Monkey County MD: U.S. Marshal Involved In Deadly Shooting


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Harry Tuttle
October 29, 2004, 12:19 AM
Montgomery County police are investigating a shooting involving an off-duty deputy U.S. Marshal late Thursday night.

A police spokesman says the deputy marshal was the shooter, and the person who was shot has died. The circumstances are still unclear.

The shooting happened at the Mid-Pike Plaza in the 11-thousand-800 block of Rockville Pike, between Old Georgetown and Montrose Roads.

http://wusa9news.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=34425

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http://www.nbc4.com/news/3871432/detail.html

channel 4 had video of a red "ricer" pointing into the front of the AC Moore store

witnesses reported the traffic altercation moved from 355 to the plaza and the red car tried to run over the armed marshall

the marshall had his family with him in his car

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Hawkmoon
October 29, 2004, 01:54 AM
Be sure to update when there are ANY facts to consider.

Harry Tuttle
October 29, 2004, 02:13 AM
nothing yet on WTOP or the Wash Post

heres on site video:
http://wusa9news.com/video/player.aspx?aid=16357&sid=34425&bw=

Harry Tuttle
October 29, 2004, 10:33 AM
U.S. Deputy Kills Driver In Dispute, Police Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8240-2004Oct29.html

By Allan Lengel and Nicole Fuller
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 29, 2004; Page B01


A traffic dispute between two motorists on Rockville Pike turned deadly last night when one driver, an off-duty deputy U.S. marshal, fatally shot the other in the parking lot of a busy shopping center, police said.

The federal law enforcement officer, who was driving with his family in a sport-utility vehicle, exchanged words about 8:30 p.m. with a young man driving alone in a red Chevrolet Camaro with New Jersey tags, said Capt. John Fitzgerald, a Montgomery County police spokesman.

The two drivers pulled into the Mid-Pike Plaza, where they got into a fistfight, Fitzgerald said.

"Preliminary information is that the deputy marshal tried to defuse and disengage, to calm it down and settle it, and wanted to get the local police involved," Fitzgerald said.

He said the young man got back into his car and drove toward or near the off-duty officer, who then opened fire, shooting multiple times. Officers found nine shell casings at the scene. The young man was taken to Suburban Hospital, where he was pronounced dead a short time later.

Fitzgerald could not confirm reports that the dispute stemmed from a fender bender.

A witness at the scene offered a different account of the incident at the Rockville shopping center where some had gone shopping for Halloween.

Eugenia Hull of Silver Spring said she and her sons, ages 12 and 15, were walking through the parking lot of the center, in the 11800 block of Rockville Pike, when they came upon the men having a dispute.

She said that the off-duty deputy stood in front of the Camaro with his gun drawn and that he ordered the young man out of the car.

She said the deputy marshal shouted, "Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot you again." He also said, "that's all the ID you're going to see," she added.

The deputy then threatened to shoot if the young man moved his car, Hull said.

"Then I watched the Camaro move around" the deputy, she said, and "I heard pop, pop, pop." She said the car jumped the sidewalk and crashed into the building.

"I feel it's so wrong for him to shoot this kid," she said. "I can't believe he shot him. I heard people say they had an altercation. How does that give him the right to shoot him?"

Fitzgerald said the incident is under investigation.

Attempts to get comment from the U.S. Marshals Service were unsuccessful. The deputy was treated at a hospital for minor injuries, officials said.

The names of the officer and the other driver were not immediately released.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8240-2004Oct29.html

Kharn
October 29, 2004, 10:41 AM
WWDC 101.1 was talking about it on my drive in this morning.
A listener called in and said he passed by only minutes after the shooting.

There was something odd about the situation, according to him:
The bullet holes in the Camero were in the back window, the front window was intact.

Kharn

Chipperman
October 29, 2004, 01:07 PM
Wow.

There are some seriously conlicting reports on this one.

Depending on which version is true (in reality it's probably somewhere in the middle), this is either a good shoot, or murder.

Harry Tuttle
October 29, 2004, 03:20 PM
we have had a fair number of pretend police officers pulling people over in the DC area in the last year...

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
October 29, 2004, 05:05 PM
Depending on which version is true (in reality it's probably somewhere in the middle), this is either a good shoot, or murder.


Unless this happened under some limited circumstance where a US Marshall would have authority to apprehend a suspect on a Federal Warrent, where's the authority for this Officer to draw his pistol, particularly in Montgomery County Maryland.

I'd like to see the Federal Marshall try some murderously arrogant crap like this here in Va where he could expect return fire.

Harry Tuttle
October 30, 2004, 09:47 AM
Road Rage Victim Was Shot From Behind
U.S. Deputy Argued With Driver Before Rockville Killing

By Fredrick Kunkle and Elizabeth Williamson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 30, 2004; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10479-2004Oct29.html

An off-duty deputy U.S. marshal embroiled in an apparent road rage confrontation along Rockville Pike on Thursday night fired repeatedly into the rear window of his adversary's car, killing the man as he sat behind the wheel, according to police and witnesses.


Numerous witnesses to the death of Ryan T. Stowers, 20, at the Mid-Pike Plaza in Rockville shortly before 8:30 p.m. were being interviewed by Montgomery County police yesterday. Authorities said no decision had been made on whether charges would be filed against Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, a 28-year veteran of the U.S. Marshals Service assigned to U.S. District Court in Washington.


"The rear window was shattered out," said Capt. John Fitzgerald, a police spokesman, who said investigators had begun to talk with at least 40 witnesses. "With that many witnesses, there ought to be a very clear picture of what went down."


Although Fitzgerald said Stowers may have driven toward the federal agent in the plaza parking lot, three people who said they witnessed the shooting told The Washington Post that Lloyd was standing with his gun drawn and opened fire after Stowers drove past him.


David Sacks, a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service, said the federal agency will decide Monday whether Lloyd, who was not at work yesterday, would be placed on leave during the investigation by Montgomery police.


"We will wait with everyone else for the facts of the case to become known," Sacks said. "Regarding what happened, we cannot comment until the investigation is complete."


Lloyd could not be located to comment.


Stowers, of Redding, Calif., enlisted in the Navy and had moved to the area on Navy business. A Navy spokesman yesterday would not provide any information about him.


The confrontation began in the thick evening traffic on Rockville Pike, a four-lane artery known for its routine congestion, and played out in the large, well-lighted Mid-Pike Plaza parking lot, about six miles north of the District line.


The following account of the incident was drawn from preliminary police reports, law enforcement sources and interviews with witnesses.


The altercation was sparked by a traffic incident on Rockville Pike and continued after Stowers and Lloyd turned into the shopping center lot. It is unclear whether the vehicles collided or the two drivers merely had a traffic argument.


Stowers pulled his red Chevrolet Camaro into the lot, not far from the A.C. Moore craft store, behind the dark-colored sport-utility vehicle that Lloyd was driving, with his wife and several children as passengers.


A shouting match turned into a fistfight, and Lloyd suffered a broken thumb, according to one source familiar with the investigation who declined to be identified because the investigation is not complete.


Cindy Nachman-Senders of Potomac said she heard shouting in the crowded parking lot as she strapped her 5-year-old son into his booster seat. She turned to see two men in a confrontation beside their stopped vehicles.


She said Stowers got into his car and was on his cell phone. She said Lloyd started yelling: "Give me the cell phone! I'm going to call 911!"


A witness who said he was driving in the opposite direction in his Toyota Corolla at that point said he saw a man who was wearing street clothes holding a semiautomatic handgun and a badge standing by the Camaro's right front fender. The driver's window was down, he said.


"I noticed that the officer was standing in front of the Camaro, pointing his gun and saying, 'Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot you!' He was yelling it very loudly," said the Toyota driver. He spoke on the condition that his name not be used because he was afraid of getting in trouble with the police. He said the man with the gun "just kept yelling. He was saying, 'You just hit a federal officer. Watch what's going to happen to you in the morning if you leave.' "


Stowers refused to get out of the car, the Toyota driver said. "The young man in the car was yelling: 'I need a picture ID. Show me a picture ID. I don't believe you,' " he said.


Another person who said she witnessed the incident, Eugenia Hull of Silver Spring, also said she heard Lloyd order Stowers to "get out of the car." She said Lloyd responded to the request for additional identification by saying, "That's all the ID you're going to get."


Witnesses agree that Stowers attempted to drive away, although there is not agreement on whether he moved in reverse or tried to swerve around Lloyd.


Fitzgerald, the police spokesman, said preliminary interviews indicated that Stowers "drove away in the direction of the deputy marshal . . . but we'll accept any fact pattern that changes this." He said investigators "would have to determine where [Lloyd] was and how far away from the car he was" when the shots were fired.


As Nachman-Senders saw it, Stowers reversed the Camaro, gunned the engine and then went around the SUV, not at it. "He was trying to leave the scene, not hit the officer," she said.


Hull described Stowers as trying to "move around" Lloyd when she heard the shots.


The Toyota driver said he had just eased his own car by the confrontation when the Camaro backed up and then lurched forward. He said he was about eight feet away when he heard the first of three shots, and he said that Lloyd fired into the Camaro from the rear.


"He shot the back of the car," the driver said. "He shot the guy in the back, pretty much."


Nachman-Senders said she turned back to Lloyd, who stood with the gun at his side. Then she heard a loud crash. She turned toward the noise and saw that the Camaro had hit a wall.


"I'm just in shock and disbelief. I can't believe there's a kid who was here one minute and then not the next," she said. "I can't believe that an argument could escalate this way so quickly. . . . How responsible was it for him to shoot like that in the middle of a busy parking lot?"

Spot77
October 30, 2004, 10:09 AM
Officers found nine shell casings at the scene

Great, there's Maryland's first murder with an "assault weapon"




Where's Quinter and Garagiola when we need them?

jefnvk
October 30, 2004, 12:59 PM
Yep, this sounds like a no-good shoot. It sounds like the threat had already stopped when he shot.

Shovelhead
October 30, 2004, 01:05 PM
Sounds like he brought a gun to a fist-fight. :scrutiny:

Stowers refused to get out of the car, the Toyota driver said. "The young man in the car was yelling: 'I need a picture ID. Show me a picture ID. I don't believe you,' " he said.


Another person who said she witnessed the incident, Eugenia Hull of Silver Spring, also said she heard Lloyd order Stowers to "get out of the car." She said Lloyd responded to the request for additional identification by saying, "That's all the ID you're going to get."


There have been several cases of "pretend" cops in the area in the past couple of months.

4 rounds through the back window doesn't sound like "I was in fear for my life" to me.

Sindawe
October 30, 2004, 01:21 PM
Furious Styles said:

I can't help but think that this guy would be in jail already if he were anything but a Fed.

I concur. Anybody but a Fed or off duty LEO would likely be arrested and incarcerated until they posted bail.

From the face of it, looks like a bad shoot.

nico
October 30, 2004, 02:51 PM
not only that, but the cops wouldn't be defending the marshal ("he tried to diffuse the situation" despite several witnesses saying otherwise) and they wouldn't be debating whether or not to charge the guy, they'd be debating which charges to file, regardless of the outcome of the investigation.
But, in Montgomery County, is anyone really surprised by the fact that they're circling the wagons?

Yooper
October 30, 2004, 02:57 PM
I agree, based upon the information provided, it doesn't look good.

The only possible explanation I can see is attempted homicide with a motor vehicle before the parking lot incident, and the reasonable belief that it would continue. But how do you then explain the fistfight?

tulsamal
October 30, 2004, 03:28 PM
I can't help but think that this guy would be in jail already if he were anything but a Fed.

That's exactly what I was thinking as I read about him firing multiple shots into a vehicle that was moving away from him.

Every group of LEO's has a few guys with a power complex and a gun. This guy sounds like he's got a bad temper to go with it.

Gregg

El Rojo
October 30, 2004, 03:38 PM
I am in no way one of the cop bashers that lurk about here, but in this case, this officer should be in prison. Why is a fender bender worth a young man's life? This officer should have known to de-escalate the situation and just let the kid go. If there was no contact between the vehicles (we don't know right now), then there is no reason to stop, especially with your family there. Instead he killed him in what sounds like a personal rage. I sure hope the DA in that county does the right thing. What a waste of a career and a life. And to do this all in front of your family. This is sickening.

Agent Schmuckatelli
October 30, 2004, 06:49 PM
He'll get away with it. We 'feds', as you call us, always do.
We need guys like him: hot-headed fighters that will murder given the chance. They obey certain orders others may not. Maybe he'll get a desk job for awhile then a transfer to keep him low-profile until he is needed again.
Reasonable men with even tempers and a background in constitutional law and negotiating skills are passe and wont be very useful in the near future.
Expect more of this behavior and subsequent administrative cover-ups in times to come.
Regards,
S-

saddlebum
October 30, 2004, 07:30 PM
from the info i saw on the news the fed was behind the car when it came at him in reverse. ( his story) that could explain shooting in the back,but i don't see how this could have escalated in to what happen if proper procedures had been followed by the leo.

Shovelhead
October 30, 2004, 07:34 PM
Interesting how, if going in reverse, the car ended up hitting the building nose- first. :scrutiny:

http://www.texasteamyamaha.com/PICTURES/1031968210904_icon_bsmeter.gif

nico
October 30, 2004, 09:18 PM
maybe the driver shifted into first with his last ounce of strength:scrutiny:

carebear
October 30, 2004, 10:20 PM
"The rear window was shattered out," said Capt. John Fitzgerald, a police spokesman, who said investigators had begun to talk with at least 40 witnesses. "With that many witnesses, there ought to be a very clear picture of what went down."

Or, like here in the really, real world, there'll be 40 different, individual, murky pictures of what went down. From which the investigators will have to try to extract the truth.

And the conflicting reports will of course remain to be given credence by those various 'others' with dull axes and time on their hands.


Long live the internet! Huzzah! :rolleyes:

carebear
October 30, 2004, 10:44 PM
Furious,

I was just refering to my experience/knowledge of the worth of "eye witness" testimony when seeking the actual, abstract facts in contrast to how it is perceived by the general public.

People's perceptions do wacky things of which they are often not aware.

As for me? My axes are just fine as far as this case is concerned. :D

Let's all hope the truth comes out.

Shield529
October 31, 2004, 12:07 AM
This looks bad, oh so very bad.
With his family right there to.
I think 15-20 years sounds just about right.

Sergeant Bob
October 31, 2004, 01:49 AM
"Preliminary information is that the deputy marshal tried to defuse and disengage, to calm it down and settle it, and wanted to get the local police involved," Fitzgerald said.

He said the young man got back into his car and drove toward or near the off-duty officer

Although Fitzgerald said Stowers may have driven toward the federal agent in the plaza parking lot,

So, Fitzgerald says all of the above, then comes off with this? "We will wait with everyone else for the facts of the case to become known," Sacks said. "Regarding what happened, we cannot comment until the investigation is complete."

I'd say you've already commented plenty there Chief, and all of it in favor of the deputy marshall's case.

Just planting the seed. Disgusting.

tyme
October 31, 2004, 10:35 AM
downloadable news clips:
http://www.thefiringline.com/video/20041028_MD

hammer4nc
October 31, 2004, 10:51 AM
Wagons are circling as we speak...

I think 15-20 years sounds just about right.

However, considering mitigating circumstances (shooter was a marshal), the ultimate sentence will likely be limited to a negative entry in his personnel file. :uhoh:

sendec
October 31, 2004, 11:07 AM
Y'all do understand that what happens to him is largely determined by a grand jury, and possibly a petit jury?

carpettbaggerr
October 31, 2004, 11:16 AM
But how do you then explain the fistfight? Contact between the vehicles, they stop to exchange information, and the kid hits the Deputy. Then the kid gets in the car and tries to back over the Marshal, only to find he's armed. After the Marshal fires, the kid puts the car in drive to get away, and crashes into the building.

We have no idea what happened. It could be a good shoot, or it could be a bad shoot. Eyewitness testimony is very unreliable, and often biased. As are all our views of this incident.

Based on the fact that the Camaro had New Jersey plates, I'd say he got what he deserved, but then I know I'm biased when it comes to Jersey drivers. ;)

Dbl0Kevin
October 31, 2004, 11:39 AM
Well first of all this shooting looks bad....very bad unless there's something that they're really holding back.

But I gotta say this has to be about the dumbest saying that I've ever heard:

"I'm just in shock and disbelief. I can't believe there's a kid who was here one minute and then not the next," she said. "I can't believe that an argument could escalate this way so quickly

Is this lady so dumb that she is unaware that human beings do die.......quite often, and on top of that they can become very aggresive....over stupid nonsense? :rolleyes:

nico
November 2, 2004, 12:40 PM
I just heard an update on this case on the radio. According to WMAL, the marshall was arrested and is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder. I don't mean to pass judgement, but it's nice to know that he doesn't seem to be getting a pass. It'll be interresting to hear more facts in the case.

F4GIB
November 2, 2004, 01:32 PM
Nico posted: According to WMAL, the marshall was arrested and is going to be charged with 2nd degree murder.

Unbelievable!

Sindawe
November 2, 2004, 01:59 PM
They enjoy cold cuts and boneless, skinless chicken breasts, but the thought of them starting as a living, breathing animal is beyond them. Seeing a human being turned into a sack of meat? Unthinkable.

All to true, Furious Styles, all to true. Folks get queasy when I tell 'em of the time I worked in a tissue donor facilty (turning donors into spare parts).

The marshall is being treated as any non-LEO would. Good, equality under the law is all I ask.

sendec
November 2, 2004, 07:24 PM
The system works as best it can.

JohnBT
November 2, 2004, 08:41 PM
Hmmm, a fistfight, a broken thumb, a shot to the ankle and a 911 call. The plot thickens. JT

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18425-2004Nov2.html?nav=most_emailed

U.S. Marshal Is Charged With Murder In Shooting

By David Snyder and Fredrick Kunkle
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 3, 2004; Page B01

A deputy U.S. marshal who shot and killed a Navy seaman after a traffic dispute in Montgomery County last week was charged yesterday with first-degree murder and other offenses, authorities said.

Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, of Silver Spring was arrested by Montgomery police yesterday and also charged with reckless endangerment and using a handgun during a violent crime in the shooting of 20-year-old Ryan T. Stowers. Lloyd, a member of the U.S. Marshals Service for 28 years, was being held without bond at the county jail.

When the incident began, Lloyd, who was off duty, was driving a sport-utility vehicle, and Stowers was driving a Chevrolet Camaro shortly before 8:30 p.m. Thursday when they pulled off Rockville Pike and into the parking lot of Mid-Pike Plaza, according to police and witnesses. They said the two got out of their vehicles, then had an argument and a fistfight.

Lloyd suffered a broken thumb and other injuries in the fight, and Stowers was hit in the ankle by a bullet from Lloyd's service weapon, according to two law-enforcement sources who requested anonymity because the investigation is open. It is unclear whether that initial shot was fired intentionally or accidentally.

The sources said three more shots were fired after Stowers got back in his red Camaro and dialed 911 on his cell phone. The fatal shot went through the open driver's side window, striking Stowers in a shoulder blade. They said another shot shattered Stowers's rear windshield but did not hit him. The final shot hit one of the car's taillights.

In deciding whether to file charges, authorities said, they focused on whether Lloyd had a legitimate reason to open fire -- whether he feared for his life or for the lives of bystanders.

"I want you to know that investigators have interviewed over 40 witnesses, reviewed and evaluated extensive physical and forensic evidence, and have consulted with members of the state's attorney's office throughout this investigation," Montgomery Police Chief J. Thomas Manger said yesterday. Based on that, he said, authorities "believe it is now appropriate to bring charges in this case."

Don Hines, spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service, said yesterday that Lloyd was suspended without pay after the arrest. Lloyd's attorney, David Sanford, did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Stowers joined the Navy in March. Kelly Servis, 18, a friend who lives in Stowers's hometown of Redding, Calif., expressed relief that Lloyd had been charged. "It pretty much doesn't matter what the incident was over," she said yesterday. "It shouldn't have escalated to a gunshot." She said Stowers's family is "really happy" about the arrest.

The shooting happened on a four-lane road in the Mid-Pike Plaza lot. The roadway runs perpendicular to the shopping center and rises on a slow incline toward Rockville Pike. Stowers was alone in his car. Lloyd was with his wife and several children, authorities said.

Felipe Andrade, 19, of Gaithersburg, who witnessed the shooting and was interviewed by police, said the Camaro stopped behind the SUV in the lot. He said it appeared that the two vehicles had been involved in a fender bender.

After the two men fought and Stowers got back in his Camaro, Andrade said, he saw Lloyd holding what appeared to be a black semiautomatic and a badge. He said Lloyd was standing close to the Camaro's right front fender. The Camaro's engine was running, and the driver's window was down, Andrade said.

He said he heard Lloyd yell, "Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot you!" and "You just hit a federal officer. Watch what's going to happen to you in the morning if you leave." Andrade said Stowers was yelling, "I need a picture ID! Show me a picture ID!"

"He sounded scared," Andrade said. He said the Camaro backed up, then moved forward and around the left side of the SUV, as if to leave. He said the car did not drive at Lloyd. "He drove away in a normal fashion," Andrade said.

He said he then heard three shots.

Sindawe
November 4, 2004, 02:08 PM
emphasis mine

Wife Tried to Stop Deputy From Shooting
Attorney Says Off-Duty Officer Was Defending His Family in Fatal Fight With Seaman

By David Snyder
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 4, 2004; Page B04

The wife of a deputy U.S. marshal who shot and killed a man after a traffic dispute in Montgomery County last week tried to restrain her husband before he opened fire, according to a police affidavit filed in court.

But the deputy, Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, rebuffed his wife, saying, "I'm going to show him," then fired the first of four shots, the affidavit states.


Ryan Stowers reentered his car after being shot in the leg and yelled at Lloyd to show him a photo ID.

The initial shot hit the victim, Ryan T. Stowers, 20, in the right leg during a confrontation between him and Lloyd in the parking lot of Mid-Pike Plaza, off Rockville Pike, shortly before 8:30 p.m. Oct. 28, according to police. Stowers was out of his vehicle at the time, as were Lloyd and his wife, according to the affidavit. Other court documents identify the wife as Wanda Guzman Lloyd, 29.

Police said Stowers, a Navy seaman, was killed by a subsequent shot, which struck him in the upper back after he had gotten back in his car and was driving away, according to police.

The incident apparently followed a traffic altercation on the pike between Stowers, who was alone in his Chevrolet Camaro, and Lloyd, who was with his wife and several small children in a sport-utility vehicle, according to police and witnesses. The two pulled into the parking area, got out and fought before Lloyd drew his weapon, police and witnesses said.

Police said they interviewed numerous witnesses. During the fight, "Lloyd sustained some injuries," the affidavit states. It does not say who threw the first punch. "As a result of the fight with Stowers," the affidavit states, Lloyd drew his weapon. "Lloyd's wife exited the vehicle and tried to restrain him," according to the affidavit, which does not say how she tried to do so.

After being shot in the leg, the affidavit states, Stowers screamed, "You just shot me!" Then he called 911 on his cell phone, according to the affidavit.

Lloyd ordered Stowers to get on the ground, but Stowers got in his car, the affidavit states. Lloyd told Stowers not to drive away and identified himself as a law enforcement officer, showing his badge and saying, "I'm a federal marshal," according to the affidavit.

Moments later, Lloyd fired three shots into Stowers's car as Stowers was driving away, according to police and a witness interviewed by The Washington Post. One of those shots struck Stowers in his upper back, killing him.

Lloyd, a 28-year member of the U.S. Marshals Service who was off-duty at the time of the shooting, was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder and other offenses. He is being held in the Montgomery jail pending a bond hearing tomorrow.

Stefanie Roemer, Lloyd's attorney, said her client "was acting reasonably in the course of duty." She said Stowers "was an individual who was in an agitated state who was clearly posing a danger to the officer and his family." She said Lloyd "was acting not only reasonably but in defense of himself and his family."

Lloyd suffered a black eye and a broken thumb in the fight with Stowers. Two law enforcement sources, speaking on condition of anonymity because the case is still under investigation, said Stowers punched Lloyd repeatedly and pulled his shirt over his head. Stowers beat up Lloyd "pretty badly," one source said.

After Lloyd showed his badge, Stowers said, "Show me your ID, show me your photo ID," the affidavit states. "I don't believe you. Show me an ID, something with a picture."

At the same time, the affidavit states, Lloyd was yelling "Get out of the car, or I'm going to shoot. If you leave, watch what's going to happen to you in the morning. You just hit a federal officer."

As Stowers drove past Lloyd, who was standing on the driver's side of Stowers's car, Lloyd fired three shots, the affidavit states.

Police said one bullet passed through the open driver's side window and hit Stowers in the upper back; the other two smashed the car's rear window and a taillight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23625-2004Nov3.html

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Sounds to me like the Marshall got his clock cleaned in a physical altercation, and them decided that since he's a federal officer, he does not have to stand for having his gluts kicked.

12-34hom
November 4, 2004, 04:41 PM
It's amazing how someone with that many years as a LEO could be that completely stupid and vindictive.

It really galls me. Hope he enjoys a long stay in the nearest penitentiary.

12-34hom.

Hawkmoon
November 4, 2004, 08:57 PM
It does sound like the marshal went off the deep end, but ... FIRST degree murder? I don't think so. Where's the premeditation? Is this going to be another of those cases where the prosecution will claim that "premeditation" can occur in a nanosecond?

I suppose I'm terribly naive, but I can't help thinking the justice system would function a whole lot better if prosecutors would charge people with charges that actually relate to the circumstances and to the law, ratheer than throwing the entire law library at every defendent and leaving the juries to try to sort it all out.

F4GIB
November 4, 2004, 10:51 PM
Hawkmoon posted:
Where's the premeditation?

Here it is. But the deputy, Arthur L. Lloyd, 53, rebuffed his wife, saying, "I'm going to show him," then fired the first of four shots, the affidavit states.

Ellery Holt
November 5, 2004, 05:33 AM
Wow, what a bunch of cop-bashers.

Were you there to see what happened? Didn't think so.

We've got only half the story here folks!

;)

Oh yeah, almost forgot: At least the officer went home safe that night.

:D

Ellery Holt
November 5, 2004, 08:53 AM
It's too darned early in the AM for us to be posting -- I'm being a sarcastic smart-ass, and you're overlooking the winks and grins I put in my post.

I agree, pretty cut-and-dried case of a citizen paying the ultimate price for... what's the name for it... something like 'pissed off cop'.

Best to you and all here -- I'm going to bed! (Finally)

Edited to add: What's the Ellery Queen reference? Is that someone's name, as in common knowledge?

G'night

wingman
November 5, 2004, 09:10 AM
From an oldster ,for me this is another indication of our Walmart society
gone nuts. Sorry, but if we don't change as a society(I don't have a clue
here as to how to do that) we will turn into a Mad Max movie.:(

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
November 5, 2004, 10:57 AM
Stefanie Roemer, Lloyd's attorney, said her client "was acting reasonably in the course of duty."

This sounds like absolute BS.

Don't Federal Marshalls have only limited jurisdiction to escort prisoners, serve Federal warrents, and take suspects into custody on said Federal warrents?

And...hats off to the the Montgomery County Maryland Police.

sturmruger
November 5, 2004, 02:29 PM
I like to support LEOs whenever possible but this one doesn't sound good for the Marshal.

As they say you should always try to get away. In most road rage scenarios people always pull over and get out of their cars. I can tell you I would never get out of my car unless the other person broke my drivers window and pulled me out. It is just not worth the risk of getting assaulted.

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