Wait a min..... I CAN carry at Disneyland???


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Tim Currie
February 24, 2003, 11:15 PM
Well damn! Just did a search and the one post on the subject confirmed that you can in fact carry at a Disney park. I am planning a trip in a few weeks for spring break w/ my girl and I thought I'd check here but I was thinking no way in hell..... cool.

I know Great America uses metal detectors at all doors (and last time I was there was like 2 years ago..).

Oh and this is Disneyland in CA. As long as there is no law against it or no official Disney policy that can get me into trouble then I'll be packin..... :cool:

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Blackhawk
February 24, 2003, 11:22 PM
But, of course, that presumes that you can legally carry outside of Disneyland, right...? :D

Tim Currie
February 24, 2003, 11:52 PM
Of course. Do it every day.

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 12:02 AM
You might want to make your decision on more than just someone's post.

I don't know about Kali, but amusement park carry is illegal in Texas.

Tim Currie
February 25, 2003, 12:13 AM
Yeah, thats why I posted. I wanted to make sure, so if anyone can confirm whether or not I can would be great.

Also, as far as I know there is nothing in CA law saying I cannot carry at an amusement park.

Blackhawk
February 25, 2003, 12:14 AM
amusement park carry is illegal in Texas.Thumper, why do you think that? Got a reference?

Of course, if the amusement park has approved signs at the entrances, it would be prohibited.

redneck
February 25, 2003, 12:17 AM
I'd be dang surprised they let you carry with all the anti gun stuff they've been doing lately with the rides/shows.
Also, over on bladeforums, I think they were one of the ones mentioned that had security checking people out before entering the park.
If you get stopped it will be at the gate. All they can legally do is tell you that you can't enter the park with a gun, since your legal outside of the park. That doesn't garauntee that some rent a cop isn't going to consider it his duty to disarm you and confiscate your gun, and or call the police and have them come hassle you.

Theres been a lot of BS going on at airports/anywhere with security lately of people thinking they can take what isn't theirs under the guise of confiscating what isn't allowed past security. Just a heads up that you might run into a ticklish situation.

fastbolt
February 25, 2003, 12:22 AM
But, of course, that presumes that you can legally carry outside of Disneyland, right...?

THAT was the funniest thing I've read here for a while! :) Thanks.

Anyhow ... I'm guessing DL's policy has changed? (Based upon your post).

The last time I went there I learned that they "strongly preferred" off duty L/E NOT be armed within their park, and provided storage lockers near the entrance for any off duty weapons. I left mine safely secured outside the park.

Of course, considering the crowded conditions usually encountered within the park, the use of deadly force by an off duty cop ... or a civilian ... is a nightmare waiting to happen. Talk about the lack of a safe background ...

Why not just call the Disney Security Office and ask them? It's not like it would be an uncommon question, especially from cops planning to visit with their families.

I'm kind of curious now, myself, since you asked ...

You DON'T want to make a mistake based upon internet advice ...

10-Ring
February 25, 2003, 12:30 AM
The suggestion to call Disney security is a pretty good one! They do take their park security seriously (obviously). I'd also suggest calling Anaheim PD too.

El Rojo
February 25, 2003, 12:54 AM
I went to Magic Mountain the Friday after 9/11/01. Yeah there were metal detectors. Still got my picket knife in though.

Last time I went to DL was around 98 sometime. I don't remember metal detectors then.

That is how I determine if they allow you to carry or not, are there metal detectors. If there are metal detectors, you probably shouldn't carry. If there are not metal detectors, carry away. Local Bakersfield Hockey games, no metal detectors, carry. LA Kings hockey, metal detectors, no carry. Magic Mountain, metal detectors, carry. Disney Land? Call and ask them if they have metal detectors and search people entering. If they say no, carry. For some reason I can't see DL wanting to search all of the people entering the happiest place on earth. Seems it would lower the happiness some when you ask little Susie and wee Jim to take the things out of the pockets and raise their arms in the air! :eek:

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 01:01 AM
Blackhawk,

Thumper, why do you think that? Got a reference?

See the Texas Penal Code.

Definitely illegal to carry in an amusement park.

Skunkabilly
February 25, 2003, 01:06 AM
Don't go on negative G rides, and remember that Glock can shoot underwater if you need to take someone down in that submarine! :D

Tim Currie
February 25, 2003, 01:14 AM
Hmmm..... guess I'll call. Although I assume I would most likely get a "no" answer if I call and flat out ask if I can carry.... whether it is an official policy or not. I like the metal dectector rule, if they have em, dont carry, if they dontm carry. :)

capnrik
February 25, 2003, 01:29 AM
Thumper, do just that. It definitely says that without a legal sign, you can carry. Absent a legal sign, one may carry inside a Texas Amusement Park. (Sigh. Astroworld has a legal sign......)

Redlg155
February 25, 2003, 01:30 AM
Just curious, does California have a Concealed Carry Permit that is valid outside of the issuing County that you obtained the permit from?

I know here in FL a Concealed Carry Permit is valid in any County in FL as well as having reciprocal agreements with other states and offering non resident permits. I wasn't sure about California.

Good SHooting
RED

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 01:32 AM
Thumper, do just that. It definitely says that without a legal sign, you can carry. Absent a legal sign, one may carry inside a Texas Amusement Park. (Sigh. Astroworld has a legal sign......)

:rolleyes:

I HATE doing other people's searches.

From the Texas Penal Code you just mentioned:

46.035. Unlawful Carrying of Handgun by License Holder



(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.



(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:



(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;



(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;



(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;



(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;



(5) in an amusement park; or



(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.

Everybody satisfied?

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
February 25, 2003, 01:34 AM
Thumpers right. It's referred to as the "Six Flags" rule. If an amusement park is permanantly in-place and is open more than X days per year, you can't carry on the premises, and doing so can get your CHL revoked or worse.

That excludes carnivals and most county fairs, however, unless they are held on county or municipally owned land, which opens a whole new can of vermis.

The State Fair of Texas grounds are prohibited from concealed carry. When I went there last fall they were doing a shakedown on all males over the age of about 13. I even had to remove my shoes so they could be 'wanded'. For your discretion, though, you could deposit any 'contraband' into a locked box before entering without recrimination or repercussions. I was informed that my pocket knife was not allowed and that if I wanted to join my family (who was allowed to pass unchallenged with our picnic basket unchecked since my wife was toting it) I could either 1). place my knife in said box, never to see it again as it was 'disposed of hourly' or 2). return to my car (off premises) and leave it there.

I went around the corner and concealed it on my person where it would not be located, smiled as they wanded me again, undetected, and went right on in.

YMMV.
Regards,
Rabbit.

No, I didn't put it where the sun don't shine, either. I'm just smarter than a Fair Ninja.

synoptic
February 25, 2003, 01:38 AM
I just checked the Texas penal code...you can carry in an amusement park so long as you are not given notice that you can't carry a concealed weapon, either by written or oral notice. I am sure there are signs posted, and I know at astroworld they have had metal detectors for a while now. As far as california goes, I would be greatly shocked if they let you carry your gun in the park

edited due to redundancy (oops)

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 01:40 AM
Some of you guys slept through your concealed carry class. Read the section of the code I JUST POSTED!

:cuss:

synoptic
February 25, 2003, 01:41 AM
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:

(5) in an amusement park;

.(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 01:43 AM
I stand corrected.

It's the fine print that gets you.

Where's the sheepish smiley?

Blackhawk
February 25, 2003, 01:43 AM
I HATE doing other people's searches.I don't mind, Thumper. You did a good job! :D

Blackhawk
February 25, 2003, 01:45 AM
Except that synoptic gotcha.... :rolleyes:

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 01:46 AM
Posted to quick, dincha' ?

dangit...

synoptic
February 25, 2003, 01:47 AM
Well, as I stated before, i am sure they have signs posted so when it comes down to it you're pretty much right Thumper, and when the security guard at the metal detector says "you can't bring that in" you have just been orally notified. Wasn't trying to prove you wrong, I just happened to notice that fine print.... ;)

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
February 25, 2003, 01:48 AM
that's tellin' em.



Duck season!
Rabbit season!


Regards,
Rabbit

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 01:50 AM
It is kind of odd, though, that amusement parks et al are specified.

What's the sense in that? I mean, anyplace a 30.06 sign is displayed is out of bounds.

Is an amusement park with a 30.06 super-double illegal or something?

Blackhawk
February 25, 2003, 01:56 AM
Well you DID do a good job, Thumper. :D

Those gotcha details getcha, don't they?

Bet a bunch of Texans remember the fine print from this thread, so you ended up doing good! :D

Without the 30.06 sign, there are just not that many places they can't carry.

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 02:06 AM
synoptic...thanks for jacking me up so gently.

Blackhawk, didn't you just say this:

the number of words is inversely proportional to the value of the message.

When taken in consideration of your post count, that might be the most pertinent thing you've said in awhile.

:neener:

Jesse H
February 25, 2003, 02:15 AM
At the risk of looking like a total moron...how about the Rodeo?

I know sporting events are no-no's. But rodeo? Even then, I beleive Houston's new Reliant stadium is posted.

Elminster
February 25, 2003, 02:28 AM
Thumper --

IIRC originally it was indeed illegal to carry in churches, amusment parks, etc. Not too long ago the penal code was ammended to say that you can carry in these places unless the 30.06 sign is posted or you are given verbal notice. That's why those locatations are still mentioned.

Why go to all the trouble of deleting lines when you can just add more and make it more confusing?? :rolleyes:

Thumper
February 25, 2003, 02:32 AM
Makes sense to me.

I know I was originally taught the "Six Flags" rule someone mentioned earlier.

Pendragon
February 25, 2003, 02:42 AM
One of the only good things about Californias prejudicial CCW system is that because most people cannot get CCW, there are really almost no places where CCW is not allowed - outside of court and a few other places.

Also - a CCW is good statewide unless it has a restriction placed on it my the issuing dept which I understand is unusual.

I will be moving back to a CCW friendly area later this year.

COHIBA
February 25, 2003, 08:13 AM
a few tips if you do...
make it a belt holster w/ a thumbreak.
tie a length of paracord to the trigger guard and your belt loop.

that rollercoaster loop would be a real bitch if you pistol poped out.

Blackhawk
February 25, 2003, 04:05 PM
Thumper,Blackhawk, didn't you just say this:

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the number of words is inversely proportional to the value of the message.
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When taken in consideration of your post count, that might be the most pertinent thing you've said in awhile.
Yes, I did say that.

But you do have to use enough words to get your message across, which you didn't do here.

What did you mean by that last sentence....? :confused:

Greybeard
February 25, 2003, 05:45 PM
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06

The above was added effective Sept. 1, 1997. In the original 1995 law, there were only 6 amusement parks in Texas that met the criteria.

Re: Question above on rodeos. I think the vast majority of them will fall under the category of "professional" (some paid participants, right?) or school sporting event.

El Rojo
February 25, 2003, 07:24 PM
In the PRK it varies from place to place. I have heard of certain municipalities being selective on where and when you can carry. Kern County is pretty liberal. Once you have your permit, you can carry anywhere in the state.

Would you really need a good retention holster in a roller coaster? For loops I wouldn't think so since all the force is pushing down. :rolleyes:

Drizzt
February 25, 2003, 07:42 PM
Ex-cop packing heat at Magic Kingdom wonders who else carrying

By R.E. Graswich -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 a.m. PST Monday, February 24, 2003

Armed, not dangerous: Steve Reed didn't think he would need his gun at Disneyland. Thankfully, he was right. But the fact that Steve walked around the Happiest Place on Earth for several days with a loaded gun hidden under his Mickey Mouse sweat shirt was scary -- especially to Steve.

"I'm a retired cop, and I'm licensed to carry a concealed weapon," Steve said. "But I didn't expect to walk right into Disneyland and not be challenged. I expected them to pat me down or wand me and tell me to put my gun in a locker. That never happened. It made me wonder who else is walking around Disneyland with God knows what under their sweat shirt." Steve, a retired Sacramento cop, is security chief at a Sacramento mall. He spends a lot of time thinking about guns and bombs and crowds. Like a lot of cops, he never goes anywhere without his gun. On a trip to Disneyland this month, he didn't want to leave his rod in the hotel or car. So he carried it. Disneyland security spokesman John McClintock didn't want to talk about the park's security measures. "If the weapon had been visible, he would have been challenged," John said. Bags and purses are searched at Disneyland. Not people. ...

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/6169964p-7125103c.html

Mannlicher
February 25, 2003, 07:46 PM
I first carried my handgun at Disney the first week they were open. I have not missed since. Of course, I don't go anymore, not since the Philistines took out Mr. Toad's wild ride.

BlackArrow
February 25, 2003, 09:42 PM
Carry anywhere you want!:neener: Shall not be infringed. Any questions?:fire:

Average Guy
February 25, 2003, 09:50 PM
"It made me wonder who else is walking around Disneyland with God knows what under their sweat shirt."

Translated: "I feel like I got away with something. That scares me. But it scares me more to think that other people might be getting away with things, too. So maybe they should crack down on everyone. Well, maybe not on ME..."

Erik
February 26, 2003, 12:13 AM
I know of an FBI agent who was denied armed off-duty access to DW. He was asked politely, chose not to push the matter, and complied with their request.

So...

I'd guess, and that's all it is, that the park wouldn't allow others in armed as well.

Of course, he volunteered the info, never believing they'd actually take issue with a feebie armed in the park post 911.

Tim Currie
February 26, 2003, 04:04 AM
Guess that news article pretty much settles it. If for some reason I am searched.... walk back to the hotel and leave it there. Easy enough.

mrat
February 26, 2003, 04:12 AM
I was at Disney Land this past summer while at a LEO conference. Carrying a firearm is against their rules, regardless if you have a CCW or are a LEO. But they do not check. I left my firearm in the room but my partner took his with him in a fanny pack.

Jmurman
February 26, 2003, 05:40 AM
At Disney world in Orlando, they have a check point at the gate. They go through bags etc. I put my Bencjmade 721 in my pocket until I go through the checkpoint, then clip it to my pocket.

El Rojo
February 26, 2003, 09:28 PM
That settles it. Metal detectors = no carry. No metal detectors = carry. That simple. Make excuses if you want about it being too crowded anyway or whatever, but if the need arises where you need a firearm and you don't have one, you might regret not carrying for the rest of what might be a short life. As long as it isn't posted, you aren't breaking any laws so you won't have to worry about jail.

However, this brings up a good question, what kind of armed security does DL have? You think they have a SWAT type team hidden away some where on standby or do they rely on Orange County/City to handle it? I wonder what kind of armed response they do have. The only reason I wonder is if you do have to draw and shoot, who might shoot you in return? If they don't have openly armed guards, who do they have carrying that you don't realize is security? A very interesting question to ponder.

RikWriter
February 26, 2003, 10:58 PM
Disney World is searching backpacks, purses and fanny packs.
So last time I went (in December) I pulled my jacket down to cover my fanny pack as we went through the line.
Next time I will carry in Thunderware and after the search put it in my fanny pack (don't want a Glock down there all day long).

Lone_Gunman
February 27, 2003, 07:48 AM
There are no signs at WDW Orlando to indicate you cannot carry.

I have never seen a written statement of any kind from WDW explaining their firearms policy, though several people have told me they don't allow (or at least want) it.

It is not illegal to carry a weapon in an amusement part in Florida.

Since they have no sign indicating "no weapons allowed", even if they figure out you have a gun, all they can do is tell you to store the gun or leave.

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