Two-gun shoulder rigs?


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Cosmoline
October 22, 2004, 02:13 PM
I've been experimenting around with various shoulder rigs and while I've found some good ones (Galco and Null) I have problems with the balance. Null's, like the Galco executive rig, hooks down on your belt on the off side, and the weight of the handgun causes an imbalance I find very annoying. Galco's Miami style rigs are better but still the handgun usually weighs more than the mags or speed strips and there's an imbalance over time.

What I'm wondering is why not just sling a duplicate handgun in place of the ammo carrier? It would allow for a "New York reload" and would ride a lot easier. After all your back can hold an enormous amount of weight, but a slight imbalance can really mess it up over time.

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Serpico
October 22, 2004, 02:39 PM
Maybe for a nice walk in winter with a big coat, or if you live in a cabin, but in an everyday work/play environmet it seems that would be a very bulky rig to conceal.

R.H. Lee
October 22, 2004, 03:29 PM
Kinda like Bruce Willis in Last Man Standing? I wonder if the credits in the movie might mention a holster maker?

Cosmoline
October 22, 2004, 03:37 PM
If one handgun is concealed on one side and the ammo packs on the other, why couldn't two handguns be concealed?

Logistar
October 22, 2004, 03:37 PM
I am experimenting with this very thing.

I am using a DeSantis New York Undercover Rig. I am experimenting with a revolver (weak side) and a semi-auto (strong side).

My thought is that I'll have 5 or 6 reliable revolver shots (I could at times even load it with "shot" for certain "applications"). If I empty the revolver then I can go to my semi-auto instead of reload.

It has been warm here and I need a jacket to conceal the revolver. I'll see if this actually works and if I like it. Potential problems include... too much weight and having 2 different guns. (Semi is DA/SA)

I actually use Uncle Mike's nylon holsters to hold the guns. I already had nylon shoulder holsters for all my carry guns so I just bought the harness from Desantis and attached the nylon holsters. - works fine.

Questions or comments are welcome!

(Now if I could just get really GOOD with my left hand.........!!!!)

Logistar

Checkman
October 22, 2004, 06:01 PM
Now you have the perfect excuse to own two of the same models - whatever your favorite model/model should happen to be. Glock 27's Sig 229, S&W 649 etc. Isn't life grand? :D

TallPine
October 22, 2004, 07:54 PM
Hey, you ever see that Jesse James movie "American Outlaws" ?

IIRC, Jesse had two shoulder rigs, left and right, plus four more revolvers on his belt. They were all 1851 Colts I think.

Six guns ought to be enough .... :D

Mixlesplick
October 24, 2004, 10:49 AM
Please Note:These holsters are supplied in a hammer-down configuration only. Now I know there are a lot of folk out there who prefer the condition one or cocked-and-locked carry, and I have perfect faith in the function of the mechanical safety devices of 1911-style pistols. However, working at a distance, I can have no inkling at all of the attitude, knowledge, and weapon-handling capabilities of any individual who purchases or uses a Horseshoe holster. Additionally, I have no way of monitoring the circumstances under which said holster or any item may be used or by whom, so can never be sure that these were appropriate i.e. that equipment was not being used in a way that was never intended. Living, as we do, in a fiercely litigious society, I cannot run the risk of facing a lawsuit brought by some unknown individual who, after having shot himself or someone else for whatever reason, may then try to blame the accident on the fact that he was carrying his weapon, cocked-and-locked, in one of my holsters. I am not for a moment suggesting that you may be that individual, but I like the idea of sleeping at night and, having reached the evening of my life, I really have no wish to get involved with any situation which may, potentially, lead to a lawsuit, quite apart from not wanting to have the death or the severe wounding of anyone on my conscience.

I don't own a 1911 but I wouldn't want to buy a holster that required me to carry it with the hammer down on an empty chamber. It looks like the HAK/HAK would work fine on the double action/singel action guns like Sigs.

If Fist would make one of their vertical shoulder holsters in a double I wouldn't mind trying that with a pair of Kahrs. It looks like they could easily do it.
Fist (http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/holster/70.htm)

Onmilo
October 25, 2004, 09:24 AM
GALCO made the rig for the 'Last Man Standing' movie.
They will make a double carry shoulder rig for any handguns our little heart desires to carry including the H&K MP5K.

Lone Star
October 25, 2004, 09:42 AM
In the last two seasons of "The Lost World", the character Lord John Roxton, played by Will Snow, had a double shoulder holster rig for his brace of nickled Webley Mk. VI revolvers.

I thought it was silly, and just something that a screenwriter would love.
It was probably rather uncomfortable.

If you want to see it, the show still runs on TNT at 5:00AM, Central time, and the first two seasons are out on DVD. Third season is due out on Nov. 16.


Lone Star

Cosmoline
October 25, 2004, 01:21 PM
"The Lost World" is perhaps the most fun that can be had on early AM TV :D Women in leather carrying vintage rifles. Mmmmm

But I agree my first response to two-gun rigs was that they are silly and the products of Hollywood. But then again as I sit here my Galco rig, otherwise an excellent product, is leaning once again towards my revolver side and will need to be adjusted again. The ammo simply doesn't balance with the revolver. But another revolver would balance exactly.

Imaginos
October 25, 2004, 01:47 PM
Most of the old west gunfighters carried multiple handguns because Safariland didn't make speedloaders for cap and ball pistols, and nobody wanted to get killed for a lack of shooting back.

During the War of Northern Aggression, the partisans of Missouri that rode with Quantrill and Andreson carried as many revolvers as they could lay their hands on just for that reason.

John Wesley Hardin had a "vest" made by El Paso Saddlery to carry his Colts. El Paso still offers double rigs in their catalog, and they have an excellent reputation for service and quality.

Mernickle Custom Holsters and Kirkpatrick also offer double rigs.

CAS700850
October 25, 2004, 02:43 PM
I carry a Glock 19 in a Galco Jackass rig, with two Glock 17 +2 mags on the off side. The balance is just about right.

And, yes, I have considered going the distance and getting a second holster for the off side for one of my other handguns. The problem then is "Where do I put the ammo?" Seriously, the reason i use the shoulder rig is to have the gun and ammo available for putting on in one easy package, day or night, no matter how I'm dressed. Make the ammo pouch a second holster, and I now need a belt and mag pouches for the ammo.

Skunkabilly
October 25, 2004, 02:50 PM
Thought about doing this for my Beretta in the car since 2 10 rounders will be too light.

I'll probably have Blade-Tech do it.

buzz_knox
October 25, 2004, 02:54 PM
Now you have the perfect excuse to own two of the same models - whatever your favorite model/model should happen to be. Glock 27's Sig 229, S&W 649 etc. Isn't life grand?

Make that four of a kind. If you are forced to use your weapon, expect all weapons on your person to be confiscated. So, you need backups to each one at home.

Tragic, no? ;)

Cosmoline
October 25, 2004, 03:35 PM
I figure I'll just throw the revolver at the enemy when i'm empty :D Seriously, I don't plan on a protracted gunfight with one or even two snubbies. If I have time to reload, I figure I should be using that time to run back to my truck to get my rifle.

Serpico
October 25, 2004, 04:28 PM
"Make the ammo pouch a second holster, and I now need a belt and mag pouches for the ammo."

With a Glock 19 and a second gun you would still need spare ammo?

Black Snowman
October 25, 2004, 04:53 PM
I think a "NY reload" setup makes a lot of sense in a shoulder rig. Plus it gives you more options for drawing and employing a weapon. For instance if you're strong hand had more important things to do than go for a weapon.

Another option to balence weight would be to add a big honking knife or multi-tool to the light side. Knives can be handy for more than just self defense.

dav
October 25, 2004, 05:35 PM
Cosmoline,

I can't afford it myself, but I've long wanted one of these holsters from Mernickle (http://www.mernickleholsters.com/sh/sh9.html).

Extra nice because it allows carry of spare mags AND the balance of two guns.

So, get it and let me know what you think. If you say it's a keeper, then I'll start saving up. :D

Black Snowman, that's really why I would want a gun on each side (besides the balance issue). We are supposed to train shooting from either hand in case the other is out of action... well, what if it is out of action when it is time to draw? I don't think I could draw from the shoulder holster on the same side... well, maybe, but slow and ackward.

Black Snowman
October 25, 2004, 05:54 PM
Oooh I really like that Mernickle rig. Pricey, but looks worth it.

Lone Star
October 25, 2004, 07:11 PM
Cosmoline-

Thanks for the comment about, "The Lost World" being the most early AM fun that one can have. I'll probably tell the members of that program's official "board". www.lostworldtv.net and click on "Message Boards" to read the forums. Still going strong, despite the fourth season having been cancelled. (Amazon.com will have Third Season DVD's about Nov. 16.)

But the "women in leather" with vintage rifles isn't quite true, most of the time. The lady with a rifle (and handgun!) is Marguerite Krux, played by the delightful Rachel Blakely. (Most of the cast, like her, are Aussies.) Marguerite wears conventional clothes for the era, most of the time. Of course, for the "Amazons" episode, she was in brief leather. And she's worn some nice, lacy camisoles...

The chick in the leather loincloth is Veronica, played by Jennifer O'Dell, the sole American in the cast. (She's been guest starring on such shows as, "Charmed", "Nip,Tuck", and "General Hospital" lately.)

Jen's character usually relies on her knives. She has a Fairbairn-Sykes type in her boot and two throwing knives in the back of her loincloth in later seasons. Used a different knife in the first season, and her outfit has also varied with the three seasons. She complained that the original outfit shrank when it got wet. I'm sure that they had all sorts of male complaints over that...:D :D

Both Jen and Rachel are hot, smart ladies, ideally cast for their roles. The loss of this excellent show hit me deeply. They had some silly shows, the fantasy-based ones. But the more adventure-oriented shows were good, and the cast's obvious chemistry made, "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World" one of the most loved TV programs in recent days, and the fan base is more loyal than any I've heard of, other than "Trekkers". It was one of the few TV shows to feature an armed cast who weren't cops or bad guys.

It's well worth filming, if you can't be up at 5:00AM. Keep in mind that this is Central US time.

Lone Star

IRONFIST
October 25, 2004, 07:58 PM
I have bought some of the fine products these folks have for sale. Their shoulder rig is the single most comfortable one I have ever worn, probably due to the very wide strap that goes across the shoulder area. I have the single autopistol shoulder rig in black leather, with a double mag carrier on the left side. I altered my double mag carrier to accept a ColdSteel Tanto and sheath horiziontally. Very friendly folks, very comfortable rig and I would buy one again. The link is below...

http://www.nelsonleather.com/shoulder1.htm

IRONFIST
October 25, 2004, 08:02 PM
I have bought some of the fine products these folks have for sale. Their shoulder rig is the single most comfortable one I have ever worn, probably due to the very wide strap that goes across the shoulder area. I have the single autopistol shoulder rig in black leather, with a double mag carrier on the left side. I altered my double mag carrier to accept a ColdSteel Tanto and sheath horiziontally. Very friendly folks, very comfortable rig and I would buy one again. BTW, when the pistol is fully loaded, and the two spare mags are loaded as well... I have 43 rounds of .45 ACP on me :what: :D The link is below...

http://www.nelsonleather.com/shoulder1.htm

Cosmoline
October 25, 2004, 08:13 PM
I catch it in motels whenever I can, but as it airs at either five or six AM I'm a little groggy. All that stays with me are the vital parts. Vintage firearms and leather underthings on shapely females :D

I've been impressed by the show. It has some anchronisms in it, but mostly the firearms are appropriate for the period. A lot of break-top revolvers and iron-sighted rifles. It's good B-grade adventure, something you don't see that much of anymore.

http://www.lostworldtv.net/episode/img/114_screenshot1.jpg

It's also got Germans with Lugers and, of course, ninjas. And reptile men. And pirates.

carebear
October 26, 2004, 12:12 AM
So it isn't really "Lost" per se, just inconvenient to get to? :D

Lone Star
October 26, 2004, 12:18 AM
Hey, Cosmoline-

Thanks for the photo of Veronica with the rifle! She did at times use one.

More photos of the cast can be seen on the site that I listed earlier here. Click on "Characters" before going on to the forums, if you want to visit those.

The break-top revolvers were usually Webley Mk. IV .38's and Roxton's nickled Mk VI .455's. One of those was shown being loaded with the correct .455 cartridges. (Marguerite has used a hammerless Webley, a S&W New Departure Safety Hammerless, and (I think) an Iver Johnson hammerless like that in the story in the current, "American Handgunner" by forum member Mike Cumpston. It seems to have depended on what the prop dept. could get that day...)

Rifles have varied, but my favorite was a Sako Safari Grade.

Look sharp when they run the episode, "Trophies", where the bad guy kidnaps Veronica. His gun looks like a Ruger Blackhawk! Professor Challenger had either a true Colt SAA or an Italian copy.

Okay, back to two-holster rigs...

Lone Star

Lone Star
October 26, 2004, 12:28 AM
Carebear-

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle based the locale on a real life large plateau in South America. His book has been made into several movies as well as this TV series. No women were in the book, alas.

Ironically, some do believe that dinosaurs may yet exist on this high plateau. You can ask where it is on the "Lost World" forums, and an enthusiast can surely tell you. I think it's in Venezuela, but in the two-part opener to the series, the expedition left civilization at Manaus, which is in Brazil.

Since the series ended, Rachel Blakely played the security chief on an ocean liner that was hijacked by terrorists, but I don't recall the title. Someone here has probably seen it on cable TV. She did pretty well for a woman who was pregnant at the time. Since, I think she's semi-retired from acting, taking the "mommy road." Pity: at her best, Rachel is one of the most sensuous women ever to grace the screen.

Lone Star

carebear
October 26, 2004, 12:44 AM
I've read the story, I was just commenting on the fact that, in the genre, as new story ideas are needed different "others" will conveniently show up.

In season 7 or 8 of the new show "Lost" I'm anticipating a plane carrying the Harlem Globetrotters to crash onto the island. :D

Lone Star
October 26, 2004, 01:55 AM
carebear-

I concur, but was hoping for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders instead of the Globetrotters...:D

I have just been admonished by a lady from the "Lost World" board who checked this thread that Rachel B. wasn't yet pregnant in, "Counterstrike", about the ocean liner. I'm sure she's correct: she stores all sorts of such trivia, ready to hand. In fact, the movie was filmed in 2001, and "The Lost World" may have stlll been in production; she may have made, "Counterstrike" during the off-season. Just don't recall. (CAP, if you see this, thanks for the correction.)

But as far as I know, Ms. Blakely isn't currently acting, at least in programs seen in the USA.

Jennifer O'Dell, however, is American, and is back home and doing very well.
And, by gum, I DO know that SHE is now pregnant. She announced it at the "Lost World" convention in California this summer. "General Hospital" had to shoot her scenes to conceal that. I believe she plans to resume acting as soon as the child is old enough. I'm sure this will interest her fans who haven't heard.

Lone Star
P.S. I am now advised that, "Counterstrike" wasn't released until 2003, the year that Rachel Blakely gave birth. That's what confused me about the sequence.

;)

BluesBear
October 26, 2004, 03:26 AM
I could be wrong, but I don't think Galco made the Last Man Standing Holster.

However, a copy of the custom made rig worn by Willis is made and sold by Idaho Leather Company (http://groups.msn.com/IdahoLeatherCo/sportholsters.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=59).

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1315828

Gargoyle
October 26, 2004, 11:13 PM
This company makes a double gun rig:
http://www.survivalsheath.com/holsters/index.htm

"Dual Gun Shoulder Rig

You may be a fan of John Woo movies, ambidextrous, or a DEA agent, this rig carries two guns for immediate use. Some may call it the "New York Reload", I just call it easy access to firepower. Mix and match to your specs, this rig balances out nicely for all day comfort and instant reserve firepower. These two weapons below are the approved pistols for a police department, and the individual was looking for a way to carry them both with maximum comfort. No thumb breaks to engage, yet maximum security and great adjustable retention."

Onmilo
October 27, 2004, 09:58 AM
BluesBear I am just going on what a Galco representative told me so you may well be right.
I do know that they,(Galco), will produce a double horizontal rig with magazine pouches mounted vertically on the tie down straps because they built one for one of our customers.
It was cut to fit a pair of engraved Colt Officers pistols, russet color leather, suede lined, it looked super!
I really should photograph some of this stuff before it goes off to its happy home!
The double rig in your picture makes me all warm and fuzzy!

CAS700850
October 27, 2004, 11:10 AM
Serpico,

I don't need the spare mags, I just want more ammo. :D

Cosmoline
October 27, 2004, 12:59 PM
I like that "Last Man Standing" rig. You don't see enough vertical rigs like that anymore. I'm not sure about how concealable it would be, though. Does it come with 1911's that lift people up off the ground? Cause I want those.

I posted the pic of Veronica not only for her rifle but for her own fancy two-gun rig :D That show has little enough to do with the book, but it is a great excuse to bring out the pirate, zombie and ninja costumes. And I gotta say the prop men do a lot better than I'd expect. The occassional Ruger aside, they do largely stick with break tops and Mauser pattern rifles. The little H&R is a nice touch, too. Don't see those very often.

Lone Star
October 27, 2004, 02:29 PM
Cosmoline-

Drop on by www.lostworldtv.net and look at the pix of Veronica under, "Characters". There are also two short videos, but my computer won't play Veronica's, although it will play the ones with Marguerite. ???
One of the pix of Marguerite shows her holster. It's quite stylish...

Veronica's several outfits sometimes reveal more or less of her "two-gun outfit". She does have a "nice pair"!

Jen O'Dell is a much better actress than this show let her demonstrate, but in later seasons, you can see her development (acting skills!) improve. She often uses facial expressions very effectively.

Have you seen the photo of the two girls that originally ran in , "FHM"? Jen is lying down in a silver one-piece outfit, and Rachel is kneeling, in a brief brown bikini. Surprisingly, Rachel had the better figure! It's offered somewhere on the Net, but I don't know the link. Maybe someone will help.
Or, ask on the "Lost World" board. In fact, I'll ask today. Someone may post the answer.

See the thread there (Message Boards) on the two-gun outfit. I've answered one lady's questions about pistols pretty well, I think, and I love to see the female members ask about guns. That board is probably the only place where many will see pro-gun data. The show did very well in portraying armed heroes.

I loved your quip about Veronica's "two-gun outfit"!

Lone Star

Lone Star
October 27, 2004, 09:38 PM
COSMOLINE AND CAREBEAR-

Beat feet over to the "Lost World" forums, under "Talk About the Lost World": the first forum after the News one. I think it's the second forum down.

One of the German members has posted a link to that photo I mentioned. Just click on it. I think you'll agree that it was worth the visit...:cool: Very kind of her. It's amazing what the members of that forum can come up with, and there's a strong sense of family among us on that board.

Never mind the relative grousing from another female member; she's just jealous of Jen and Rachel. :p

Lone Star

BluesBear
October 27, 2004, 11:40 PM
Onmilo mentioned:
(Galco) will produce a double horizontal rig with magazine pouches mounted vertically on the tie down straps because they built one for one of our customers.
More information on that PLEASE.

I would very interested in getting a rig like that.

How did they attach the pouches? Some sort of connection where the tie-down snap is usually located?

Yes, from now on please do take pictures of things like that.

carebear
October 28, 2004, 02:32 AM
COSMOLINE AND CAREBEAR- Beat feet over to the "Lost World" forums, under "Talk About the Lost World": the first forum after the News one. I think it's the second forum down.

Yes, I agree, the brown color certainly doesn't favor rachel's skin tone or something...... :rolleyes:

What's that smell? Am I in Ellensburg (Washington)? :D

I may not know art, but I know what I like. :p

Lone Star
October 28, 2004, 04:06 AM
Carebear-

Yeah, I THOUGHT you might enjoy that photo...

Dunno about that town that you mentioned in Washington. Does it smell as bad as Washington, D.C., or what?:D

CAP aside, the members who commented seemed to understand just fine why men like the picture. I personally think it's not very good of Jen, but Rachel is well shown, no pun intended.

Members on the forum come from some 12 countries, which demonstrates the appeal of , "The Lost World". The better shows are really pretty good. The ones where Roxton and Marguerite are playing the roles seriously and are in danger together may be the best. The chemistry between Will Snow and Rachel is wonderful. (Oddly, although they're good friends in real life, both are with other mates. They just play their roles well.)

Lone Star

carebear
October 28, 2004, 04:35 AM
It's in central WA, a cattle town. You know you are there before you get there. If that makes sense. :D

Lone Star
October 28, 2004, 04:59 AM
Carebear-

Yeah, it makes sense...

I once worked in security at a slaughterhouse. The smell was awful. Dan Rather and the Kerry campaign weren't even in town!

I suspect you're inferring that one lady's comments are BS. I quite understand. She and several other women on that board can be a little ...intense...much of the time. Overall, I think they just have strong personalities and are rather feminist. In the main, they mean well. I think. Most of the time. She did help establish when, "Counterstrike" was released. She knows EVERYTHING about the show, the cast, etc.

The thing that bugs some of the men there (they've sent me Personal Messages, to avoid riling certain parties) is that many women there rave about Roxton or Malone with their shirts off, then react in a prissy manner when a guy comments on how hot Rachel, Jen, or Lara Cox (played Finn in Season Three) look.

I hope Cosmoline doesn't think we've taken this thread too far off course. At least, he appreciates, "The Lost World's" appeal.

Lone Star

BluesBear
October 28, 2004, 06:52 AM
Lonestar,

Please post this gif over on The Lost World forum. It will help Santa Cruz understand the operation of a 1911 pattern pistol.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1320143

BluesBear
October 28, 2004, 06:58 AM
So will this one.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1320146

Lone Star
October 28, 2004, 03:55 PM
Blues Bear-

Thank you for the graphics. Unfortunately, the "Lost World" board isn't configured to allow posting them, probably because the series producers wanted control over any photos to appear there. That's the Official Forum.

So, I posted a message telling members there of your generous graphics, and how to find them here. I also sent a Personal Message to Santa Crux, so she will definitely be aware of this, in case she misses that thread on the forum. I'm sure she will appreciate the graphic.

In the show, characters Lord John Roxton and Ned Malone carry Colt M1911's in some episodes. I think Ned wore his all the time; Roxton sometimes used a pair of Webleys, as we've noted here already. Uh, wait: I think Ned also used a Webley Mk. IV .38 left behind when another character, Prof. Arthur Summerlee, disappeared. (The actor who portrayed him sometimes posts on that forum.)

I will pray for your urgent recovery. You may also be cheered to know that I voted yesterday...the RIGHT way! (For Bush and Cheney: God Save Our Republic!) I might add that the line for Early Voting was very long. This election has aroused enormous interest, and in my area, most voters seemed to favor George Bush. I feel pretty sure the Republican ticket will carry in Texas!

Lone Star

BluesBear
October 29, 2004, 05:55 PM
Lone Star, please extend an invaation from me to Santa Crux and the others on The Lost World forum to visit and reguster over here.

The more the merrier. They seem to be intelligent and articulate people, It would be a pleasure to have them here.

I had just become hooked on the early morning episodes of The Lost World, when three of the FOUR satillite channels we had here in "the home ". But after being here less than three weeks they were disconinued. ARRRGH. After losing TNT, TBS & CNN I was left with only A&E which was gone two weeks later.

One of the nurses here saw me reading my gun books and started asking me about guns. It seems that she knows almost nothing about guns but can tell me the exact model of every gun carried by anyone on The Lost World. It was the responsible use of firarms on that program that mad her rethink her opinions about gun control. I think The Lost World caused he to sit on the fence and I think I helped lift her off and onto the correct side.

If you haven't watched The Lost World you should start. It's a good way to break the ice about gun discussions. The simple fact that th guns are carried a lot more than they are fired gives a realisting overview of how guns are normally used. It also illustrates the NEED for adequate personal protection for survival in any society.

Lone Star
October 29, 2004, 10:15 PM
Blues Bear-

I'll go make that post right now, before I leave for work.
The amazing thing to me is how well the non-English-speaking members on the "Lost World" board function in our language.

One even told me today how to manipulate a US keyboard to employ umlauts and Spanish accent marks, so that I can spell correctly when using words in those languages.

Get well. I am seriously sorry to learn of your lost cable capability. Bummer...

Lone Star

Marcus
October 31, 2004, 12:15 AM
I wanted to try a dual gun shoulder rig too so I bought 2 Ace Case nylon shoulder rigs and just snapped them together as a dual rig (they`re modular). I fully expected them to be utter crap and normally steer far clear of nylon holsters but I was suprised to find that it`s actually very comfortable and works pretty darn well. The shoulder straps are so wide they`re actually triangles. They spread the weight out quite nicely and lay nice and flat. The only thing I really didn`t care for was that the thumb break straps mount with velcro. I just set them where I wanted them for the guns I use and sewed them in place. Each holster has an elastic belt strap too. I originally got it to carry my S&W 1006 and S&W 4053. It wasn`t perfectly balanced with that combo but it was MUCH better than the 1006 and 2 mags on the offside. I`ve picked up a few extra holster for it so now I can carry 2 CZ-75Bs or a CZ-75B and CZ-40P(with or without the M3 Tactical light) etc. I almost never wear it but when I do it`s pretty comfortable and conceals them under a light jacket or untucked flanel shirt better than you might think. It`s probably a bit hard to defend in court though if, God forbid it ever came to that! ;) Generally if I have the urge to carry in a shoulder rig it`s my ultralight Ken Null SMZ rig and Kahr P-40. Marcus

dfranz
November 15, 2006, 04:13 AM
lone star

do you know who made the rig roxton wore on the last season

Lone Star
November 15, 2006, 07:32 AM
Well, THERE'S an old thread! Fortunately, Hotmail alerted me to it...

Alas, I don't know who made those holsters or the others used on, "The Lost World". We fans never had much rapport with the prop people, although they did eventually sell all of the guns, including some rubber models.

Roxton's rifle was said to be a .416 Rigby, but when I queried if it was a genuine Rigby, the prop guy, who wasn't an armorer, couldn't say.
The nickled Webley MK VI's with white grips were used by Roxton in the last couple of seasons, although he also used the .45 auto, as late as the final show, the Third Season cliffhanger. If you saw that, you may recall that he had it in his hand as he put his arm around Marguerite while they were fleeing the Spaniards, who thought that he was his ancestor, an Elizabethan "sea dog".

I was able to get good views of the prop guns, and Marguerite had an Iver Johnson copy of the S&W hammerless revolver much of the time. She also probably had a hammerless Webley a time or two, and I think an actual S&W New Departure Safety Hammerlss. In one scene, where she was seized by Druids before she coul fire, the had a Webley MK. III .38, with a conventional hammer. It semed to depend on what the prop house had on a given day.

HOwever, Ned Malone and Roxton had the .45 autos, Roxton also had the Webleys, and Prof. Challenger wore a Colt .45 SAA or Italian copies. In one case, it was a Ruger Blackhawk. If you see the episode, "Finn", look carefully when Finn holds him up and he passes the gun to her. He later rescued her from her plight, and she returned to the Treehouse with him and the Roxtons, after killing her betrayer with her nasty little crossbow.

The holsters were very stylish, and looked much like the old Bianchi flap holster, I think Model 16. I have read that Hellwig makes such rigs. The series was filmed in Australia, so that seems likely as the source for the holsters.

Some years ago, I tried to learn who had made the knife in the "Crocodile Dundee films. I did get an answer, but not a very satisfactory one. A woman who answered said that the star had the blade made by some man he knew, and the handle by another. If they had had that info made available to their PR people, I could have goten the movies some nice press in US knife magazine,s for which I write. I also wanted very much to get a story done on the "Lost World" guns, but again the producewrs didn't seem to care. They may really have wanted to avoid much gun-oriented covereage, lest it upset liberals in the industry. I was able to indentify a few knives on, "Lost World", though.

I'm sorry that I can't give a better answer. That show has a VERY loyal fan base in some 14 countries, and I think it is stiill being shown in Eastern Europe. We have members on a fan board who see it in Serbia, Austria, the Czech Republic, The Netherlands, and Latvia, among other countries. The chemistry between the cast was wondewrful to behold, and that and the high production standards raised, "Lost World" well above most syndicated TV sseries. I very much miss it.

That said, the Fourth Season was going a little too far off the track I wanted, according to info released by the Executive Writers, Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens. They "assist" William Shatner in his "STar Trek" books, and are big "Trek" fans, and they wanted to send Challenger to Mars and some other far-out stuff. There is a good chance that Finn, one of my favorite characters, wouldn't have survived that season, had it come to pass.

This is far you asked, but that show,is the only "fandom" in which I've ever been involved, and I sensed that you might also be a fan.

Now,about the cast and what wonderful people they are: We have a fan board member who broke his neck in a swimming accident while visiting Australia. When we got the word, Michael Sinelnikoff (Prof. Summerlee in the First Season) and Jennifer O'Dell (Veronica) personally telephoned him, and Rachel Blakely, who played Marguerite, actually DROVE an hour from her home to visit this guy in hospital in Brisbane! Thankfully, he seems to be recovering well, and I pray that he will regain full use of his body. That visit from Ms. Blakely thrilled him, of course, and was so kind of her, especially as she is now busy filming a new series, where she plays the mom of some teens in a family situation comedy. ("Mortified", not seen in the USA.)

The actors didn't know zip about guns,and weren't able to answer questions about them at the conventions, so that won't get the answer you wanted. I tried.

My computer is malfunctioning in typing and some of the above may be misspelled. I can't correct it.

Lone Star
November 15, 2006, 08:06 AM
This is to apologize for the misspellings in my post above. Sometimes, my computer goes nuts, and won't let me correct errors. I think the fouled-up words will make sense if you look at the whole sentence.

I would post on the Official forum for, "The Lost World" for you, but have already asked gun questions there, and the producers never provided an armorer to answer them, and the cast hadn't a clue, although they are very nice people.

In fact, in the Liberty (only) edition of the First Season DVD, one gets coverage of the first Convention and some bloopers. In one blooper, Will Snow fouled the muzzle of the Rigby in electrical cords twice in one scene, and complained that it was heavier "than that plastic rifle" and that he wasn't used to handling it yet. The plastic rifle in the pilot movie, which became the first two shows of the series, was an abomination, a child's toy, I think. I was glad to see them get a real rifle, built, I think, on an Enfield P-14 or P-17 action or the Remington M-30 sporting rifle. The safety is very distinctive.

Well, there's the 'WAY long non answer to your nice question. :D

I guess that if you watched the DVD's and sketched the shoulder holster rig carefully, El Paso Saddlery or another custom leather house could replicate the holsters. But frankly, I don't think it was a practical rig. It was just meant to be dramatic on TV. Their belt holsters, though, were stylish and reasonable.

Lone Star

Lone Star
November 15, 2006, 08:36 AM
http://www.jenodell.com/demoReel.html

For "The Lost World" fans, here is Jen O'Dell's own site, and you can play that Demo Reel to see her more recent acting, on, "Nip, Tuck", where she played a high priced hooker. It's a fine performance, and the role let her show her skills a little better than playing Veronica did. But Veronica's outfit had compensating features. :D

I'm done now with hijacking this thread to plug, "The Lost World"...but play that demo reel. Jen is a fine actress, and I think you guys will get a kick out of her perfomance!

wildburp
November 16, 2006, 02:53 AM
Just balance them with a buckshot pumper of some sort hanging down your back, concealed, of course, from scrutinous photo-receptive orbs connected to human brain brain cells, which tend to think too much about guns. If that does not work, hang a couple of dueling pistols from your neck at different heights so they don't bump together, the way God designed male gonads.

If this seems excessive, try sling shots, pea shooters, or spit wads. They don't go as fast or make so much noise, but tests confirm better accuracy with both eyes open.

wildburp

jojosdad
November 17, 2006, 02:14 AM
I've carried a Kimber Compact CDP and a Star PD in a Galco Miami shoulder rig that I modified for 2 gun carry by replacing the magazine pouch with a left hand holster I picked up on GunBroker. I was driving a cab 12 hours a night at the time, and the rig worked well for me. I reasoned that if I needed a gun to deal with a threat from the back seat, a weapon accessible from my left side would be a better idea since I'd have less distance to move to bring the gun to bear.

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