M-94 Winchester--Who uses them?


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LAH
October 16, 2004, 04:45 PM
I have a M-94. It's one of the last Pre-64's to come off the line. I've had it a few years and guess it's my most used centerfire rifle. All the blue is gone from the receiver and the barrel is somewhat faded. The wood has some varnish left. I replaced the rear sight with a Lyman 66.

My standard load is RCBS 30-180-FN and 22 grs. of IMR 3031. This does 1600 fps. I site the gun dead on at 100 yards. I've only taken two whitetail bucks with this bullet but both were one shot kills.

I bulk load 30-30 ammo and shoot it for a fun gun. It also makes a fine truck gun. I know some places require a flatter shooting arm but here in the hollow it works fine. Though I must use some hold over it will stay on my 300 yard rock.

Anyone use a 94 as an every day rifle?

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45shooter
October 16, 2004, 05:13 PM
I carried one for many years in my truck as my "ranch" and "traveling" gun. I kept it loaded with Remington 150gr JSP. In recent years it's role was replaced with a Remington 870 with slugs and OO buck shots.

Jim K
October 16, 2004, 07:08 PM
"M-94 Winchester--Who uses them?"

Somebody must. There have been over 5 million of them made and a whooole lot are out there right now.

Jim

cracked butt
October 16, 2004, 09:06 PM
I bought one from a friend (94 carbine in 30-30) for $100, used it for a year, then sold it back to him for the same amount of money. In retrospect, selling the rifle was one of the most foolish things I've done. I sold it because I wasn't impressed with its accuracy, but the next year I started using a Remington 700 wich was too much gun and too much weight to carry around in the thick woods where I hunt. The winchester 94 was the perfect gun for where I hunt, bu t I didn't realize it until too late.:(

joegerardi
October 16, 2004, 09:53 PM
The M94 was my first-ever rifle purchase, and just a month and a half ago. After years of only semi-auto pistols, I thought it time to get into long guns, and the 94 was the logical choice for a first. Mine is a 1968 model that I got for $179.00, and I love the damn thing. I don't hunt - it's just a range rifle for me - so I wish ammo was a bit cheaper, (I don't reload) but I still love the thing. In retrospect, now I'm kinda sorry that I vacillated on a 1903-made model 92 at the gun show last week to add to the collection., but I made up for it by getting an M1 Carbine and an AR15 instead.

..Joe

Blue Line
October 16, 2004, 10:05 PM
Lots of deer have fallen for that 94. I know my first deer feel to my Dad's Win 94 of about 1957 manufacture. Both my brothers have taken deer with that gun also. I remember as kids we thought we were on Bonanza or Gunsmoke whenever Dad let us handle it. I know back home in the Mtn State that Thurty-Thurty shells are easy to come by just about anywhere. I missed having one in my collection so I bought one last year that was made around 1905 and it shoots like a dream. I also love the sound of working that action, I guess just like the sound of an 870, some sounds you just get attached too.

DHart
October 17, 2004, 03:51 AM
Oh man.. these are wonderful lever rifles and priced just great. Of course I must state that I am a lever rifle fanatic... I love them. My favorites are Winchester 92's (and their variants, Mirokus, Navy/EMF/Rossi), Winchester 94's, and Marlin 1894s.

I just bought two new Winchester 94's, both Trappers. First I got one in .44 magnum, which I loved so much that I bought the second 94 Trapper in .45 Colt. They're all USA made, excellent fit and finish, very fine walnut stocks... just beautifully done. I recommend them highly, especially in the big bore calibers. Bought my Trappers for around $350 apiece from Sportsman's Warehouse. Best mid-three hundred dollar firearms I've ever purchased.

Winchester '94 16" Trapper - .44 Magnum
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Win94Trapper.jpg

The Trapper size (16" barrel) is really appealing (unless you must have a long range rifle). They are really handy, nimble, quick to shoulder, swing easily, great for close quarters, in the brush, etc. Excellent for defense and hunting at closer ranges. I use mine for home acreage defense, plinking, camp/truck rifle, and just plain old admiring. ;)

Did I mention the gorgeous walnut? :D

lwsimon
October 17, 2004, 05:42 AM
I jsut bought one for my granpa for his 83rd birthday. I figure we didn't have too many more deer seasons together, and he's watned one forever, so i went out and found a VERY dirty one at a pawn shop for $129. Took it home, presented it to him, and spent the next 7 hours taking the gun down and and cleaning/oiling every part. By the end, we were both covered in BreakAway and Rem Oil, had a new-looking(and shooting) gun, and most important, we were both grinning ear to ear :)

So yeah, I do like the '94s :)

Delmar
October 17, 2004, 06:59 AM
I just bought one for my granpa for his 83rd birthday

What a cool thing to do-tip of the hat to you sir, and I hope you have many, many seasons to enjoy the rifle and him.

straightShot
October 17, 2004, 07:34 AM
Yep, my 30-30 is lightweight, easy to handle and carry in the woods, and it is dependable. The finish is getting a little worn, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

m14nut
October 17, 2004, 08:58 AM
Not just the '94, but any lever!

I am slowly disintergrating my rifle collection to become all levers.

You either love them or hate them, there really is no in between.
Here's a site that really focuses on the lever rifle.

The company is Beartooth Bullets, and they make probably the best HANDMADE hardcast leads I've ever shot!
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/
They also run a great shooters forum, chock full of info in all walks of guns. Try them for some info!
http://shootersforum.com/

Rupestris
October 17, 2004, 11:53 AM
Guilty as charged.
My 30-30 94 is my only centerfire rifle. I bought it two years ago from a guy who was just not a lever-gun guy. He bought it, put some Weaver rings and a scope on it, sighted it in with less than a box of ammo, took it deer hunting once and came up empty.
He sold it to me for $175 with the rings, and about 24 rounds of Rem 170 grain's. :D It s a early 90's production in like new condition.
Since then I've put a Simmons 3-9X Deerfield on it and have put maybe 100 rounds through it. I love this little rifle!
My next mod will be to shed the scope. I like the fact that I can shoot 2.5" groups at 100 yards without a problem but a scope just doesn't suit the 94.
I'll be putting on a Williams peep sight right after this years deer season as I'm already dialed in and I doubt I'll get to the range soon.

What buggs me about the 94 is the fact that its so versatile. I look at new .308 bolt guns and think "Naaahh... My 94 is fine for deer here in MI."
I look at Saigas and think " ... my 94 will do as a fun plinker/HD (in a pinch) gun":rolleyes:

If anything the 94 has stopped me from buying more guns!:fire:
cs

Desert Dog
October 17, 2004, 01:28 PM
I have my father's 94 of 1953 manufacture. The gun was in severe disuse and neglect when he finally let me take it home (it was wrapped in a blanket and stuffed in a closet for YEARS). The argument that finally got him to relinquish it was if somebody broke into the house while they were on one of their many roadtrips in their class A motorhome... :scrutiny:

After a very long session of cleaning and removing surface rust, :uhoh: I have a pristine example of pre '64 Winchester workmanship. The fit and finish on the weapon is just stellar. The wood, a gorgeous walnut. I hold it up and compare it to my Rossi 454 and there is no comparison. Gun builders of old used to be real artists...

And the action and trigger is just as slick and smooth as it can be; and tight...

The only downfall to this aquisition is I have not been able to find a decent used reloading die set for 30-30... :rolleyes: I may have to break down and go buy a new set :uhoh: at Sportsman's Warehouse... :D

Another problem is I keep finding boxes of 30-30 ammunition in my basket when I do go to Sportsman's Warehouse... :rolleyes:

The gun is just a hoot to shoot, is a "death ray" out to 150 yards, and it brings me back to my days as a kid going deer hunting with this old slabsides in my hands... :D

Yeah, I got a '94... :D

sm
October 17, 2004, 01:46 PM
I was born in the South , what do you think? :D

On one's Birth Certificate it is clearly stated that the Lever Action in 30- 30 makes this birth legal . Mentions some other guns too...

Besides, 30-30 ctgs grow on the side of the roads down here....you gotta have one to shoot this "growth"....kept it to a mangable level and all. You buy a soda from a vending machine and get ctgs back as change....

My favorite is very sentimental. Model 94 in 30-30 of course. That one favors the 170 grainers.

As a rule there are not many absolutes in life. Some that do exist -

1) Don't let your wife or GF shoot a 28 ga. Shotgun- it'll cost you.
2) Don't let a person shoot a lever action rimfire....because
3) That person will also buy a lever action in centerfire and you will be blamed.

:)

chickenfried
October 17, 2004, 01:50 PM
See what trouble a C&R license can get you in...
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/uploaded/thomjb/20049823283_Dsc01011.jpg

m14nut
October 17, 2004, 02:44 PM
Here's a pic of just some of my sickness.....:p

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682422/1127617/69914695.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682422/1127617/69914685.jpg

From left to right:

Winnie 9422XTR, with factory 4x scope.
Winnie 94ae Trapper in 45colt.
1969 Winnie 94; 30-30 te.
1952 Marlin 336RC 35 Remington
Marlin 336CB in 38-55win.
Savage 99, series A in 308 win. Circa 1980's
Savage 99eg, 300savage. Circa 1951

Picking up a Marlin 1895 GS tomorrow...that the stainless 45-70 ported guide gun
:D :D :D

chickenfried
October 17, 2004, 03:21 PM
ooooh! nice way to display your leverguns, m14nut. So how do you figure out what gets put in the safe or the display case?

m14nut
October 17, 2004, 04:02 PM
Well most of the time it's levers, but other times it might be all U.S. military.
Other times, it's bolts. Some times shotties:D

That way, none of the long guns get jealous:neener:

Onmilo
October 17, 2004, 05:01 PM
Killed my very first deer with a model 94 in .30/30 caliber.
I don't own one now but really should.

WT
October 17, 2004, 06:42 PM
I was once talking to a Texan about using a Model 94 as a 'deer rifle' in Pennsylvania. He gave me the strangest look. Down in his part of the woods they call it a 'saddle rifle'. Once we got our definitions straight we had a fine old time talking about the 'thutty-thutty.'

pragmatic
October 27, 2004, 02:11 AM
m14nut

Thanks for the lever action posting site - I've been searching for just such a place
My gun collection is also disintegrating into lever action only
I have tried to stay with winchester's trappers but think I shall broaden my lines
What happened to the 9422 trapper line - I know is has been discontinued
but why?
:banghead:
I have the 22lr and the 22 mag
I am trying to figure out if I can buy the mach 2 in the 9422 (regular length) and have it modified to trapper specs.

DHart
October 27, 2004, 06:43 AM
oooooh... did someone mention Trappers? :eek:

pragmatic... they are one of my addictions.... so far these have come home with me:

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Winchester/Miroku '92 Ltd. 16" Trapper - .45 Colt
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Win92Trapper.jpg
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Winchester '94 16" Trapper - .44 Magnum
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Win94Trapper.jpg
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Legacy/Rossi '92 Ltd. 16" Trapper - .454 Casull
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Puma454.jpg
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Winchester '94 16" Trapper - .45 Colt
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Win94Trpr45.jpg

Sure do love Trappers!
:cool:

m14nut
October 27, 2004, 07:48 AM
It's not a Winnie, but a smooth Marlin Stainless guide gun in 45-70 followed me home last weekend!!!!!

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682422/1127617/71080730.jpg

1911Tuner
October 27, 2004, 08:38 AM
In this day of plastic furniture and evil box magazines, I'm probably considered by many of the tactical crowd to be something of a dinosaur.
I like lever-rifles in general, and the M-94 in particular.

Here you have Grandpa's old deer rifle...Visions of John Wayne fending off hordes of hostiles...generally saving the day and the damsel in distress.
It's neat, handy, powerful, accurate enough for its intended role, and not
nearly as likely to cause alarms to be sounded over the siting of one of those terrible assault weapons.

Locked within its design is the ability to shoot one/load one without taking it out of battery. I would much prefer to face a Mall Ninja armed with an AK-47 than have to go up against a 75 year-old farmer who "only" has an "obsolete", late 19th Century design such as the old reliable "Thutty-Thutty." Tactical Tommy will be more likely burn up his ammo too quickly
and frighten the horses while Farmer John is drawin' a bead on his chest and squeezin' off the shot.

Add that to the availability of ammunition practically everywhere in the continental U.S. at half the cost of several other, more popular rifle calibers.
The rifle itself is available for a fraction of the cost of a Colt AR-15 or one of its clones. All in all, a very good choice for a go anywhere, do (nearly) anything general-purpose rifle. It'll put meat on the table, and it'll defend your borders...and it'll do it without breakin' your checkbook.

Okay...I'm a dinosaur. Proud ta be one too...:cool:

Put me down as a fan of the '94 Winchester.

ID_shooting
October 27, 2004, 08:45 AM
Others may come and go, but there is allways my first rifle in the cabinet, Winnie m94 :)

SapperLeader
October 27, 2004, 10:40 AM
I have a shameful admission to make. I...I...I don't owna lever action 30-30, nor a single lever action in my collection. The good news is I am looking for one, and if I find a good deal on a 30-30 or a .357 magnum lever I will be all over it. I keep finding good deals that other people get, but havent had the money and found a good deal at the same time. I feel better now that I got that off my chest.

m14nut
October 27, 2004, 10:54 AM
Sir,
I command you to run out and purchase at least one lever immediatly!!!

Nathanael_Greene
October 27, 2004, 11:18 AM
One nice about living in Texas is that you can walk into about any pawn shop and find 30-30 rifles.

Sometimes, really great deals are to be found, too.

m14nut
October 27, 2004, 11:41 AM
As a general statement, here in Nj there are alot of available levers also.

Seems they ae not the fashionable Weatherby or other high end models that the snobs here love to purchase...................that's ok though.....means more levers for me:D

That Guide gun makes my 14th......:eek:

I could easily sell off all my other types of rifles, short of my US military guns, in favor of levers.

Now if they would just start making a really well made lever shotgun....:scrutiny:

ducktapehero
October 27, 2004, 02:18 PM
I would much prefer to face a Mall Ninja armed with an AK-47 than have to go up against a 75 year-old farmer who "only" has an "obsolete", late 19th Century design such as the old reliable "Thutty-Thutty." Tactical Tommy will be more likely burn up his ammo too quickly Amen to that.

I was born and raised around leverguns. I have owned several leverguns in the past, I don't own any right now(except my trusty Daisy) but a 357 levergun of some make is next on my list. Then a 22 lever, then a 30-30, then maybe find a nice used Savage 99, then...

I have seen the errors of my ways and will fix this unacceptable situation.

DHart
October 27, 2004, 03:04 PM
>>>what 1911Tuner said<<< lever rifles are my #1 choice in rifles for all purposes. Powerful, reliable, available in pistol calibers, accurate, great handling, great looking, charismatic, legendary... starting to sound like a 1911 ain't it!

I'd have to say my #1 choice is a Win 92 or variant/clone, almost neck and neck with a Win 94... followed very closely by the Marlin 1894 in several variations, including these three:

Marlin 1894CS 18.5" - .357mag
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Marlin1894CS.jpg
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Marlin 1894CBC 20" - .45 Colt
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Marlin1894CBC45C.jpg
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Marlin 1894SS 20" - .44 magnum
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Marlin1894SS.jpg

and the Trappers always get my heart racing just a little faster!

Winchester '94 16" Trapper - .45 Colt
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Win94Trpr45.jpg

saltydog452
October 27, 2004, 04:10 PM
they're about as prolific as rabbits or kudzu.

salty.

Sulaco
October 27, 2004, 04:51 PM
I'm also a levergun fan. I keep a '94 Trapper in .44 Magnum in my truck.

Lonestar.45
October 28, 2004, 07:50 PM
I have a Sears Ted Williams Model 100 (basically a Winchester 94 made for Sears in the '60's). I bought it in the mid-80's for $100. The finish is worn, it has some rust in a few places, the stock isn't pretty, bit it would be the very last gun I'd part with.

At 50 yds, it will outshoot my .270 BDL and my buddies's 7mm mag BDL, dad's 30.06 mauser, his Win. mod 70 7mm mag, and just about any other scoped gun I have shot against. At 100 yds, it will keep up with them. It's light, handles extremely well, and just plain works.

I keep thinking about getting it refinished, but I haven't done it....why fix something that isn't broken? It'll never be a show piece anyway.

Funny story about the first deer I shot with it. Right after I got the gun, I went to the deer lease. I was itching to take it to the stand that evening. I shot a few rounds to see where the bullets were hitting. Seems that it shot about a foot and a half to the left at 50 yds. Not being familiar with adjusting open sights, and not having much time, I just memorized where it would hit and went to the stand. Sure enough, a spike buck came out across the creek about 40 yds out. I held to the left of it's neck about a foot and a half.....the spike went down first shot and never moved.

I've since adjusted the sights, however. :)

LAH
November 18, 2004, 08:43 PM
My ole 30-30 with Barbara on the front porch.

nipprdog
November 18, 2004, 09:26 PM
my 357 trapper compact.

:D :D

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