.

Those here who live or work in Chicago or D.C. are guilty as well.

JB

jefnvk
October 12, 2004, 01:45 PM
Suffice it to say that if it were inevitable, and I got money or nothing, Bill Gates would have some company at the top of Forbes richest men's list :cool:

And remember, those of you saying that you would hire guards, that to them, their life is probably more valuable to them then yours.

R.H. Lee
October 12, 2004, 01:57 PM
I'd take the money then welch on the deal and carry anyway.

Oh, forgot the question about how much. I dunno. Make an offer. I'll take it.

lee n. field
October 12, 2004, 02:16 PM
A moot point in Illinois.

cordex
October 12, 2004, 02:33 PM
I could do it for a few billion happily

Low end would be 5 million. With any luck I've got a lot of life ahead of me, and a wonderful woman to spend it with. Situations where a disheveled, unfriendly and disreputable-looking guy such as myself just gets ignored or dirty looks can get a little more complicated when I'm accompanying my beautiful and outgoing companion. $5,000,000 would give me options that could let me avoid such situations by and large.

444
October 12, 2004, 03:04 PM
"A moot point in Illinois."
Actually, it might not be. IF and I repeat IF, the only reason you stay in that state or a state with similar gun laws is because that is where you work and the job is worth staying there for you.

As for me, I am not a real social animal. If I got enough to live comfortably where I wanted, I would take the money and run. For me, this would be somewhere well off the beaten track where I could do the things I like to do and not worry about what other people think about it. In other words, a rural area. The money would be my average wage based on my last three year average for the rest of the time I have to work until retirement, plus my pension based on the average life expectency of people in MY familty (my grandmothers died at 98 and 101). I would guestimate the number to be inexcess of 10 million dollars.
At that point I would still carry long guns in my pickup truck rear window, which wouldn't be an issue in rural America.

mcneill
October 12, 2004, 03:27 PM
quote:
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My initial answer is, "There is no amount of money that could replace my right to carry a firearm for my safety and the safety of my family."

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That was my initial thought also, but if I was presented with a suitcase with $100,000,000 would I be able to turn it down? Don't know, but probably not.

Jim

Standing Wolf
October 12, 2004, 04:52 PM
My civil rights are non-negotiable. I'm carrying, anyway.

AK103K
October 12, 2004, 05:18 PM
$10 million ... $100 million ... whatever ...concealed is concealed ... I'll take the money and still carry so :neener:
I agree. Take anything they offer and give them back their piece of paper and carry on. :)
You dont have any right to carry unless you live in Vermont, they are the only ones who still have rights, at least at home. Everywhere else, you need to ask someones permission.

spacemanspiff
October 12, 2004, 05:36 PM
one million dollars!!!


huh? what?

oh......


one HUNDRED BILLION dollars!!!!

now wheres that evil similie at?

:neener:

Linux&Gun Guy
October 12, 2004, 06:35 PM
50 million. With some smart investing and whatnot I could get

Armored cars
Body gaurds of the best quality
Friggen laser beam on my head:neener:

gazpacho
October 12, 2004, 08:32 PM
1) Enough money to buy God and keep him bought. I figure if I got God protecting me, I won't need a gun.

2) Enough to buy me the Presidency of the United States for life. Yeah, I'd have people gunning for me, but atleast As President I'd have fairly good protection.

#1 would be just fine. #2 would do in a pinch.

Nathaniel Firethorn
October 12, 2004, 10:27 PM
Mu.

- pdmoderator

The_Antibubba
October 13, 2004, 02:42 AM
So let's say I get my $300 million. Without the means to protect myself, how do I prevent it being taken right back?

Freedoms are G-d given. They cannot be bought or sold.

Kaxter
October 13, 2004, 03:36 AM
$100,000 dollars.

Ya, I know you guys will all think thats terrible...but if someone offered me $100,000 in cash, I would do it in a heartbeat.

gbelleh
October 13, 2004, 09:57 AM
I'd sell my right to carry for $50,000,000. Then I'd build a compound and share the money with my family and closest friends and buy them all the awesome hardware they've ever wanted. They would act as my security, if needed, when I leave the compound.

myrockfight
October 13, 2004, 10:23 AM
I know, I know. I would take 50 million or billion or something in between. But I really need to know:

How much money would be considered reasonable by another or a group of people?

Automatix
October 13, 2004, 10:28 AM
correct its insane......................:fire:

My heart and soul are not for sale.....................they are AMERICAN:D :D :D

BeSafe,StayFree;
Automatix

YodaVader
October 13, 2004, 11:14 AM
Ya, I know you guys will all think thats terrible...but if someone offered me $100,000 in cash, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Are we are talking about not carrying a concealed gun anymore? And that is it. It would not be a big deal for me as well - count me in.

To say I can't own or shoot guns , that is a different story. But to all those here who say it would take hundreds of millions to stop carrying :rolleyes: Yeah , sure , I believe you.

Sistema1927
October 13, 2004, 11:40 AM
I hope that I don't get in trouble for this:

Man walks into a bar, and engages a pretty young gal in conversation. After awhile he asks her, "Would you go to bed with me for a million dollars?". To which she replies, "Sure!".

Then he asks her, "Would you be willing to go to bed with me for twenty dollars?" This time she indignantly replies "What do you think I am?" He retorts with "We already know what you are, now we are negotiating the price."

Are you truly willing to give up your rights (and those of your children and grandchildren) for any amount of money? Good men have died that you might keep them, don't dishonor their sacrifice.

Model520Fan
October 13, 2004, 02:07 PM
Thank you, Sistema1927, for reminding us.

This question was originally raised over a real situation, undisclosed, which faced one of us or a friend of one of us. I answered based on my guess as to what the issue really was. I think that many of our answers, probably including mine, didn't address what was on the original poster's mind.

Would he care to comment?

AK103K
October 13, 2004, 02:11 PM
Are you truly willing to give up your rights (and those of your children and grandchildren) for any amount of money? Good men have died that you might keep them, don't dishonor their sacrifice.
We have already given them up. You have to ask someone in authority if its alright with them if you can carry your gun. They give you a "permit" and can take it away any time they like. So much for your rights. So if they want to give me some money and take back their "learner's permit", hey, I'll take their money. I already passed the test on how to carry concealed and will continue to do so, permit or not. :)

Moparmike
October 13, 2004, 09:22 PM
Just to carry concealed? Well, since I dont have my CCW yet, and 80% of the places I go on a daily basis have made it a felony to posess a firearm there, I cant say it would effect me much.



However, I still want my crack squad of minions protecting me, in their armored HMMWV's. Wait, that would be a little obvious. Keep that in reserve, and a few body guards around at all times.

Oh, and eleventy-bagillion dollars. *whispering* Oh, its not? Umm, ok. $500 billion, and the certainty that the economy will stay stable enough where its not more valueable as toilet paper (like Reichmarks). I could do a lot with 500billion. :evil:

myrockfight
October 13, 2004, 11:54 PM
This question was originally raised over a real situation, undisclosed, which faced one of us or a friend of one of us. I answered based on my guess as to what the issue really was. I think that many of our answers, probably including mine, didn't address what was on the original poster's mind.

Thanks 520.

No-one is really commenting on the second question:

"How much do you think you honestly could convince someone your right to carry is worth - in a dollar figure?"

This really is the more important of the two and I would greatly, greatly, appreciate your comments on this particular question.



BTW - I am not questioning the collective RIGHT of ours to carry. I am simply commenting on ONE person's carrying of a weapon lawfully. I would never question our rights in such a manner. This is in no way meant to demean our constitutional right, nor the sacrifice that those who fought in every war the citizens of our country ever fought in. My family has fought in all these wars and given many of its sons to uphold these rights. The effects of the sacrifices my family gave in WWII are very apparant to me and I can reference them daily.

unspellable
October 14, 2004, 07:11 PM
Well it gets practical here. I have to have $501 in cash on my person in order to comply with the conditions on my CCW permit. That $501 obviously is out of circulation as far as my spending money goes, so I guess that proves it's worth at least $501 to me.

(I didn't claim this condition made any sense.)

Little Loudmouth
October 14, 2004, 07:45 PM
I'm not old enough to carry, but if I did, my answer would be enough to get me a one-way plane ticket to somewhere I could carry.

aquapong
October 15, 2004, 12:11 AM
There are a few things in my life that are not for sale and personal control over my day to day security is one of them.

Dionysusigma
October 15, 2004, 04:15 AM
$45.00... the price of a carton of Dunhills.

I don't have a right to carry, nor the privelige. Supposedly I'm not "old" enough.

To quote a hero,

"It ain't the years, honey. It's the mileage."

Suppose I'll just have to enjoy my right to smoke.

38SnubFan
October 15, 2004, 05:24 AM
The answer is:

NO! NO! NO! NO!

and, "NO!"

No amount of money. Quit wasting my time! That is not negotiable.

You could give me an infinite amount of money - I'm not giving up my gun, and I'm not giving up my right to protect myself and my loved ones.

When I purchased my gun and obtained my PA License To Carry Firearms, I vowed that I would carry legally, responsibly, and proudly. If my life or the life of another is in imminent danger of ending at the hands of another human being, I would exercise my right - with dignity and without hesitation! That is my solemn oath to the Lord Almighty.

Those who state they would be willing to "sell out" that right, for any amount of money; in my opinion, is a disgrace to themselves, their family/loved ones, their country, and to the Second Amendment.

Sorry, but I stand my ground on this opinion!

-38SnubFan

AK103K
October 15, 2004, 06:32 AM
Those who state they would be willing to "sell out" that right, for any amount of money; in my opinion, is a disgrace to themselves, their family/loved ones, their country, and to the Second Amendment.
But you already have sold your rights, and for the measly $20 the PA permit costs. If we really had rights, we wouldnt need the permit, now would we? Also keep in mind, the permit is a form of gun registration, so they have control of both the "keep and bear" parts. Since a number here scream they would never "sell" their rights, how many will surrender their permits and stop carrying when told to do so by the "state", at their whim? At this point, Vermont is the only state that actually respects its citizens by allowing them to be citizens and not subjects. Why dont we all get that respect?

artherd
October 16, 2004, 01:04 AM
Enough money to buy up ALL the bullets! :D)

In all seriousness, my goal is to be well stocked, in weapons, brains, and finances.

In that order.

stealthmode
October 16, 2004, 04:42 AM
1 hundred billion dollars that way i could start my own island country and make my own rules.

Slaytera666
October 16, 2004, 04:46 AM
$45.00... the price of a carton of Dunhills.

Jesus Christ, How can people afford to smoke?

seeker_two
October 16, 2004, 11:20 AM
Enough to fund a revolution to overthrow the government that even PROPOSES such an abomination... :fire:

YodaVader
October 16, 2004, 04:30 PM
If we really had rights, we wouldnt need the permit, now would we?

Absolutely correct. We would not have to have a background check , be fingerprinted and pay a fee if it was truly a "right" to carry concealed. Voting - I consider a right - did not have to be fingerprinted and pay a fee to vote.

The original question did not ask "How much to give up guns and your rights to own them?" If someone wants to give me a million bucks not to carry a concealed firearm - fine, I'll just take the money and buy more guns and a few cars and a new home. I like roof over my head and cars a lot better than guns anyway. My life is not based on the fact I can carry a concealed firearm everywhere I go. I can go about my daily business just fine without carrying a gun with me everywhere. I don't feel I am less a person because I do not carry a concealed firearm with me every time I leave the house. So , if someone wants to give me a great sum of money for giving up the "right " to carry - that would be my business , and since carrying a concealed gun has very little appeal to me it would not bother me to get paid not to carry. Would be analogous to someone saying "here is a million dollars , all you have to do is quit moose hunting." Fine , I don't hunt moose to begin with. Regardless , I am not holding my breath for that payoff.

Those who state they would be willing to "sell out" that right, for any amount of money; in my opinion, is a disgrace to themselves, their family/loved ones, their country, and to the Second Amendment.:rolleyes:

My loved ones could care less whether or not I carried a damn gun , even if I was being paid not to do it. Even my friends that own guns couldn't give a rat's behind if I carried a gun with me or not. Guns are not my life , my lifestyle is not based on guns - there are a hell of a lot more important things in life than carrying concealed guns.

NotQuiteSane
October 16, 2004, 09:34 PM
Adjusting for inflation (so it stays at "today's value):


127.34 Trillian per year, in gold


Ain't no :cuss: way i'd disarm.

NQS

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