I've noticed that most of us are greatly in favor of some old Boy (Girl) Scout adages. We believe that we should "be prepared," but prepared for what?
I sometimes wonder if my attachment to guns as a form of self-defense stems, in part, from all of the things that I can't defend myself from. For example, I would be bankrupt after defending myself from an unwarranted lawsuit, dead after a head-on with a drunk driver, or severely debilitated due to bad health. I increasingly feel that attorneys, victim-hood and lack of personal responsibility are threatening me and my family. I don't see anyone rushing to put a limit on an attorney’s ability to ruin an innocent person's life. I can eat fewer french fries and drive a large vehicle, but who/what protect us from attorneys, politicians and the teacher's unions? My guns seem to give me the illusion that I have some ability to confront "evil," but I know that the most likely threats will not come from a mugging..at least not from a mugging out of court. **Gotta get back to the movie, "Ruby Ridge." end of rant..
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February 24, 2003, 10:30 PM
For me, it's not like that. I own guns and carry a gun because it addresses a possible threat. I also carry full load car insurance, have smoke and carbon monoxide detectors in my house, wear a seat belt and have a fire extinguisher in my car and house. I also keep a change of clothes. jumper cables and some tools in the car.
I do these things because there might come a day I need them and I would feel stupid if I didn't have them. That's the same reason I carry and own a couple more defensive guns.
It doesn't make me feel more secure in general, just addresses a possible need.
February 24, 2003, 10:41 PM
When my son & I 1st moved into our present house, we used to get people just going over the back wall or just going through the gate. I have also answered the door to meet a drunk neighbor, a beligerent door to door sales guy & a husband and wife who just wanted to see my newly completed landscaping.
In a nutshell, I've prepared myself to handle the "unannounced" or late night guest.
February 24, 2003, 10:53 PM
As I am an attorney, I have mine in part to protect me and mine from those who'd "go postal" about attorneys.:rolleyes: There won't be any idiot spraying my firm with a Tec-9 and having the luxury of killing himself. One whacko is pretty much like another, and my CC 1911 and .45+p JHPs won't give a whit about the threat's motivations or perceived oppression. Of course everyone ever served a civil lawsuit or a divorce "didn't do it," just like everyone convicted and serving time in prison is "innocent," right?
Those "evil teacher's unions," (wasn't that a horror movie or something?) are on their own for defense, as I can scarcely imagine a more pro-sheeple group.
February 24, 2003, 11:01 PM
I think that you know which attorneys and what types of legal action I'm referring to. I've managed to get myself into trouble with attorneys when referring to them as the modern day gunslingers. My business attorney is an upstanding person and I suspect that you have some moral fiber; unfortunately, not everyone of your profession (nor mine) can make the same claim. Was it a Tec-9 in San Jose???
February 24, 2003, 11:06 PM
February 24, 2003, 11:16 PM
Drunk drivers. I can avoid dark areas, bad neighborhoods and the ghetto, but I can't avoid roads if I want to get anywhere.
Not much you can do about bad driving and other people's irresponsibility.
Probably cancer and disease is another one. Not too much you can do about that, but to have another spoonfull of broccoli. You can't protect yourself from everything.
February 24, 2003, 11:30 PM
Old folks. Seriously old folks, with blue hair. And "Overshades". With a death grip on the steering wheel, both elbows jammed into the bottom of the wheel. That's assuming they can see over the dashboard. They live here a few months of the year, under the deceptively cute name of "Snowbirds". Driving Lincoln Town Cars, Continentals, Mercury Marquis, Cadillacs, Mercedes, and the like. Well, not driving them as much as wantonly maneuvering them, across several lanes of Highway A1A. Their fused neck vertebrae don't allow them to look over their shoulders before they merge right into you. Ever lock up the brakes on a Big Twin when a Mercury Marquis pulls out right in front of you, while they're looking straight at you? Well, with the overshades, maybe only their face was turned towards you. Then they plod along at 20-30 mph, in a 55 mph zone, and you watch in disbelief as they run a red light at that speed!
When I was stationed in Florida from 1986-1989, there was a state law passed that mandated yearly driving tests for those aged 65 and older. Of course, AARP had a fecal hemorrhage over the whole thing, and when I returned for my second assignment to Florida, the law was no longer in visible existence. :scrutiny:
(Can you tell I almost got schmeared, again, by a Snowbird today?) :fire:
February 24, 2003, 11:52 PM
Gewehr98, there's an ancient rule in My-yammi: On February 2nd, if Missus Nussbaum can see through the steering wheel of her Oldsmobubble, there's gonna be six more weeks of winter.
In 1957, I watched multi-star generals quiver and quake at the idea of ICBMs on us, there in Paris, as a result of the politics of the Hungarian Crisis. Later on I wound up pointed the wrong direction at ridiculous speeds in various race cars, from time to time. Somehow or another, after all that, there just ain't much that scares me.
Well, 'ceptin' for do-gooders and Gummint. It's less fear than disgust as to what they can mess up.
February 25, 2003, 12:08 AM
I believe that it was Henry David Thoreau that said: "If I knew that someone who really wanted to help me was coming, I'd run for my life."
I actually fear those who wish to "help" me far more than those who wish to harm me.
IMHO, liberal "do-gooders" are more dangerous than most other types of fruits and nuts.
February 25, 2003, 02:47 AM
I think my biggest threat is my computer job and all the fast food restaurants around here :uhoh:
If I die from a 308, it will be my cholesterol :what:
February 25, 2003, 06:09 AM
For me I think it must be some sort of past life bug in my brain. Must have been an American indian, or a German Jew or something in a past life.:) Ever since I was a kid I always had some kind of weapon on me, and I always will. History shows us what to expect and that some laws dont apply if you want to survive, or at least have a chance to. I worry less about criminals these days than I do those who are supposed to be watching out for them , from the top on down. I have no control over accidents other that to try and pay attention, and absolutly no control over the economy, etc, so I dont worry about it. But no matter what happens, I'll always have a gun on. No matter what the "rules" say.
February 25, 2003, 07:20 AM
That`s what old lugnuts are for.:cool:
February 25, 2003, 07:20 AM
Those peices of paper at 7 yards with human outlines (some even have guns pointed at me!) printed on them really, really scare me. I shoot them at least 20 times each, but they dont fall down or surrender. Sometimes they retreat, other times they advance. I'm scared...
Other than my target-phobia, I'm just like everybody else. :D
February 25, 2003, 07:43 AM
The Economy or lack of it and street crime .:scrutiny:
February 25, 2003, 08:48 AM
At the moment, a nasty upper respiratory infection.
Continually, federal, state and local taxes.
I have been overtaxed by all of the above since I cashed my first paycheck and the per hour on it was $1.25. A whole lot of the money they took from me was poured down a rathole.
I could have got a lot more guns and ammo with that cash!
February 25, 2003, 09:53 AM
What Really Threatens You and Your Family?
February 25, 2003, 10:03 AM
What really threatens me and my family? Dumb politicians.
Although I'm not sure the smart ones are much better.:banghead: Lose-lose situation.
February 25, 2003, 10:18 AM
I would say confiscatory taxation is right up there at the top of the list. :rolleyes:
February 25, 2003, 10:42 AM
Aside from an entire State run by the Chicago Democratic machine with a sever anti gun owner agenda, what do I have to worry about?
I live South of Chicago and have three daughters that live in or near the city.
In the event of any real widespread unrest, power grid down etc. I'd have to go in and get them out.
I believe I'm far enough away from high density population areas to miss all the excitement. With a generatyor and some back up fuel, my well and other basic needs would be covered for some time.
Now all I need to worry about is Daley deciding my 1943 Garand is an assault rifle.
February 25, 2003, 10:57 AM
I only fear the 'STUPID' People.
They are everywhere. In gov.org they make laws, they drive cars, they vote, they make life hell for me at work, they have access to guns and on and on and on. Worst of all, they can reproduce and spawn more stupid people. Althought not being able to remove them from society at will might be worse than their abillity to reproduce.
Double Naught Spy
February 25, 2003, 01:17 PM
Regardless of the current international issues and threats of terrorism, pretty much most of us here in the US are still being threatened by the same things we were before 9-11. These are the typical types of things that we have been faced with for long periods of time. There is still a very high chance that if you are going to be murdered, it will be by somebody you know such as a family member. Signs of opulance tend to attract being robbed more so than looking like a broke college student. Women are still threatened by rapists of all shapes and sizes. Your house or apartment building may catch fire somehow.
Personally, I am inclined to believe that I am more likely to be shot at the gun range by some idiot mishandling his gun in some manner than by some bad guy. It has only been at the range when I have known loaded guns that have been pointed at me.
hops is right, stupid people is a very real concern and the worst part is that they are not always readily apparent as being stupid people until after things go wrong.
February 25, 2003, 04:20 PM
Here's one of my favorite links.
I found it when I first started to realistically evaluate the threats around me, before I became a gun owner, and my "risk" score has been dropping ever since. I'm sure some of you guys will have negative scores, which means criminals are at risk from you. :evil:
February 25, 2003, 04:51 PM
I am afraid of the ramifications of an ever expanding welfare state. It reminds me of a bugs bunny cartoon where Elmer Fudd keeps pumping up his bicycle tire, and pumping, and pumping, until it gets so huge you just know it is going to burst. Witness California. It is no suprise that some folks get hooked on the dole, like a drug. With the way our economy is going here, those handouts may be impacted....
I personally understand that I have to work for every scrap I and my family get in this life, many folks don't operate under that limitation. That's what scares me.
How's that tune go? "Don't worry, be happy", ya that's it.
February 25, 2003, 05:21 PM
I drive 50 miles one way through the Meth capital of the country, NorthEast Missouri. I have seen very irratic driving and wonder if that guy or gal is on Meth.
I work two 14 hour days and three 12 hour days each week. That is a lot of time away from the homestead. My wife is trained and has her sidearm with her most of the time. Naturally this time of year I leave in the dark and get home in the dark. On the nights when I teach it is really late when I get home.
The worst fear in driving is deer. They are all over the place. This time of year they are "herded up". Bunches of 10 and 12 all the time. Just last night I came over a hill and had 8 sets of eyes looking at me from the middle of the road!
I work at a college that has a "no firearms allowed" policy. We don't have CCW (it's coming though :D ) but not even the guards have guns. There is a half-way house next to our campus just across the street. Not the safest neighborhood. I do open carry and I am forced to leave my gun in my car (well hidden) but it is there none the less. That's the only way I can carry now. I don't like it but it is the only way I can have some protection on my long rides home.
Naturally home defense in the land of dope heads is paramount. We carry all the time at home and in town. The bar/rest we eat at have given me permission to carry, but I don't because of the law. Everywhere else in town is fair game though. Anyone walking down our hallway at night, if they get past the four dogs ranging in weight from 75 to 105, they may hear the unmistakeable sound of a bolt action shotgun feeding a round.
I worry about what I can see and 'feel". The other stuff, that over which I have no control, does not occupy my mind. I'm 56, figure I got 15 - 20 more years and then I can sleep.
February 25, 2003, 05:25 PM
February 25, 2003, 05:49 PM
It is interesting to note that owning a Mac (the computer, not the Mac-series firearm or Makarov pistol :D ) gives you an additional point of risk of burglary over owning a PC.
February 25, 2003, 06:18 PM
economic uncertainty.the town management in all its glory thinks we need new schools and want to raise taxes again(the real estate went up 400 bucks already)everyone wants us to pay more money for the same things but nobody understands that there is a limit to what people can afford.crime isnt a big deal anymore,i do what i can to prevent it and hope nothing serious happens.its the things that nail you every week in the wallet that knocks the wind out of you like house repairs or car repairs or the weekly back therapy i have to goto.
February 25, 2003, 06:59 PM
Gewehr98: I know your fear. I've stood in intersections to direct traffic and it's always the senior citizen with whom I make eye contact, give hand signals and then sweat as I watch them drive right up to my knees (all the time I'm thinking of jumping onto their hood or off to the side) and stop the car. Invariably they ask, "Me?" with regards to the hand signals. Arggggghhhh! Where the hair pulling smiley?
February 25, 2003, 07:07 PM
Current threat, besides the usual IRS suspects, comes from some critter who broke into my car twice trying to steal it (today was the second time) and also damaged several other tan 88 Accords in the area over the last half a year. It cost me $100 every time to re-key the ignition lock and the last time he got my bag with school materials (attendance records, grades, lesson plans), prescription sunglasses, three books - two of them runt's collectibles...all worthless to the thief but worth $300+ to me.
February 25, 2003, 07:10 PM
oppression;ignorance,people who use both for thier own percieved gain, out &out self ishnes. Thanks
February 25, 2003, 07:25 PM
What Really Threatens You and Your Family??
I live in a very rural area. It is not uncommon to see blacktails walking through "dowtown", let alone near our house. It is more uncommon to see what likes to eat blacktails, but the odd cougar does make itself a spectacle from time to time. Additionally, the coyote packs like to raise a ruckus from time to time, sometime in broad daylight. Then we have the not-so-social neighbors who try to secure their pit bull mixes with nylon rope. (Nylon must taste like doggy-treats.)
I have a seventeen month old son who likes to be pulled down to the town park in his wagon and play on the toys. He giggles uncontrollably when my wife and I pull him really fast across the soccer field, and when we make the wagon turn in tight circles, to just nearly miss mom or dad when he goes rolling by. He really likes to splash in the little mud puddles and kick small rocks around too.
I carry because one end and one leg of the soccer field borders uninterrupted cascade forest. I carry because the "backside" of the entire park borders the same said forest. I carry because I've had to stare down three feral dogs this year, that though my son looked like a convenient snack. I carry because not all of the residents of my town live in the sticks because they like the view; something about "living free". (That usually translates into heavy drug use and alcohol consumption, followed by the occasional bought of vandalism and belligerence.) I carry because the concept of trespassing is apparently not taught in pulik skule. I carry because, well intentioned as they are, the constabulary are just spread too thin to make an effective difference RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
I carry because it allows me to maintain and enforce healthy boundaries with the rest of the world.
February 25, 2003, 07:40 PM
Goofy but mean liberals. I have goofy but nice liberal friends and I love most of them.
February 25, 2003, 07:56 PM
I agree ... liberals. They are dangerous, and make our world a more dangerous place for my family.
Most of them are not operating in the real world, but they get to help make policy. Spooky.
Regards from TX
February 25, 2003, 07:57 PM
new laws that seem "right" when they first are passed...but then turn opressive.
Politicians...are the worst.
February 25, 2003, 09:20 PM
I'm far more afraid of leftist extremists drawing government pay checks than criminals.
February 25, 2003, 09:26 PM
1 for being "beaten"
-1 for being murdered.
21 for being burglarized.
I'm going to be killed by a careless driver--probably one talking on a cellphone. I have a couple of close calls a week. Usually one real hair-raiser a month.
February 25, 2003, 09:40 PM
High taxes and more laws.
February 25, 2003, 10:56 PM
I live in the beautiful town of joliet KNown for casinos and one of the fastest growning populaces in the nation , and also known for stateville correctional facility (home of Smokey the chair ) they recently added to this prision and opened a juvi (kiddy prision ) out here this is the only fear at the moment , if things ever where to go bad up here I'm prepped , Hey don if you need back up for the girls give me a call ,
February 26, 2003, 01:22 AM
hmm, well locally not a lot. we don't have as many deer over here (west central MO) as Rickster does, and while there are some problems with meth producers they generally get busted sooner or later. In other words our drug dealerss aren't as professional and our deer aren't as prolific (or have as big racks) as those in the northeastern part of the state. But that's okay with us!
On a statewide basis: wacked out liberals in St. Louis (anybody know how to write "St. Louis is that way" in Iraqi, in case I have the chance to hold up a sign to a passing terror drone?) who have LOTS of money behind them.
Nationally: wacked out liberals in a variety of locations who have LOTS of money behind them (hmm, maybe we need to come up with a generic sign in iraqi "_______ ________ is that way>>>>")
February 26, 2003, 10:28 PM
New laws, by old lawyers!
February 26, 2003, 11:40 PM
Threats to me and my family??
Sarah Brady, the Klintons, Al Hore I mean Gore, Diane Feinstein, Maxine Waters...
They are a bigger threat to me then any thug..
February 26, 2003, 11:46 PM
Liberals. They are the enemy within.
February 27, 2003, 07:52 AM
Big risk to me and mine?
The economy. Too young to retire, too old to hire. Jobs going out of the country. That's where I see a risk.
February 27, 2003, 08:23 AM
A few years ago we had a ice storm that cut power for over a week.I was ashamed of how many acted,could not even get a pack of smokes!!They cleared out every store of everything.then hardware stores tripled the prices of generatetors.I cant help but think what would happen if a "real" breakdown of civilization happened.....
February 27, 2003, 12:53 PM
February 27, 2003, 02:29 PM
The biggest threat to me is spiraling child care costs. The way they are going, I may not be able to buy another gun for a few months.
February 27, 2003, 04:48 PM
I'm down the road a piece outside of Frankfort.
If I ever do have to go in and pull them out you can handle the 1919 on the ball swivel through the sunroof of the Explorer. (My neigbhor is a re-enactor with one mounted on his WW II vintage jeep and I wouldn't be surprised if he had an extra side plate somewhere in his fully equipped machine shop.)
Here's hoping nothing ever happens, and all our plans and worst fears become jokes for our children to laugh at us for in the distant future.
February 27, 2003, 05:45 PM
Worst threat: people
Best help: people
what can I say? It's the human condition.
Took me two months after watching Forest Gump to understand the phrast, "stupid is as stupid does." When I change lane too close to some other car, I become that god d*** A**hold that cut me off some moment ago. It's not that there are a lot of idiots out there, but that there are a lot of people doing stupid things at any given time!
That was an epiphany (sp?) when I finally got it.
Now for preparedness: I like to take an analogy to the business decision, "outsourcing," where if you're the boss, you must decide if some function should be done by outside help rather than your own employee.
The analogy works like this: Figure out the cost in time, money, and sanity of a given task, big or small. Big like 24-hour house keeping and lawyering. Small like baby sitting in one afternoon and weekly grocery shopping. These things can be done by hired hands like professional maid service, lawyer-club membership, neighboring highschooler, and online grocery stores. So compare the total cost of doing things myself (or family member) versus paying for help.
Similar thing for self defense. I would get a fuel-cell power generator as soon as one becomes economical for night-time illumincation against threats -- not for reading or surfing, sorry THR. But I would not build my own power plant in my backyard. I have bottled water for two months at any time and cycle through them. One month worth of flashlight batteries. I am actively searching for practicing attorneys so I can cultivate a lasting relationship.
hey, I should start another thread on this preparedness.
February 27, 2003, 06:36 PM
I would fear keeping my family in Marin county, California, because of unexplainable health statistics
February 27, 2003, 07:05 PM
Dual Class Society!!!!
"An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king" - THE PATRIOT
It's a dark day when most Americans believe that voting for a president is just picking the lesser of 2 evils. :banghead:
I fear being made a sheeple.
The Boogie Man!!!!!!
February 27, 2003, 07:07 PM
February 27, 2003, 07:22 PM
I would say economy. Also the fact that our society does everything for lazy and stupid people and cannot do anything about those rich people who take advantage of the rest of us stuck in the middle.
Crime is worrysome but manageable.
State of the world is the next big one. I really wish people would just get along. At the end, the average person wants the same things from life - to be able to take care of his/her family, no matter if he/she is in US, Iraq, or France. I know, I know, I am very naive.
February 28, 2003, 01:27 AM
How did you ever hear about that one?
February 28, 2003, 01:46 AM
The ever more restrictive laws written to purportedly address problems created in large part by our failure to manage immigration.
Took the general assualt risk assessment, a -3 or -10 depending on how I answered the carry firearms legallly or not questions.
February 28, 2003, 10:38 AM
I saw that on a TV show some time ago, I don't remember which one now. I have a cousin in California with health issues, and did a internet seach because I didn't remember which county had been mentioned on the show.
I just did a search using startingpage.com (www.startingpage.com) , and the search terms "marin"+"breast cancer". Thats some scary happenings, and you can't shoot it with a gun.
February 28, 2003, 03:22 PM
In no particular order. Most of the time it's people that drive too fast through my neighborhood that threaten my family. I'd carry if I didn't live in the PRK. People that don't believe that the second ammendment is as important as the first are pretty scary. Driving on the freeway around here is always an adventure.
February 28, 2003, 11:58 PM
Greatest threat: Democrats, followed closely by Republicans!
One of the founding fathers said something about no mans wealth or liberty are safe when the legislature is in session.
March 1, 2003, 12:31 AM
I must admit that I don't really feel threatend very often. I think some of you people on this site are flat out paraniod. Not many of you but a few are truly paranoid and should talk to someone. I am not talking about anyone that has posted to this thread, just from past experiences.
In all probability, most of us have a MUCH higher chance of being killed in a car accident than in any type of gun fight. I'll bet some people that carry guns for self protection don't always wear their seatbelt. I know I would rather get in my car and drive down to the local whatever store without my seatbelt than without my gun. It makes no sense but that is the way it is.
March 2, 2003, 01:00 AM
March 2, 2003, 02:47 AM
Gotta comment re yours, firestar.
I feel threathened not in the least, but do know that stuff's happening that likley you & yours won't be able to , uhm, resist/stand against - nor will mine.
Call it an understanding, an awakening, or plain paranoia. Frankly, I although I'd care you & yours take the proper measures to get in & out, nothing I can do about it other than to bring it up. Likely, you'll do as you see fit.
Far as me & mine, We've plans to bail out/leave/walk away from it all. No sense sitting by & watching the whole thing come apart & (especially) eatig it while we can relocate & have a few more doing as we see fit.
& absolutely zip paranoia involved. If "it" happens as we see it to likely do, we will leave & go to a more remote area where we will have more time to watch the more intense sillyness of it all.
As it happens, we'll react to it - or not.
Best motto I've ever known is: "Live & let live."
I hope they allow us even that.
Likely anything extra should be addressed PM - I'd welcome the discussiopn.
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