Fright night dilemma


October 29, 2004, 07:02 AM
My wife and I were discussing this last night, and I’d like your viewpoints/opinions.

Quick background on the set-up…rural home in New England on 3+ acres of land. Cannot see the 8 neighbors on the 1-mile stretch of single lane road we live on. No sidewalks or streetlights and I know everyone on the road, as they know us.

So my wife and I have gotten into the habit of enjoying a “date night” once a week. A chance to eat a nice meal, spend time together and whatever. On these nights I place my CCW in a fast-access safe, hide the shotgun, and have some drinks. I am too old to get falling-down stupid, but there are times when I am not able to legally drive…and obviously shouldn’t be near weapons.

Before the static starts remember, I am at home, I have two very protective dogs, and I think I deserve a night of light yellow to (shudder) :what: condition white. I am not totally unobservant, but neither am I jumping at every sound.

Here’s the question. With all the talk of fright night, what if some goblins with destruction/mayhem on their minds were to descend on my idyllic evening and initiate actions that would require deadly force?

Pick your own scenario/reason… question is, how much trouble am I going to be in for defending myself in a less-than-sober condition.
In my own home.
In the middle of nowhere.
Where the options are me or them….. and they came to me.

I can see at least two ways this could turn out, and am wondering what other ideas are out there.

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October 29, 2004, 07:09 AM
Lock your doors, pick out a costume for your wife, and have fun. Stop worrying about it.

October 29, 2004, 08:46 AM
. . . how much trouble am I going to be in for defending myself in a less-than-sober condition. I know that most states have an "implied consent" law requiring you to take a drunk test if you're driving, but I'm not aware of any law requiring you to take a drunk test after an incident of self defense.

If I were being questioned in the aftermath of a self-defense incident at my own home - or anywhere else, for that matter - I'd limit my interaction with the police to "I was in fear for my life, and I wish to speak with an attorney." I would NOT admit to imbibing any adult BEvERages, nor would I take a drunk test.


(And I wouldn't worry about "goblins" coming to my home on "date night" unless it was Halloween.)

October 29, 2004, 08:55 AM
Here ya go...

Concealed Carry at Nudist Camp (

You're welcome.


October 29, 2004, 09:59 AM
...With all the talk of fright night...Huh? :confused:

What the hell is Fright Night and when is it supposed to happen?

Sounds kinda tin foilish to me - ya know what I mean Vern?

October 29, 2004, 10:00 AM
I've got to learn to use the smilies better. Not particularly worried on date night or any other, no need to fence the yard as the dogs are well trained, and she already has the costume:D

Just came up in conversation as "What if you've been drinking?" I tell her about this forum and she suggested posting so that we could get other views.

Hanks post was good, and I liked Diggler’s 2nd one……that’s what I was looking for!!

October 29, 2004, 10:02 AM
I think it's also known as Hell Night. It's the night before Halloween when the bigger boys and girls go out and cause mischief. Used to be TP-ing houses, rotten eggs, burning bags of poop on the porch, etc.

Now it's one of those nights of the year that worry firemen.:uhoh:

October 29, 2004, 10:24 AM
Define "New England".

In New Hampshire, there is no law against using a firearm for defense while intoxicated. If they break into your home and give you reason to think they are about to attack you, or if they try to burn your house down, you can use deadly force.

Of course, it's not gonna make you look good in court if there's anything borderline about the situation.

October 29, 2004, 11:50 AM
Castle doctrine takes precedence. If they are in your house the judgement call is smoke em. In the dark hours, break ins are Burglary 1, which is considered "violent". Thus by police def it carries with it violent crime penalties. ...Being a violent crime because they break in, knowing full well that you could be home, and that there more than likely will be a conflict.

Violent crime? violent response. The only time they may question you is if you have had too many and it is obvious. Enjoy date night there, Sparky ;)

October 29, 2004, 12:00 PM
I live in the not-so-great state of MA, and we have Castle Doctrine here as well.

If a strange person is in your house uninvited, you can reasonably assume they are up to no good.

October 29, 2004, 12:17 PM
New England as in not as good as NH, not as bad as Mass. That would be in CT.

Castle doctrine is a given.....faced with someone in my house (just me and the wife live there) I'm not gonna stop to ask who or why.

This all came up because it used to be that if my buddies and I got together and started rough-housing after a few drinks someone usually got hurt. Not from over-intoxication, but because you would throw a kick or tweak a hold a with more fluidity/less control and either hurt yourself (overextend) or the other guy.

The reasoning behind the practice was the concern that if you were in such a condition and had to react how would you do? Turns out the reflexes work ok, but the fine motor skills go out the window (who'd a thunk?):scrutiny:

Anyway, that's what brought it up......seeing as we've gotten old enough and experienced enough to know that alcohol and firearms, wrestling, grappling, knife throwing or juggling sharp objects don't mix well. If any HTH occurs it's one thing, the aspect of bringing a gun into the equation motivated the thread.

Though if I decide to juggle bowling balls with a buzz on I have to do it outside, and there's no sympathy if I drop one on my foot:cuss:

R.H. Lee
October 29, 2004, 12:25 PM
I'm waiting for a thread dedicated to preferred carry methods while naked and sporting wood.
Well, I don't know about a firearm, but I can carry two cups of coffee and a dozen donuts in that condition. :D

October 29, 2004, 12:45 PM
You just need to get out and practice shooting drunk some more, that's all.


Disclaimer for all you old curmudgeons that can't take a joke--I WAS KIDDING!

Andrew Rothman
October 29, 2004, 12:59 PM

October 29, 2004, 02:21 PM
More? :what:

October 30, 2004, 02:19 PM
I had a similar question a little while back and got quite a few responses.

drinking while carrying (


October 30, 2004, 10:54 PM
Drunk or sober, what are you talking about -- shooting a teenager for soaping the windows of your car? Whaddaya mean "fright night" -- in your idyllic, rural New England paradise do the kids practice home invasions on Halloween eve?

Don Gwinn
October 31, 2004, 12:35 AM
I've heard it called Devil's Night--supposedly a night of arson. However, I thought it came to an end when Eric Draven (who was channeling the spirit of The Crow at the time) killed all the top gang leaders and threw Top Dollar off the church.


November 1, 2004, 05:13 AM
Just as I would not hesitate to drive someoone to the hospital if they had a heart attack and I had comsumed a few cold ones, nor would I hesitate to shoot a known and identified threat to human life.

Just make sure it's really a burgler/killer/etc. and not just some kids.

And don't talk to the police. At all. From a distance, say "I was in fear for my life." and that is it.

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