'Those Who Bomb Fallujah Cannot Prevent Me from Bombing Los Angeles'


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Desertdog
October 20, 2004, 02:26 PM
This site, http://www.memri.org/ , is a site that reports from the Islamic countries and you can keep up with what the Islamic are saying.
What they are saying makes you want to be sure you are well armed.
Let them figt over there and not here. This is scarey. Dd

Special Dispatch Series - No. 802
October 18, 2004 No.802

MEMRI TV Project: Secretary-General of the Egyptian Labor Party: 'Those Who Bomb Fallujah Cannot Prevent Me from Bombing Los Angeles'
http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD80204

Magdi Ahmad Hussein, the Secretary-General of the Egyptian Labor (Islamist) Party, recently appeared on Al-Jazeera TV, declaring that attacks against U.S. troops and civilians in Iraq are legitimate, and that hostage taking is permitted by Islam. He also called for clerics and fighters to go to fight in Iraq, defended the bombings in Taba, andargued that the American attack on Fallujah legitimizes a future terror attack in Los Angeles. To view the MEMRI TV clip of Hussein's statements, visit http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=292. The following are excerpts from the program: [1]


'Legitimate Violence' in Iraq and the Taba Attacks

"The violence is currently directed at the occupation. This is legitimate violence. This is Jihad against occupiers. 99% of the violent operations target the foreign occupation of the Arab and Islamic nation. Therefore, they are not included in the conflict with the [Arab] rulers.

"From the strategic perspective, the vast majority of operations are proper. As for Taba, as I've said, the entire Egyptian nation demands that tourists be banned from entering Egypt. It is inconceivable that Egypt has become a resort for the Israeli army.

"The Israeli army kills in Palestine in the morning and then comes to relax and gamble in Taba. Abominations that are forbidden in Israel, such as gambling, are allowed in Egypt. But the main issue is that Egypt has become a resort for the Zionist army."

'The Prisoners in Iraq - 99% of the Cases are Proper, According to Islamic Law'

"As for the hostages you spoke of, they are not hostages, sir, but prisoners. According to Islamic law, hostages can be redeemed, set free, or killed. When you are weak - you kill. The prisoners in Iraq, sir – 99% of the cases are proper, according to Islamic law. All those who were killed were agents and partners of the occupation. 75% of the hostages were released in exchange for political gains.

"So how come some voices in the Islamic movement and official clerics tell us that killing prisoners is un-Islamic? No, both the Koran and the Prophet's biography permit the killing of prisoners. This exists in our Islamic law and in the laws of all nations.

"Second, the war effort is not restricted to those who actually carry weapons. The war effort includes transporting supplies. Aren't supply lines part of military activity? The Halliburton company and its efforts to steal the Iraqi oil – aren't they part of the war effort, whose goal is to steal Iraq's resources? The war effort isn't simply carrying weapons. An Iraqi interpreter working for an American soldier – isn't this part of the war effort? Undoubtedly, all those killed, as far as we know, were non-civilians.

"We are witnessing a stroke of genius. Because they are weak and cannot defeat the occupation right away, they have used this weapon of prisoners - not 'hostages.' The Italian women were released and we demand the release of the French journalists. No one demands they be killed. But as for those who work for American companies and those who came to exploit Iraqi resources, they are part of the American plan and aren't innocent civilians.

"50 years ago, even before the American army arrived in Iraq, Sheik Shaltout said, 'Anyone working in the enemies' military camps and factories is one of them. He's an enemy and he may be killed.' This is what Sheik Shaltout, the great imam and Sheik of Al-Azhar in the mid-20th century, said. Whoever allies himself with the infidels and polytheists becomes one of them."

'The Mujahid Should be There [in Iraq], and the Cleric Should be There'

"The American casualties reach 47,000 dead and wounded, according to the American Veterans Association. 20% of the American forces were hurt, but the media only reports the Iraqi and Arab casualties.

"I've seen a film of the so-called 'Monotheism and the Jihad,' which is believed to be the organization of Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi. In the film, I saw that they neutralized a bomb because an Iraqi woman passed by the tank. Out of concern for one Iraqi woman's life they neutralized a bomb and this appears in a film on the Internet and anyone can watch it. I'm not claiming that there are no mistakes. There are different opinions among the Iraqi resistance. But if you want to have an opinion, you should be with them, not us, sitting in air-conditioned rooms and telling them to do this that.

"The mujahid should be there, and the cleric should be there, like Ibn Taymiyya, who set out with the mujahideen to the front lines. But we want to issue fatwas telling them not to do this or that, not to attack so and so. It's like us telling Hamas: 'don't attack buses lest an Israeli child be killed.' Do you have another means? When the Americans bomb [in Iraq] they say they are looking for Abu Mus'ab and the casualties were killed by accident. The Americans have the right to kill civilians accidentally, while the Qassam rockets and the [suicide] martyrs should target only adults, men and women working in the Israeli army, and should tell the children to get off the bus!?"

'If We had Missiles We should have Bombed Los Angeles'

"We are the weak ones. They make demands on us that don't exist in international law. There must be reciprocity. If your city is being bombed… Those who bomb Fallujah cannot prevent me from bombing Los Angeles. Why Fallujah? Why do we always feel inferior to them? What is the meaning of this inferiority complex? If we had missiles we should have bombed Los Angeles or any other city until they stopped bombing Fallujah, Samarra, and Ramadi.

"Sir, why do the government clerics ignore the killing of the prisoners during the time of the Prophet? 600-700 prisoners were killed in the raid on the Qurayza tribe.

"Why do they conceal this? Why do they hide the fact that the Prophet gave the order to assassinate some poets – to assassinate! Not in military operations, but rather by individual assassination.

"Why did he order the assassination of K'ab Ibn Ashraf, the Jew, leader of Khaybar ? And then he ordered the assassination of the leader who successive him. As a result, the Jews became fearful and terrified."

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Zrex
October 20, 2004, 02:38 PM
In 2003, the USA gave 2.2 billion dollars in economic & military aid to Egypt. Obviously, thats not enough. Lets just keep pouring money into countries populated people that want to destroy us on the off chance they might have a change of heart.

boofus
October 20, 2004, 02:40 PM
If they suicide bomb LA good riddance.

OF
October 20, 2004, 02:52 PM
The Halliburton company and its efforts to steal the Iraqi oil – aren't they part of the war effort, whose goal is to steal Iraq's resources? I hope the f-ing liberals are happy. Their constant BS parroting of 'Halliburton! Halliburton!" and war for oil garbage is coming right out the mouths of our enemies. The democrats want Bush out so bad they are in bed with the Islamist death-cult horrorshow murderers, and they could care less.

Congratulations. Maybe Teddy Boy will give a speech about how Iraq is our next Vietnam and we can hear Moqtada repeat it to his troops the next day to steel their resolve...oh, wait, that already happened. :fire: How many Americans died directly as a result of your slimy little political game, Teddy?

Go. Go to Iraq, Hadji, your fate awaits you.

- Gabe

PMDW
October 20, 2004, 03:10 PM
*Insert popular opinion here*

Standing Wolf
October 20, 2004, 03:30 PM
We should have had more sense than to get involved in yet another land war in Asia. We haven't won one of those since 1945.

Too many of us have forgotten how we won that one.

Guy B. Meredith
October 20, 2004, 05:02 PM
I wouldn't care to see even strident, radical Liberals hurt, but a few scares in Liberal territories might bring the real world home to them. Maybe destruction of deserted sites by radical Islam types. They spend so much time in YUPPIE and academic thought that they think anything not happening to them is just fiction.

Guy B. notrichenoughtobearealYUPPIE Meredith in San Ramon, CA

Skunkabilly
October 20, 2004, 05:16 PM
>> If they suicide bomb LA good riddance. <<

>> It'll be killing two birds with one stone. <<

:rolleyes:

El Tejon
October 20, 2004, 05:19 PM
Ummm, if they bomb L.A., what makes you guys think they will stop there?:scrutiny:

Zrex
October 20, 2004, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't care to see even strident, radical Liberals hurt, but a few scares in Liberal territories might bring the real world home to them. Maybe destruction of deserted sites by radical Islam types. They spend so much time in YUPPIE and academic thought that they think anything not happening to them is just fiction.

You are making the assumption that those Liberals will respond in a rational manner to the threats.

More than likely it will only encourage them to call for immediate surrender to the terrorists.

Zrex
October 20, 2004, 05:22 PM
We should have had more sense than to get involved in yet another land war in Asia. We haven't won one of those since 1945.

Are you forgetting the 1st Persian Gulf War, or are you not counting that as a land war, or are you not counting that as a victory?

Sawdust
October 20, 2004, 05:28 PM
What Skunk said, but I'll add more:

:cuss: :fire: :barf:

Welcome to my twit file PMDW and boofus; have fun with your fellow Richard Craniums in there.

Sawdust

Wildalaska
October 20, 2004, 05:32 PM
What Sawdust said and more...

Remarks like that deserve banning

WilddisgustingAlaska

spacemanspiff
October 20, 2004, 05:50 PM
yeah! besides, everyone knows that God will soon send comets and meteor showers and tidal waves and faultlines that cannot sit still and millions of dumbfounded sihdpits to flush that stblulhi three ring circus sideshow of freaks in that hopeless hole we call la.

learn to swim. see you down in arizona bay.














hey, its like written in the bible or something. if no one heeds the warnings it will be just like when noah went into the ark and no one believed him until the doors were closed and the rain started falling. by that time it was too late. :evil:

PMDW
October 20, 2004, 05:57 PM
Welcome to my twit file PMDW and boofus; have fun with your fellow Richard Craniums in there.

Right, will do.

Not replying to posts in this thread anymore, as to avoid a flame war.

hillbilly
October 20, 2004, 06:04 PM
Getting back to the REAL significant point of this thread....that a political official of yet another glorious, peaceful, democratic, freedom-loving Islamic country has called for jihad to kill infidels, specifically Americans, I offer my take.


Hey Magdi......Bring it........If you've really got Martyr's cohones, that is........Strap on your suicide vest and just tell me the time and place, you jihadist freak.

hillbilly

hillbilly
October 20, 2004, 06:14 PM
Here's another brutal point in the original post that's being missed because of the fighting and sniping over subsequent comments about the original post:



Now, there was a lot of flack on THR over a now-banned former member who made a comment about nuking all Muslims.

I am not advocating nuking all Muslims.

However, it is undeniable that in many, many cases, Muslims, especially radical, jihadist Muslims, find justification for their bloody slaughters of civilians directly from the religious writings of the Koran and the Hadith.

Again, I point to a quote from the MEMR article, wherein Magdi uses religious writings from the Islamic tradition to justify killing civilians in a terror attack.

He basically says, "Hey, terrorism is justified. After all, Muhammed himself used terror killings."

Here's the quote from the article.


"Sir, why do the government clerics ignore the killing of the prisoners during the time of the Prophet [Muhammed]? 600-700 prisoners were killed in the raid on the Qurayza tribe.

"Why do they conceal this? Why do they hide the fact that the Prophet [Muhammed] gave the order to assassinate some poets – to assassinate! Not in military operations, but rather by individual assassination.

"Why did he [Muhammed] order the assassination of K'ab Ibn Ashraf, the Jew, leader of Khaybar ? And then he ordered the assassination of the leader who successive him. As a result, the Jews became fearful and terrified."






I mean, it doesn't get much more point-blank than this. This Egyptian politician is arguing that jihadist killing of civilians is acceptable because Muhammed the Prophet himself repeatedly did the same kinds of things.

You may find my pointing this out to be politically incorrect, but it is what all of Western Civilization is currently facing.

This is the face of the enemy that wants to kill every single one of us, or at least every single one of us who refuses to convert to strict, fundamentalist Islam.

And I know which side I'm rooting for, and why.

hillbilly

Selfdfenz
October 20, 2004, 06:16 PM
To get back to the original post.
The speaker as quoted as pretty much saying execution of civilians is AOK in Islamic law. Actually fine and dandy and just what the Islamic faithful should be wanting.

Because so many have apologized for this, said Islam does not condon it, said it's being done by extreamists, those comments should scare thinking people everywhere and tell you there is a lot about Islam that is open to question if this guys is any kind of example.



S-

RKCheung
October 20, 2004, 07:01 PM
I sure am glad I'm on The High Road where fellow posters don't celebrate the demise of me, my home and my loved ones via terrorist attack.

Oh wait... :cuss: :mad: :fire:

Skunkabilly
October 20, 2004, 07:56 PM
I hear ya, RK.

You know the bad guys will only bomb liberal areas like Los Angeles so Free America can get their gun rights back :rolleyes:

Desertdog
October 20, 2004, 08:50 PM
so Free America can get their gun rights back
In my mind, wrong, wrong, wrong. They, the authorities, will see us as armed enemy, not the good guys.

Atticus
October 20, 2004, 09:09 PM
"The war effort isn't simply carrying weapons. An Iraqi interpreter working for an American soldier – isn't this part of the war effort? Undoubtedly, all those killed, as far as we know, were non-civilians."

So an Egyptian is OK with killing an Iraqi who is working against the Egyptians to free Iraq.

I just wish we'd get out and let them go back to romancing their sheep (or Frenchmen) and beating their women. :barf:

Headless Thompson Gunner
October 21, 2004, 12:23 AM
I just wish we'd get out and let them go back to romancing their sheep (or Frenchmen) and beating their women.
Yeah, that's just what we need to do. Let's get out of there, and hand the jihadists a win. Let's let 'em add one more radical country where everyone is hell-bent on finding better and better ways to kill Americans. Let's leave them alone, so that they can scheme and plan and plot and train in peace. Let's remove our troops, so that the next time they attack Americans it'll be here in the states, against unarmed, undefended, untrained, unprepared, and unaware civilians

Yup, that's just what we need to do. A briliant idea!!:rolleyes:

ShadowOne
October 21, 2004, 12:28 AM
Bombing in any major city will hurt everyone' wallet. Don't wish for it.

Headless Thompson Gunner
October 21, 2004, 12:34 AM
Please tell me that "your wallet" is not the primary reason you don't want to see lots of people killled.

QuarterBoreGunner
October 21, 2004, 12:38 AM
Wow! Great! So San Francisco will be safe?

What's that? San Francisco really is a part of America? Oh...so only when it's convenient? Ah…I see... nevermind then.

Skunk, RK welcome to the 'pariah by proxy 'cause where you live' club.

pax
October 21, 2004, 12:41 AM
Closed for all the obvious reasons.

If someone wants to re-open this topic, do it in the Roundtable, not L&P.

And leave out the name calling.

pax

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