[Drizzt]

Due to the fact that the story is of The Nuge being The Nuge, and quoting several of the more juicy bits, I'll just post the link.

http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/02/24/3e5a2e4b42365

Nuge spoke on several issues, some on politics, all politically incorrect. You have been warned...... ;)

[Greg L]

You've got to love Ted on campus. I'll bet those panties don't become unwadded until about graduation time. :D

Greg

[Carlos Cabeza]

Yep, like Drizzt said "You have been warned" There is some pretty offensive material contained therein. It is certainly not for the "I'm OK, You're OK" crowd. I would like to see the entire speech, instead of what the media decided to let me see......

[Ted Bell]

The Motor City Madman fueled by the purest of proteins!! His show "The Spirit of the Wild" is a kick. :D

[ACP230]

The Motor City Madman's language was much less "colorful" when I talked to him briefly at the Second Chance Combat Shoot in the late 1990s.

[grampster]

The Nuge is on the radio in my neighborhood from time to time. He owns some land north of me. Hunts there and hangs out with the locals. In the words of the old Native American in "Little Big Man", everytime I listen or see Ted, "My heart soars like anEagle." True man, true American, true patriot. He cuts to the core and always speaks the truth. Some are quieter, some are more circumspect. None are a better example of how one can have a great life and drag a whole buch of us along with him.
The Motor City Madman for Governor of Michigan, yeehaaw.
Ted's actions speak as loud as his words. that's the difference between guys like him and milktoast libs.

[publius]

LMAO@Nuge!:D

[Cliff]

I still say the Nuge should replace Wayne at the NRA.:what:

[4v50 Gary]

I'll second that. Nuge to replace Wayne La Pierre.

[Carlos Cabeza]

While I do agree that Mr. Pierre has lost his momentum so to speak, I don't think that the Nuge would be the best choice. He's a bit "gruff" and has too many other "issues" to resolve. Considering our issue is RKBA, his stance alienates too many people for other reasons not related to RKBA.

[Skunkabilly]

I admire the man but must respectfully disagree with his stance on drugs and homosexuals.

[HABU]

The Nuge has always said it like he sees it. I would bet that most conservative males agree with most of what he says.

[Glock Glockler]

The Nuge has always said it like he sees it.

That's part of the problem. As an activist, your job is to be an effective agent of change for your crucade of choice. By 'calling it the way you see it' you might very well reduce your effectiveness for said cause. Is he there for his own gratification or is he there to further a movement?

I would bet that most conservative males agree with most of what he says.

Agreed, but why preech to the converted? It's probably a better idea if he brings his message of pro-self defense and pro-hunting to those that are not conservative males. Expand your marketshare! He could mix his current message with some free-market environmentalism and reach a much broader audience.

He could also increase his effectiveness if he didn't touch homosexuality as a topic. I don't understand why he did this, what does it gain you? Is someone going to stop being gay because you don't like it? I don't think the govt should be giving a dime to kids with Luekemia or gay people, end govt welfare across the board and dramatically lower taxes so we can decide for ourselves where we fund charity.

[Psssniper]

Imagine if the NRA was composed of 4 million Nugent Clones! :D

[CZ-75]

I don't think that the Nuge would be the best choice. He's a bit "gruff" and has too many other "issues" to resolve. Considering our issue is RKBA, his stance alienates too many people for other reasons not related to RKBA.



Agreed.

I think he makes a good board member, but not necessarily a good general spokesman.

His role should be to convince blue collar fence-sitters. Being un-PC and "rough around the edges" goes farther with that audience. You won't convince suburban soccer moms and yuppies that have the time and money to spend on a cause to support the RKBA as their cause by profligate usage of "f---" or
"p----" or "butt-f---."

I do have to smile and admire the man for not putting any varnish on, though.

[NewShooter78]

I'll never totally agree with everything the Nuge has to say, but he's never been one to mince his words. And I've never thought of him as an activist so to speak, but one who lays ideas out on the table the way he sees them and doesn't care what other's think. And just because he didn't say much about the RKBA at that gathering, he does talk about it a lot. Just the other day I was watching VH-1 and they were doing a special show on the most outrageous rockers, or something like that. He was on it and when asked about his gun he said something to the effect of, "Ever hear of something called the 2nd Amendment?"

[Justin]

I do have to smile and admire the man for not putting any varnish on, though. Honestly? I think the dude probably took the varnish right off.

Nuge is good at what he does, which is getting attention. I have to say, though, that his stance on homosexuality is one that is likely to cause the RKBA more harm than good, and to that end, he should zip it with regard to the gay issue.

I agree with Glock Glockler on the subject of medical funding. Regardless of how high-and-mighty such and such medical cause is, if it's funded by the .gov, it's funded with stolen money.

[Gmac]

" If it's funded by the government it's funded by stolen money" ----- My daughter was diagnosed with lukemia at age 13 but thanks to reserch with that "stolen money" and God's intervention she is now 19 and in college . Those of you who disagree should walk a mile in my shoes and or/ kiss my A$$!!!

[JimR]

The Nuge was on Hannity & Colmes last night and was in top form.

paraphrasing,

C. You and PETA don't get along very well.

N. Oh, PETA, God love'em, every time they say something about me I go out and kill twelve of something!

ROFLOL

[TimH]

Saw The Nuge in concert the in 2000. A couple of months before elections. Boy did he bash *******!

[DonP]

One of the daughters is at Northwestern for Pre-Med and one of her roommates came back to the apartment ranting and raving about how "crude" he was.

And the idea of killing, "cutting up" and eating animals that you killed yourself was so disgusting to her! Hypocrite, because she's not a Vegan, just prefers someone else to do her dirty work.

Her roommate's focus was on his language and not on his ideas. (Sheltered child I guess) I think he loses some people because of that, but it's his style and choice.

The general reaction from the people she talked to was they all thought it was pretty funny that he came up there and rattled a bunch of pet cages to the point that no one was willing to confront him on any real issues.

The daughter wished he had come a couple of days earlier when they had their 30 person peace march and a 20 person counter march.

Yeah, I bet Ted could have made that a more interesting gathering out on the commons, you betcha!

Don P.

[Viking6]

Read the article. Is this what's called "flowery prose"?

[Ewok]

Imagine if the NRA was composed of 4 million Nugent Clones!Better make that 3,999,999.

[Atticus]

I like most of what he say's, but not how he say's it. Those who already agree with him probably still will- but those straddling the fence will probably run the other way. But at least he's out there doing something and you gotta admire that.

[BamBam]

Gmac,
I'm glad your daughter is doing well.

Just to be clear on what Ted Nugent said:

"Gays get more tax dollars than boys and girls who have leukemia through no fault of their own," Nugent said.

Uncle Ted is on your side.

[Don Gwinn]

Gmac, I don't think anyone here wishes your daughter harm. I too am glad she's OK. But think about what your argument is here. Are you saying that you believe the tax money that went to your daughter's benefit was not stolen by force from American citizens by their government? Or are you actually arguing that although you'd rather money not be stolen from people, it's justifiable if it helped your daughter?

Either way, it's nice that we can have this debate over a story with a happy ending.

[Freedspeak]

NewShooter78

Reminds me of Davey Crockett in the old disney series when he showed up at congress in his buckskins.

( folks say I would probably be like that if I got into politics)

[publius]

LMAO! Saying Ted should change or quiet down or go away is like saying the wind should.

For those who want more unvarnished Nuge, drop on by his boards (http://www.tednugent.com/cgi-bin/tnusa/nugeboard3/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true). Lots of good people, and a heapin' helpin' of idiots to educate if you're bored. :D Nuge stops by pretty frequently when it's not hunting season to deliver his bombastic witticisms, usually IN BARELY COMPREHENZIBLE ALLCAPS. Loud and Proud. It's funny. :D

[Tall Man]

Just imagine the impact Mr. Nugent could have if his dialogue was a bit more user-friendly. His energy is a tremendous asset for our side. His consistenly cartoonish delivery, though, reduces the effect he could have for the Pro-Gun public relations fight.

Gmac - it's nice that your kid still walks this Earth. When are you going to reimburse the taxpayers for the borrowed time that we've funded? You got lucky on my stolen dime...so be it...now show some class and be quiet about it. (I'm a relatively patient fellow, but some behavior needs to be called out as wholly uncouth.)

Glock Glocker, the last paragraph of your post was right on .

Tall Man

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Edit - The tone of paragraph two is unnecessarily brusque. Your daughter's health is a blessing, Gmac. I am going to leave the content unchanged, though, since I stand by the spirit of my original post.

I just got to thinking about inequities in public health research funding (for example, the gross imbalance in $$ made available for breast cancer research vs $$ disbursed for prostate cancer research), and in doing so became quite frustrated.

TM

[Atticus]

Gmac: I'm glad your daughter is doing well, and personally...I don't mind contributing my taxes to pay for medical research that benefits us all sooner or later. OTOH the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Cowgirl Hall of Fame and about a million other projects should pay their own way or go away.

[Ewok]

Mega-dittoes on that, Atticus.

[Kcustom45]

Gmac I am glad you daughter is doing good. I lost someone to cancer who was very close to me, so I know what it feels like. To all those people pissing about money being "stolen" from you, don't you realize that medical research benefits all of us?
If you have never had anything more than a cold, good for you I hope you will have continued luck. But what if you had leukemia or something similar (I would NEVER wish that upon anyone). Do you really expect everyone here to believe that you personally would spend MILLIONS on trying to find a cure for yourself? Come on now.

[Glock Glockler]

Gmac,

I am sorry for the pain that you and your daughter endured as a result of her luekemia, a close childhood friend of mine died as a result of it.

My idea is not to try to harm luekemia research but to help it. I believe that most people would think luekemia research more important than a lot of what the govt wastes money on. Some good might have come from their massive spending, but we have to ask where research might have been if they hadn't stuck their paws in it. What do they ever do efficiently?

Whenever you get them involved you're going to have duplication of effort, oversight which causes red tape and regulations, and a whole bunch of nonsense that wouldn't exist if you let private organizations handle medical research. I think we'd be FAR ahead of where we are now if the govt got back to upholding the constitution instead of trying to play Santa Claus. Govt funding is not effective.

We also have the problem of the morality of it. Does one person have the right to petition the govt to use force to make others contribute to their charity of choice? If you believe so, just remember that there are a million others out there that believe that their own pet charity is more important than yours and will demand that the govt fund it as well. If you came to me and told me of your daughter's situation and asked for my help, I would gladly give it, but I loathe the idea of someone sanctioning letheal force to be used against myself and others in order to benefit another. Govt funding is not moral.

[labgrade]

Wishing such a full-blown original such as Mrs. Nugent's li'l boy Teddy to be anything other than he is ... well, wishing things to be other than they are.

As far as agreeing whole-heartedly with him - or anybody else - feh. I don't always agree with myself. ;)

He's better as he is than most people will ever be as someone else. (howz that for making some semblance of sense?)

Far as that tax-payer-funded medical stuff - I just do have to touch on it.

I'd betcha that there would be just as effective treatments & research if privately funded charity if less was being taxed - more would be more willing to give more freely if not at the "point of a gun."

I can't bitch. Shane, 2 months to the day for his heart transplant at the cost of a cool $1/2 million - not figuring in the anti-rejection meds at another $2K/month - for life.

I see it like true freedom. Might be a good idea to try just that for a while before trying to micro-manage the whole deal.

We just might find out that it does work quite well indeed without all the shenanigans.

[publius]

Do you really expect everyone here to believe that you personally would spend MILLIONS on trying to find a cure for yourself? Come on now.


No, but I do believe that many millions are spent by private drug companies and research facilities. The difference is the voluntary nature of how they get their money.

Do you really expect everyone here to believe that Tom Daschle and Trent Lott are so uniquely well-qualified to decide which avenues of research will be most beneficial that they should have the unique ability to force people to pay to put their ideas into motion? Come on now.

[labgrade]

& one might be pleasantly surprised at the amount of charity provided.

America (strike that) - the people who live Here - which is absolutely[/] AMERICA - unique & unknown anywhere else - has dumped incredible amounts of pure $millions of dollars into an incredible amount of charities - pure research, basic hospital fees,
... I could never even begiin to describe it.

We are the most charitable folk this world has ever known.

Nope. Drug companies haven't done it all alone for "profits," - a ton of it has been subsidized trough "fed grants - yada," but too, there's been an incredible amount of personal donations - some of it from our our church & our own private-stuff.

I must [I]du accord .... we have received more than we've contributed on this one - can't argue.

Rip up my arguement - I'm torn on this one myself.

I've a counter to what we already do - for less. Take your best shot. (in all honesty, sincerity & .... damned-if-I-know ..... I knoe my son's alive through "medical research" from whatever quarter. I can't, in all honesty, see that as a bad thing somehow .... )

[spacemanspiff]

there has only been one issue that nuge has spoken out upon that i disagree with. he claims that the alaska natives abuse subsistance hunting/fishing and that somehow this takes away from non-natives rights to hunt/fish. considering that many of my family still live on subsistance hunting/fishing that left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

[Glock Glockler]

Wishing such a full-blown original such as Mrs. Nugent's li'l boy Teddy to be anything other than he is ... well, wishing things to be other than they are

Again, is he there to "be himself" or is he there to be effective in furthering a certain set of ideas?

If he's there simply for his own gratification, fine, just say so and stop claiming to be an activist. If he wants to actually accomplish something of merit then he should cease counterproductive behavior.

I meet anti-freedom people of various shades but my goal is to persuade them, not necessarily to 'tell them what's on my mind' or 'be myself'. They might be idiots, but what do you accomplish by telling them so? You've insulted them and now they'll reject your idea vehimently, if for nothing else it's association to you.

[Sean Smith]

The Nuge is pretty funny, and pretty far down the list of people who are upsetting me. Is he going to be the NRA's messiah? Uh, no. He's too crazy. Terrible Ted is proof that you can be right about most things, and stone cold sober, and still be completely out of your mind. But since the pop star norm seems to involve shooting up smack or buggering small children, I'll get around to denouncing Ted for his potty mouth sometime around the year 2341. :D

[publius]

Glockler,

Ted is as shameless a self-promoter as you'll ever find. I don't think he sees any contradiction between that and his role as an activist.

He's pretty good at drawing and entertaining a crowd, and it's because he loves to be the center of attention.

Could he tone it down? I doubt it. I doubt he'd want to. He knows which side his bread is buttered on. The only reason you've ever heard of him is because he wants it that way. Would he be a more effective activist as a nice nobody like me? Heck, I hardly ever offend anybody! ;)

[Glock Glockler]

I never said that he should be a boring accountant, just that he should weigh the return on investment of what he says. If he starts bashing homosexuality, he is going to reinforce the image that people have of gun owners as a bunch of intolerant, heterosexual, white men who have insecurity issues. This is one of the great weapons of the antis, to link RKBA to that image of an inbred trailertrash white man who is stuck on an anachronism of an amendment that might have made sense 200yrs ago but is a threat to our safety now.

If RKBA is important to other segments of the population, they'll be a lot more likely to defend it. Bravo, Ted, way to help out the team.

Make no mistake about it, I'm no great fan of homosexuality (Norweigan lesbians aside) but I would not ever bring up my personal feelings about it if I were in any venue where I would speak in defense of RKBA. In what way would doing so strengthen the RKBA movement? We ought not to be alienating gays, we should be trying to bring the message of self-defense to them.

By using the F-word constantly, is he making gun owners appear any more intelligent? I think Oleg said it very well 'constant use of profanity is not offensive so much as it is pathetic'. Can one not find any other medium which to express oneself? And I'm sure that comment about "chasing fine pu**y" will work wonders in helping women be more sympathetic to RKBA.

It might work wonders in conservative males who like to see one of their own rant, but what does it do to bring fense sitters to our side? What kind of image does it project to those who we wish to reach out to?

At the end of the day, this is all a battle of numbers. The Constitution is being ignored by even the Supreme Court, who wish to engage in Judicial activism, so we cannot count of them to protect what is rightfully ours. The only way we are going to remain armed and begin to take back our country is through sheer numbers. It is only when we can start to outvote the gun grabbers and socialists that we will take back ground.

Why, in the interests of your own freedom, would you engage in any behavior which is counter-productive to increasing our numbers?

[publius]

Well, by all means come on over (http://www.tednugent.com/cgi-bin/tnusa/nugeboard3/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true) and explain all that to Ted. It'll be fun to watch.:D

Don't mean to be too much of a wiseass. Is that word allowed here? Oh well. Anyway, I agree that Ted could omit this or that and avoid putting people off. I just think you're asking the wind not to blow. Have fun at it!

[Kcustom45]

Private drug companies and research facilities would not be willing to spend millions without federal grants and/or protection. If I am wrong please explain it to me, maybe there is a different way of looking at it.

On a side not Ted Nugent donated 2 signed guitars to be auctioned off on the radio last Friday, the money was donated to help find a cure for leukemia. Both went for $1250.

[Glock Glockler]

Kcustom45,

Companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually on R&D, why would they not be interested in creating drugs that would help combat cancer? If you don't believe me, just go the the websites of fortune 500 companies that manufacture any type of product and see for yourself.

[Kcustom45]

Glock Glockler,
I am not saying that the companies aren't willing to spend the money. I am saying that they aren't willing to spend the money without government funding/protection. Most of those companies are receiving government funding (I would assume, but we know what happens when people assume). However, even if they have never received a dime from the government directly or indirectly, ALL of them benefit from government protection. If they didn't there would be no incentive to spend all that money on R&D. Plain and simple.

[Glock Glockler]

Kcustom45,

There are plenty of companies out here that put plenty into R&D right now yet receive no funding from the govt. They do it because they want a better product than their competitors, so that they will be more profitable.

Right now I sell office equiptment and one of my main brands is Canon, and they put 10% of their revenue back into R&D, and how much do they receive from the Feds? Zilch!

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/AboutCanon/ciwciinno.html

They will do it because it's good business.

With govt money also comes govt oversight and them sticking their noses into research and sometimes even trying to direct it due to political reasons, as Bush has been doing to stem cell research.

Get the govt out of that and lower taxes. People will have more money to spend and useful projects will be funded.

Why do you think govt involvment in scientific research is a good thing, is it because they do such an outstanding job paving the roads?

[publius]

custom45,

the difference between subsidies and protection of the law is that one is authorized by article 1, section 8, the other is not. Read up (http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/constitution/constitution_transcription.html) and see if you can tell which is which.;)

[Kcustom45]

Glock Glockler,
I'm sorry I guess I should have specified that I was referring to pharmaceutical companies. Mainly because of the large costs associated with R&D. However, like I said even if other companies get no money from the government they still receive protection from them.

publius,
Well I'll be...I guess you learn something new everyday. So, I was right about one thing and wrong about the other. I am man enough to admit that.

The main reasoning behind my arguments was that I got the feeling that there was an overall "Lets get the government out entirely" theme, and I wanted to point out that there was a LIMITED role for the government.

[publius]

Well I'll be! And here I was preparing my arguments against the interstate commerce clause and <gasp!> the general welfare clause. Glad to see they're not needed. ;)

Although, our government has been known to regulate drugs through their power to tax (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm)...

What was this thread about again?

[publius]

Oh yeah! Nuge!

Anyway, last night I was reading this piece in reason (http://www.reason.com/0303/fe.dc.creation.shtml), saying that intellectual property rights inhibit rather than enhance invention.

Not sure I'm buying it.

[Kaylee]

re intellectual property --

no way am I buying that Reason article. For all the papers one way or another, it really comes down to common sense and understanding human self-interest. Who's more likely to risk their fortunes to develop an idea -- the person that stands to make a killing from it, or the person who's life won't be effectivley changed? Sure, there's the exceptions like Kalishnikov...

... but note that he's gone Capitalist now. :D


Yes, indefinately extending patents and copyrights can quash competition.. but somewhere in the "one generation" timeframe is about right I think. Long enough protection to ensure that the developer can recoup his outlay, and preferably more.. not so long that the product line becomes stagnant. (otherwise we'd have never seen a Colt SAA with bored-through cylinders for brass cartridges!)

<< removed because on further consideration, this paragraph wasn't THR material >>


and re the Nuge... I'm with GlockGlocker. His message is often delivered in a way that is self-defeating. He is a fun character though... when he's not playing "look at me I'm a potty mouth" anyhow.

-K