Can someone tell me more about the VEPR in .223? What kind of magazine it uses?
Also, I assume the VEPR's are fair more accurate than the AK's.. If not, I won't even consider them... What kind of MOA am I looking at?
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October 15, 2004, 06:39 AM
Robinson Armament is the importer/modifier. Official VEPR site is http://www.ak47.com .
Mags used are .223 AK mags, which are theoretically modified AK-74 mags.
Accuracy is reported to be within 2-3 MOA offhand. I've seen groups that were 2 MOA, compared to an AK's standard 4.
October 15, 2004, 11:27 AM
Sub 2 MOA easy. I get sub 2 MOA out of my 7.62x39 version. The .223 tends to do better because of the better ammo selection. I know a few people locally who get MOA with theirs. My next rifle is going to be a .223 Vepr.
The most common magazines are the AK74 mags with a different follower. Though now that the AWB has gone away I've heard that there will be actual .223 mags coming in, as well as new Bulgarian .223 waffle mags.
If this is for the criteria that you brought up earlier, the one downside is that the Vepr is heavy for a .223. Personally I like them a lot. Very solid, very reliable, very simple. Currently they are my favorite rifle.
October 15, 2004, 11:39 AM
Do you happen to know what the twist rate is on the .223 VEPRs?
October 15, 2004, 11:44 AM
Do the VEPR's fire control parts interchgange with use the 'standard' semi-auto AK fire control stuff, or are they different (a la the Saiga's)?
October 15, 2004, 12:17 PM
I hate to be the guy who poo-poos all over ya... BUT..
After reading the "Ultimate Shotgun" thread..
I have to ask, "2MOA in YOUR hands, or mine??" :D If it's 2MOA in your hands, it's gonna be 4MOA in mine...
just kiddin', based on the strength of your recommendation, I will give it a hearty look. It looks like weight is the only downside..
How's reliability? Solid as a rock I assume?
What about hi-cap magazine availability? Ease of pointability? Those are the things I can't read about on websites... and will need help in. The specs, I can find those...
I have to admit, the M1Carbine is the most pointable rifle I've ever tried...
October 15, 2004, 12:26 PM
Reliability will be as reliable as any semi auto can be. Can it jam yes. Is it likely no.
The VEPR is most likely going to be too heavy and not balence well for a small framed female. That an your basic AK sights are it's only drawbacks and the sights are an easy fix.
Magazines are easy enough to get and are built much better than any AR magazine I have ever seen.
The VEPR's front end weight makes it little slow to point but keeps that muzzle down when shooting strings.
My two cents.
October 15, 2004, 12:26 PM
I have not owned a .223 Vepr myself yet, so I'm just going off of my knowledge of the other calibers I do own, and the other .223 Veprs that are owned by my friends. (there are a lot of them around here, but it is a local company).
I don't know the twist rate on the .223. It probably says it on the webpage. I seem to recall 1/9, but I'm not sure on that.
The trigger parts interchange with a regular AK.
Twoblink, I'm actually not that good of a pure accuracy/bench rest shooter. I lack the patience. My tastes run more towards 3gun than bench rest. So lots of rounds with decent accuracy fast. :) In somebody like Steve Smith's hands, then you see what real accuracy is. Me, I'm just average.
The stock sights do not lend themselves to real good accuracy, since they are standard AK buckhorns. I hate buckhorns. I'm running Krebs A2 dustcover sights now for irons. Much nicer.
Twoblink, really you are going to need to get your hands on one to play with to see how it fits you. It is a heavy gun, and it feels a whole lot different than the M1 Carbine. I'm assuming from these recent threads that you are coming back to the states soon. This is definately a gun you need to play with first before ordering.
However if it fits you, I can't recommend them highly enough. I really like mine.