[patentmike]

"Field & Stream: What's the biggest deer you ever killed?

Kerry: Probably an 8-pointer, something like that. Nothing terribly big. I once had an incredible encounter with the most enormous buck -- I don't know, 16 points or something. It was just huge. And I failed to pull the trigger at the right moment. I was hunting down in Massachusetts, on the Cape."

The biggest deer ever killed in Mass was a 12 pointer.

[Dave R]

Can you really hunt on the cape?

Are there really deer on the cape?

[halvey]

What an oaf.

The guy even lies about his "hunting".

[Hawkmoon]

The biggest deer ever killed in Mass was a 12 pointer.
Well, of course. Because Skerry missed the bigger one. :p

[armoredman]

Anything he says is a lie. Anything he does is false. Any person who is his friend is duped, and being set up to take the fall. Any person who votes for him is duped, and setting us all up to take the fall....:fire:

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

Kerry is a complete phony and an obvious pathalogical liar. He will lie even when the simple truth would benefit him more.

To a pathalogical liar like Kerry, the truth is like gold, something to be hoarded at all cost and spent very dearly.

Why do these psychologically damaged losers always seem to gravitate to the political left in general, and the Democratic party in particular?

[BTR]

This is the article that claimed he had a chinese assault rifle. Now, claimed to have been written by an ignorant staffer.

[shermacman]

In answer to the question: "Are there any deer on the Cape?"
Yes! They are like rats with cloven hooves. Something like 45 per square mile! However, Jean Fraud Kerry claims that he hunts them with decoys (totally illegal) while crawling around on his belly, no doubt with his $35,000 Perazzi over/under trap gun...

He claims, but can't provide details, of bagging an eight point buck. An eight point buck here in Eastern Massachusetts would be a big deal. A sixteen point buck might exist near the outflow of Plymouth Nuclear Power Plant, but no where else.

He is a pathological liar. Dangerous because of his power. You people out there who are pissed at Bush have no idea what you will be faced with if Jean Fraud Kerry get elected. You have to vote!

[ID_shooting]

"What an oaf.

The guy even lies about his "hunting"."

LOL, heck don't we all tend to lie about our hunting and fishing

:D

[jdkelly]

The biggest deer ever killed in Mass was a 12 pointer.---PatentMike

Mike,

Was that the heaviest buck or the buck with the most points and what 's your source?


Respectfully,

jdkelly

[patentmike]

In the proper setting, some people might tell stretchers, but asked point blank about the biggets deer you ever got, wouldn't you know if it was an 8 pointer or not? Also, the claim to have seen a 16 pointer indicates that he has no idea what he is talking about.

[patentmike]

The caption says 10, but the littel side bar says 12.

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.com/trophybucks/ng_aa073303a/

[Joe Demko]

Why do these psychologically damaged losers always seem to gravitate to the political left in general, and the Democratic party in particular?

Because the Republican Party is full.

[Lobotomy Boy]

Not to defend Kerry because I agree with the general opinion of him, but I think id_shooter is right--everyone I know fudges the truth when it comes to telling hunting and fishing stories. 100 yards becomes 300 yards after the deer has been hauled in from the field, an 18-inch walleye becomes a 25-inch walleye after it's been fried and consumed, and 4-point racks often become 8-pointers in the retelling.

For the record, I've never shot a full-grown buck. I've always shot does or young bucks because I prefer the meat.

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

Because the Republican Party is full.


No, moral relativism fails in this case. The Republicans are far better than the Democrats in terms of honesty in politics.

You can't convince me that there is any comparable group of Republican psychological basket cases who will lie about an issue en banc like the Democrats constantly lie about the 2nd Amendment.

There's no group of Republicans comparable to, for example:

Feinstein
Schumer
Reed
Boxer
Clinton
Kennedy
Kerry
Pelosi
etc.

[Joe Demko]

A little history of Republicans and Honesty: I'll stick with just the Presidents for relative brevity. This should not be construed as evidence that Democrats are any more honest than their Republican partners in statism.



Abraham Lincoln- by many standards a tyrant and indisputably a liar and manipulator.

Andrew Johnson- Impeached. A drunkard.

Ulysses S. Grant- one of the most crooked administrations in US history.

Warren G. Harding- Teapot Dome Scandal

Rutherford Hayes- voting "irregularities" led to his being POTUS.

James Garfield- Credit Mobilier scandal.

Chester A Arthur- fired from his post in NY as Customs Collector due to widespread theft by the many cronies he hired.

Have to go. Will do the late 19th and 20th centuries later.

[Baba Louie]

They All lie to some degree. Nature of the Beast being in Wash DC/Politics and all.
Expect it. Deal with it. Drive on.
My favorite (and I loved Reagan as Pres)
After opining in August 1980 that “trees cause more pollution than automobiles do,” Reagan arrived at a campaign rally to find a tree decorated with this sign: “Chop me down before I kill again.”
“In England, if a criminal carried a gun, even though he didn’t use it, he was tried for first-degree murder and hung if he was found guilty,” Ronald Reagan claimed in April 1982. When informed that the story was “just not true,” White House spokesman Larry Speakes said, “Well, it’s a good story, though. It made the point, didn’t it?” Reagan repeated the story again on March 21, 1986 during an interview with The New York Times.
“We did not–repeat, did not–trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we,” Reagan proclaimed in November 1986. Four months later, on March 4, 1987, Reagan admitted in a televised national address, “A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.”
Or Nixon's "I am not a crook" Guess it depends on your definition of "Crook"

Even the sainted Harry Truman told the US/World that Hiroshima was an important military target.

At least, in this one case, Kerry is lying about something basically harmless... 16 point buck... :rolleyes: Ahhhh, the one that got away.

[moa]

Grant was supposed to be drunkard too. When Lincoln was told of this he suggested that each of his other generals get a keg of Grant's hooch. Grant was a winner on the battlefield. The other Federal generals were not for the most part.

[moa]

Right, and FDR promised in 1940 elections American boys would not be going to war overseas when FDR was ramping up for war and the draft.

FDR knew his actions with Lend/Lease and embargos against Japan would most likely increase the chances for war with Germany, Japan and Italy. FDR publically said that American would become the "Arsenal of Democracy".

[OF]

There is a difference between telling stories about your hunting trips and living a life that is nothing but slanderous lie after slanderous lie. The man is a pathological liar. This isn't some little hunting fib. The guy is without morals. He has no principles, he is incapable of telling the truth. his entire life is a falsehood and a construction. He is an utter fraud.

He will do and say anything to gain the presidency. Anything.

- Gabe

[Harry Tuttle]

Why doesn't the senator from Massachusetts own a fine New England Colt or a Bushmaster?

Maybe he should be presented with one at a political function.

The Kerry quote appears on Page 82 of the October issue of Outdoor Life. In that comment, the senator states, "My favorite gun is the M-16 that saved my life and that of my crew in Vietnam. I don't own one of those now, but one of my reminders of my service is a Communist Chinese assault rifle."


It is his favorite.

[shermacman]

Well, we are well versed in our American history. Now let's see if we can pin all those rascally Republican liars down tonight in the debate. Challenge Grant and Andrew Johnson on their drinking, Warren Harding on the realities behind Tea Pot Dome, etc. etc.

Or we could focus on the pending reality of this November election, as in this year, as in right now. They may all have lied in the past. But we have a potential DemocRAT nominee who is busy lying about absolutely everything, right now.

[Joe Demko]

Whereas GWB has been a model of honesty.
Please.
You've got a tough row to hoe if you are going to convince me that one of the two Big Parties is, as a group, more honest than the other or that the two Big Party candidates for POTUS are other than lying scoundrels.
Democrats and Republicans alike have displayed to my satisfaction that they have no other goal than obtaining and consolidating power. No matter how much you might like to think otherwise, GWB and JFK have far more in common with each other than either of them does with you.
I'll finish my list of Republican Presidents as Paragons of Honesty a little later tonight.

[shermacman]

OK, no attempt to portray one party as more honest than another. But as far as the individuals, George W's lies are less dangerous than Jean Kerry's. Does that work? In other words, I am more afraid of Kerry's appeasement to the UN, his love of high taxes, his fear of the Bill of Rights. I do like your list of dishonest presidents, but I think that for the most part, our government works pretty well. I have just plain had it up to my eyeballs with John Eff'n Kerry.

[jdkelly]

PatentMike,

Thanks for the link to the Mass record whitetail.

That rack is huge for a whitetail. Of couse this doesn't prove that Kerry was lying (I think he was myself).


Respectfully,

jdkelly

[Joe Demko]

Warren G Harding- crooked administration again. Appointed cronies to federal positions from which they lined their pockets. Teapot Dome and Elk Hill oil reserves at the center of it.

Dwight D Eisenhower- displayed a startling lack of character when he left his former boss and mentor General George Marshall twisting in the wind when Marshall was attacked by Joe McCarthy.

Richard Nixon- notably crooked, starting when he was Vice-president under Ike. During his own administration his dishonesty destroyed the American people's faith in their government so badly it has never been restored. Resigned in disgrace.

Ronald Reagan- another crooked administration (remember the indictments of Michael Deaver, Lyn Nofziger, and 200 others?), Iran-Contra scandal, lied to Congress, the HUD scandal, Debategate. Gave us the phrase "Mistakes were made."

George HW Bush- involved in Iran-Contra as VP, as President he pardoned a pant-load of his coconspirators in that affair.

George W Bush- we go over him every day here at THR, no need to regurgitate it all here.

I could as easily make a list just as long with Democratic presidents and their wrongdoings, but every day is a free-fire on Democrats day at THR, so I won't bother. The point of my putting this up is to remind everybody that the Republicans are no more honest than their "opponents."

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

I could as easily make a list just as long with Democratic presidents and their wrongdoings, but every day is a free-fire on Democrats day at THR, so I won't bother. The point of my putting this up is to remind everybody that the Republicans are no more honest than their "opponents."


You still haven't made your case. All you have done is trot out a long list of complaints about Republican Presidents, many of them very dubious complaints.

You still cannot seem to list a bloc of present day Republicans who consistently lie about a distinct issue like gun control, and vote repeatedly year-in and year-out to support their dishonest positions.

Again, where is the bloc of Republican liars comprable to Democrat notables such as:

Lautenberg
Schumer
Kennedy
Barnes
Kerry
Boxer
Feinstein
Clinton
Mikluski
Sarbanes
Gore
Clinton
Reed
Frank
McCarthy
Daley
Davis
Moran
etc.

...each and every one of whom has steadfastly maintained that the now dead AWB affected automatic weapons, for just one example of their constant lying about this issue.

Again, all is NOT relative in American politics. The Republican party, bad as it is, does not sink to the level of the Democrats in this way.

[OF]

Of couse this doesn't prove that Kerry was lying You know how you know Kerry is lying, John? His lips are moving. ;)

- Gabe

PS: That would be funnier if it wasn't so true...

[Joe Demko]

CHL,

You made a blanket statement regarding the honesty of Democrats vs. Republicans. My response is that both parties are full of corrupt liars and I gave you a list of dishonest Republicans who achieved the highest office in the land to illustrate that. My point is made; if you choose not to accept it, then all I can add is "Have a nice day and enjoy your kool-aide.":)

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

Joe Demko

CHL,

You made a blanket statement regarding the honesty of Democrats vs. Republicans. My response is that both parties are full of corrupt liars and I gave you a list of dishonest Republicans who achieved the highest office in the land to illustrate that. My point is made; if you choose not to accept it, then all I can add is "Have a nice day and enjoy your kool-aide."


No, I made a second post that you are conveniently ignoring, which specifically asked you to name a bloc of contemporary Republican liars, here it is again:

I wrote:

No, moral relativism fails in this case. The Republicans are far better than the Democrats in terms of honesty in politics.

You can't convince me that there is any comparable group of Republican psychological basket cases who will lie about an issue en banc like the Democrats constantly lie about the 2nd Amendment.

There's no group of Republicans comparable to, for example:

Feinstein
Schumer
Reed
Boxer
Clinton
Kennedy
Kerry
Pelosi
etc.


Where did I drag in Democrats from decades past, like the drug-addict philanderer Jack Kennedy, the thief and liar LBJ, etc?

Again, you still haven't made your case.

[shermacman]

Gotta agree with Luke.
Even if both parties are full of liars, for the most part DemocRATs and Liberals lie for personal advantage. I know that there have been plenty of Republicans (John McCain comes to mind) who have also lied for personal gain. But for the most part, lying is for DemocRATs. And they lie with our money to get control over our money. For the most part Republicans support freedom and opportunity, not dictators, slavery and welfare plantations. Reagan's 'lie' about the Contras was to steal money from Islamo-Fascists to kill Latin American communist thugs. I don't want to rationalize it, but we are up against an awful lot of DemocRATs.
Just because Jean Fraud Kerry gets slammed here doesn't mean that we need a balanced position from somewhere else. The entire media empire is twisted the other way.