Limp-Wristing and the Glock


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Kukri
December 30, 2002, 02:45 AM
Has anybody had any problems with their Glock and limp-wristing?
I recently went on a shooting trip with my dad and a two other kids and an my dad's lady friend. My dad and I would shoot the Glock with no problems. When the two other kids started to pop off rounds, there would be a jam EVERYTIME they shot. The same dilemma with the lady. My dad had no idea what the problem was, but i knew exactly what it was; limp-wristing and the slide was not lubricated enough. I could replicate the results by limp wristing. The one kid was insistent it was the guns fault, but it was his. It was humorous. Anybody with this problem or have a funny story regarding a limp-wristing incident?

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Stephen A. Camp
December 30, 2002, 02:48 AM
Hello. I've seen the same thing happen in CHL classes and for the same reasons you mention.

Best.

WESHOOT2
December 30, 2002, 02:52 AM
Gun-n-ammo problem, regardless of make.

Nothing funny about it; guns must work.
Okay, funny story (please, NOT picking on Glock).

Friend, Glock, IPSC. Big bragging friend "Glocks are perfect, never jam, yada yada", you (may) know the type.
Match, outdoors, cold, cold rain.
Limp-wrist city.
He nearly cried (actual crying). Tears.

Still laughing.

TIP: for those with 'wrist' trouble, try 'spicier' ammo.

sm
December 30, 2002, 03:01 AM
I'm with Mr. Camp and WS2
seen it, ain't funny when its a CCW , spicy ammo and practice practice practice.

I've had people show up with one because of XYZ reason .
I recommend new shooters NOT buy anything, especially a CCW until instructed and tried platforms first.

never know might be MY six they cover...

PATH
December 30, 2002, 03:22 AM
I have heard about the limp wristing problem but I have yet to see it at the range.

HSMITH
December 30, 2002, 03:23 AM
The glock 17 I had was nearly jam proof, you could really noodle wrist it and it would cycle but I used nato ammo only in it.

pax
December 30, 2002, 03:29 AM
Never had a problem with my G26, but then, I keep my slide lubed.

pax

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Kevlarman
December 30, 2002, 05:50 AM
I've only had 1 malfunction with my G30, and that was on the very first day that I got it. I was shooting S&B hardball, and one round failed to feed properly. Tap, rack, and bang!

Phyphor
December 30, 2002, 06:17 AM
I've only had a few problems with my Glock 19, but ONLY because that poor bastard had to handle my crap reloads, as I was learning how to reload.

With factory ammo or with my current loads, it eats rounds for breakfast and begs for more.

Kahr carrier
December 30, 2002, 06:52 AM
Havent seen the limp wristing problem in the Glock yet .I have seen some of the guys at the range shoot them different ways ,some hold them sideways and even one was holding a Glock upside down and shooting it with no jams .Personally I think some of these guys watch to many movies ,but no jams.;)

WESHOOT2
December 30, 2002, 11:30 AM
NOT bashing Glock, just telling funny story.

I've seen EVERY brand (well, maybe not everybrandinthewholewideworld) succumb to limp wrist.

IMNSHO, should NEVER be a 'lubed or not" issue, unless dancing with sand, etc.; IMNSHO most commonly "ammo spiciness" woe. (Spicy enough to push the slide back far enough regardless; not so spicy as to beat the mag spring).

Auto-feeders used for social work MUST be reliable regardless of grip and/or firing position.
Testing required. Like sideways, upside down, 'movie' grip.........

Bainx
December 30, 2002, 11:37 AM
Yup, the only two failures my Glock 30 has had was limp wristing
by a nephew. I watch him shoot and he absolutley squeezes the life out of the gun. I don't understand how he makes it choke.

HSMITH
December 30, 2002, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by WESHOOT2
NOT bashing Glock, just telling funny story.

I've seen EVERY brand (well, maybe not everybrandinthewholewideworld) succumb to limp wrist.

IMNSHO, should NEVER be a 'lubed or not" issue, unless dancing with sand, etc.; IMNSHO most commonly "ammo spiciness" woe. (Spicy enough to push the slide back far enough regardless; not so spicy as to beat the mag spring).

Auto-feeders used for social work MUST be reliable regardless of grip and/or firing position.
Testing required. Like sideways, upside down, 'movie' grip.........

Got to agree with you.

Never lubed my glock at all in all the time I had it, nor do I lube a carry/house gun. Tested EVERY auto I have had in any possible orientation as soon as they had a few break-in rounds through them. Glocks and Sigs do very well at odd angles, so far my beloved 1911's are hit and miss out of the box but tuned easily. Most all semi-auto pistols will balk regularly if limp wristed too.

LOL@everybrandinthewholewideworld, I like that.

Erik
December 30, 2002, 12:14 PM
Weshoot2,
I liked the 'everybrandinthewholewideworld' disclaimer,too. ;)

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Limpwristing - something that can happen with any pistol, and in particular any polymer framed ones, from what I have seen. Solution? Stronger wrists and/or a conscious effort, of course.

Maddock
December 30, 2002, 12:51 PM
My experience parallels that of WESHOOT2. I’ve seen a number of different recoil operated autos short-stroke. One of the most common is “action pistol” 1911s that have a stiffer than stock recoil spring while using loads that have less recoil impulse than ball. Replace the standard 16lb. spring with an 18½ lb. spring (16% increase), then reduce the load from the standard 230gr. @ 830fps (“power factor” 191) to a tailored match-load with a factor of 175-180 (a 5-8% decrease) add in a less than perfectly locked in grip and stance, and you’re operating at the edge of function.
Auto-feeders used for social work MUST be reliable regardless of grip and/or firing position.
Exactly right! My standard on a semi-auto carried for defense is fifty rounds fired weak hand only using just the thumb and forefinger with my arm as relaxed as I can manage. I may not be in the best of shape when I need to use a handgun in self-defense. Of course ALL my revolvers pass this test.:D

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Betty
December 30, 2002, 01:41 PM
My sister-in-law just rec'd her first handgun for Christmas - a G26. She's a naturally good shot, but does limp wrist while shooting one-handed. This is completely operator error, and will disappear with more practice.

Her employer will not allow her to carry at work, but her manager carries discreetly using an ankle holster. My sis-in-law doesn't know if she can conceal her G26 during the work day, but is testing Oleg's P32 for pocket carry purposes. I'd rather my 2 year old niece have a fired momma than a dead momma.

Tamara
December 30, 2002, 01:46 PM
Mine have all worked even with a two-fingered grip, but then again, all my Glocks have been .357SIG/.40/10mm/.45 ACP. Never had a problem with limp-wristing on any of the 9mm Glocks I've shot, but I've never really tried to induce a problem with them, either.

sm
December 30, 2002, 01:57 PM
I'm with WS2-and others.
I've seen guns that didn't fit shooter, limpwrist sure , also seen revos because of fit not a good choice for a particular shooter for CCW.

I don't have a problem with limpwristing a Glock, for ME the fit isn't there, prefer something else for ME.

Good point made above. If it ain't broke don't fix it. If gun fits and ammo works, gun reliable, and accurate...why "goop it up", change springs, ammo...etc.

My guns are stock, fit me via grips etc. trigger smooth (1911 4# crisp for example) Good ammo, and I've done weird things to test me the guns and ammo in all types of situations.

mags still won't drop "up" tho ;)

triggertime
December 30, 2002, 05:06 PM
Personally, I've never experienced any problems with limp wristing. But from what I have seen, Glocks chambered in 9mm are more susceptible to it than those chambered in other calibers.

Mr. Hankey
December 30, 2002, 06:01 PM
I've got 3 glocks in 9mm, a 17 a 19 and a 26 never had a problem with any of them.

I hear of this problem frequently, but I've never witnessed it.

The club I belong to, rents Glocks, so I've seen a lot of new shooters using them. But have yet to see one fail.

And being rentals, they are not maintained as well as they should be. But they keep on ticking.

Shmackey
December 30, 2002, 09:37 PM
If you know someone's got a limp-wristing issue, wouldn't a lighter recoil spring in the gun better allow the slide to cycle fully?

WESHOOT2
December 30, 2002, 10:29 PM
But then you gottanot beat the mag spring.

Synergy..........

Shmackey
December 30, 2002, 11:39 PM
WESHOOT2, could you explain that? How's the mag spring involved?

I've thought for a while that recoil springs can be matched to the shooter's ability to keep the gun in the same place--or not.

556A2
December 31, 2002, 12:57 AM
The very 1st time I shot a Glock 17 it jammed on me due to limp wristing, but I have never had any problems with Glocks or any other semi-autos since then.

WESHOOT2
December 31, 2002, 03:36 PM
If you speed up the slide too much (lighter recoil spring) the mag spring may not be able to force the (next) round up in time.

Make sense?

Shmackey
December 31, 2002, 07:12 PM
WESHOOT2,

You're not actually speeding up the slide with the lighter spring; you're bringing it back up to normal speed by compensating for the limp wristing, which makes the slide move more slowly relative to the frame.

I dunno...Something to experiment with maybe.

Abner
December 31, 2002, 10:26 PM
I have had three Glocks ( 2 x 19 and one 34). They would all secumb to a limp wrist jam in which the slide would come forward, grab a round and it would NOSE dive into the feed ramp and get stuck. Sometimes a tap-rack wouldn't work, you would have to drop the mag. My first 19 would jam with ball ammo.

If I could shoot the Glock design without causing a limp wrist jam I prefer that design to others for defense, but alas. Anyway, I now use a SIG 229 and a high power load (155gr Silvertip at 1200) to help reduce the limp wristing problem. It won't jam even if I just hold it thumb/trigger finger and fire rounds with it whipping all over the place.

Hicap30
December 31, 2002, 11:17 PM
limp-wristing and the slide was not lubricated enough?

If I recall you only need 1 to 2 drops of oil ever on a Glock. Too much oil will foul the striker and just collect dust and dirt.
A firm grip on the gun and it will shoot fine. I see way too many Glocks with oil dripping off of the slides, they are not 1911's. Check your manuals and you'll see that in print.

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