Q? about scout scopes


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mcooper
October 12, 2004, 03:02 AM
I am considering having Savage make me a lefthanded scout rifle in 308win in the not too distant future and I was looking at scopes. I would also like to have the Barrel frefloated, if this isn't done @ the factory. ( http://www.steyrscout.org/savscout.htm#Field , go here to see) Which lead me to a problem. I understand that parralex will affect my poi vs poa at longer ranges UNLESS the scope can be adjusted for parrallex or has an adjustable objective lens. I would like to do long range shooing out to 600 yards (not hunting) and this would be a problem for me, at least I think it would. Is parralex a factor for scout scopes and IF so is there a scout scope that has an AO or parralex adjustment? Also 2-7x would be nice even though it wouldn't be quite in line with the scout scope specs because it would make longer shots easier to do, plus I could leave it at 2x for regular stuff. FYI I only intend on taking shots at game out to 200...maybe 300 yards if I get a long shot.


Also could I expect 1 to maybe 1.5 moa max for this rifle with 168 bthp ammo?

Thanks for your help:)

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mcooper
October 12, 2004, 03:29 AM
Also will a "scout scope" give me the same, better, or worse light transmission than your typical 3-9x40mm scope?

Jaeger
October 12, 2004, 06:19 AM
I have 2 Leupold Scout Scopes and use them regularly. I have never noticed a parallax issue with either one of them.
YOu could probably adapt a pistol scope with an AO if you really wanted to but I think you would only be adding weight and complexity without gaining any tangible benefits. Especially with your 200-300 yard limitation.

If you are going through Savage's custom shop I would consider asking them to use an XS Sight Systems Scout base instead of the BSquare that used to come on their production rifles. A friend of mine has a Savage scout and has had a few stability issues with the mount. They were fixed with lock tite and haven't seemed to have been a problem since but it would still be a point of concern with me. The XS base is rock solid and has nothing to loosen up or knock out of allignment.

Jaeger
October 12, 2004, 06:20 AM
Light transmission and optical quality with the Leupolds are excellant!

mcooper
October 12, 2004, 01:39 PM
A problem with the B-square mount like you discussed would really suck. I am not familier with that particular you mentioned (the XS Sight Systems Scout base) do you have a link to it and does it interfere with the reciever mounted sight?

Though I'm only probably only shooting out to 300 yards tops in Ms where I hunt, I will be shooting it out to 500 or 600 yards a good bit. and if I ever go hunting big game that shooting range could be 400yds.

mcooper
October 12, 2004, 09:28 PM
Also does the Savage Scout Rifle come with a free floated barrel, and are the savage scout stocks ok? I hear complaints about their stocks.

Jaeger
October 13, 2004, 12:03 AM
XS Sight Systems Scout Mount (http://www.expresssights.com/catscout.html)

I believe that the barrel is free floated. If not that is an easy fix. Savages synthetic stocks do have a lot of flex to them. They are adaquate. You can always upgrade later. See what options their custom shop has to offer.

hillbilly
October 13, 2004, 12:10 AM
If you want to shoot out to 600 yards, then the scout scope is probably not the scope you want.

The reticle on scout scopes is very thick, and will probably completely obscure any target you might put it on at that distance.

Scout rifles are for quick hits on "deer" sized targets out to 300, or quick hits on moving targets within that zone.

Shooting out past 300 is certainly possible with a scout scope, but that's not what it is designed for.


hillbilly

Preacherman
October 13, 2004, 08:27 AM
Hillbilly nailed it. I have two Leupold Scout scopes and a couple of handgun EER scopes mounted on several rifles, and they're unquestionably short- to medium-range optics. For longer-range stuff, go for a conventional scope.

Master Blaster
October 13, 2004, 09:50 AM
The problem with going for a conventional optic on a scout rifle is that the scope is forward mounted, that means rather than 2-4" from your eye like a normal rifle scope, its mounted 6-10" from your eye. Normal rifle scopes have 3-5 inches of eye relief at best, so they wont work in a forward mount.

That means you need a really long eye relief scope, like a scout scope or a handgun scope, and the problem with one of those is its designed for short range shooting, with low power and parallax adjusted for 25-70 yards as I understand it. Consistent cheek weld and position of your head being the same everytime becomes critical at longer ranges, due to the parallax error.

mcooper
October 14, 2004, 01:40 PM
Ok, I liked the idea of a lefthanded 308 boltaction, w/iron sights, detachable mags, and a forward scope BUT I want something that I can use to reliably hit torso sized targets at 500 (at least 90% of the time) yards.

With parralex issues and what is described as a thick recticle (crosshairs) this doesn't sound like what I want, If I could get a scope with intermediate eye relief and adjustable parralex that was a 1-4x scope. Then I could have exactly what I wanted.

Alas the trials and tribulations of a lefthanded gun owner:banghead:

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