Disney remembers a different 'Alamo'


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February 26, 2003, 06:33 AM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31239

Disney remembers a different 'Alamo'

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Posted: February 26, 2003
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Given Hollywood's current anti-war, anti-military, anti-thinking stances, I suppose it was only a matter of time before it came for Davey Crockett. But who would have imagined it was Disney that would lead the charge against the legend?

What would Walt say?

Monday's Los Angeles Times carried a front-page story on "The Alamo," Disney's in-production blockbuster scheduled for release this Christmas. The key paragraphs:

"'We're making sure all viewpoints are expressed,' said Disney Studios Chairman Richard Cook. 'You have to stay away from the stereotypes and not make broad judgments of any group.'"

"This time Crockett, played by Billy Bob Thorton, is depicted as a frightened wanderer struggling to match his larger-than-life reputation for exploits that never occurred ..."

"'It would be really hard to do something rah-rah jingoistic, patriotic,' [director John Lee] Hancock said in an interview. A sometimes 'messy and confusing' portrait of the motivations behind the conflict, he insisted, 'is much better that the white-vs.-brown version, which by the way, is completely inaccurate.'"

"One of the thornier issues in the various scripts produced so far has been Crockett's death, a subject of controversy since it occurred in 1836. Persistent lore, bitterly disputed by the famous Tennessean's fans, held that Crockett, rather than fighting to death, was executed after begging for his life."

In 1995, a North Carolina State professor, James Crisp, made an argument that an eyewitness account, written in prison by a Lt. Col. Jose Enrique de la Pena, was authentic and that the account had Crockett executed on Gen. Santa Ana's orders. Others dispute that, and brand the prison diary a forgery. This is the stuff of academic history, and the predictable arguments will rage forever. And into such conversations between scholars, agenda-driven directors are free to dive.

Director Hancock is free to choose between accounts, of course, but the choice he makes is a statement not about what happened at the Alamo, but about what he and Disney thinks America in 2003 ought to think about the Alamo, and about the virtues or sins of the men who defended it. This early report from the Times is not promising.

The desire to wreck the outline of history that serves the idea that America, for all its flaws, was honorably conceived and built is powerful among those who find profit in affecting disaffection. Pop singer Paula Cole just let rip with an anti-Bush song that includes the hilarious line "what about us folks who live hand to mouth ..." This is the sort of pose that passes for thought in modern entertainment circles, and it is a far cry from Jimmy Stewart marching off to join the Air Force, which he did even before Pearl Harbor was bombed – before, in other words, the threat had been made so clear as to be impossible to ignore. (Stewart entered as a private and rose to the rank of colonel during the war, earning the Air Medal, the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Croix de Guerre and 7 battle stars.)

The anti-Bush crowd argues that it isn't anti-American, just anti-war or anti-W. They casually repeat the blood libel that "it is all about the oil," and they are patient with a brutal dictator that has murdered hundreds of thousands. To indulge such fantasies is to ignore the entire history of our country, and to attribute to their fellow citizens the worst sort of evil. This is not easily done against the backdrop of American anti-imperialism and genuine idealism, the record of withdrawal from Iraq in 1991 or of reconstruction of Germany and Japan. In order to construct a picture of present-day American malevolence, it is necessary to deconstruct the understanding of the American past that makes such claims absurd.

So the project to redefine America moves backward even as it moves forward. There is no conspiracy, of course, only a mindset rooted in thin education and a desire for attention. There is no blueprint, only a shared attitude that finds thrill in Oliver Stone's fevers and inspiration in Susan Sarandon's rants.

A couple of years ago, during one of the last meals I shared with Col. Bill Barber, retired from the United States Marine Corps, and a Medal of Honor recipient for his heroism at the Chosin Reservoir, I had a glimpse of the real deal's view of the posers. Disney's "Pearl Harbor" had just been released, and I asked the colonel if he had seen it. "I knew Jimmy Doolittle," he said, "and I am not going to see any movie that has Jimmy Doolittle played by Alec Baldwin."

The colonel didn't elaborate, nor did he need to. When Hollywood celebrates the genuine courage and sacrifice of the military that secured for it the freedom within which artistic license flourishes, the public responds. See: "Saving Private Ryan," and "The Patriot." When the politics of the left creep in, the public stays home. When Disney's "The Alamo" appears in December, the box office will once again reflect the political choices currently being made. You have to wonder if the shareholders are watching.

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ahenry
February 26, 2003, 10:44 AM
Persistent lore, bitterly disputed by the famous Tennessean's fans, held that Crockett, rather than fighting to death, was executed after begging for his life. There has never been any evidence that he was executed after begging for his life. There is what I consider to be extremely thin evidence that he was executed, but even the sole source of that belief states that he died “bravely”.

This early report from the Times is not promising. What do you expect, it’s the Times. The information I have been reading suggests there is a good chance it will do a good job of telling an accurate story. It is certainly trying harder than some of the other iconic Alamo films. FWIW, the director is the same one that did The Rookie and Ron Howard is still involved in the production, and both of them have done good jobs of maintaining accuracy. I'm not counting it out...yet.

Blackhawk
February 26, 2003, 11:28 AM
How about this view?

The Battle of the Alamo was a tactic to stall Santa Ana while giving the Texicans time to consolidate at Gonzales. After finally being victorious at the Alamo, Santa Ana's forces were defeated at Gonzales. Thus, while the tactic of holding off Santa Ana at the Alamo ended up being a military defeat, it was a tactical success that enabled the Texicans to defeat Santa Ana.

Think maybe that's what happened?

Bob Locke
February 26, 2003, 11:40 AM
As a native Texan, I can assure Disney that they won't be getting a nickle from me or anyone in my family, for this movie or any others. My kids may be "deprived", but I'm not going to risk them becoming "depraved" by exposing them to any more of Disney's new stuff.

When I was a kid 25 years ago, I worshipped at the Disney altar. It was good, wholesome entertainment, and I could recongize it even at 9 or 10 years old. Now they're just full of crap, and my family is steering clear.

I do remember the Alamo, and I'm quite sure they won't do anything resembling a good job of representing the sacrifice that went on there in the fight for Texas's independence.

Dennis
February 26, 2003, 12:07 PM
The Alamo?

Go there.

Look. Read. Imagine.

Read Travis' last letter.
(The nice folk there will GIVE you a copy.)

Then come back with your crap about cowardice and begging.

Oh, and bring your OWN Medal of Honor with you,
or ANY decoration which required valor of YOU!

(He jests at scars, who never felt a wound.)


:fire:

treeprof
February 26, 2003, 12:33 PM
Billy Bob Thornton as Crockett? Is there any character he WOULDN'T make look like a loser freak? The man is not suited for roles depicting anything but.

CZ-75
February 26, 2003, 02:05 PM
"and I am not going to see any movie that has Jimmy Doolittle played by Alec Baldwin."


I watched about half that crummy movie. :barf:

I timed it so that I would only watch the battle, which wasn't too bad.

The characters and that awful 3-way love story made me want to retch. I think I actually cheered for the Japanese to kill off all the pathetic characters.

I also hoped, since this was a historically inaccurate POS to begin with, that the Japs would've continued on to the mainland and bombed Alec Baldwin's Jimmy Doolittle.




As to the Alamo, don't these folks know that John Wayne already did that picture? :D

Selfdfenz
February 26, 2003, 02:36 PM
What Dennis said!
Visiting the Alamo is a pretty moving experience.

What happened at the Alamo was not politically "messy or confusing" for the men on both sides that were there. By the time they were watching each other over their gunsites, all the issues were crystal clear.

I have come to expect nothing worthwhile out of Hollywood these days.

If those Disney artsy types would actually go the SA and visit the Shrine (yep that's what it's called) they might even find out there were a few other people there beside DC......and that those men came from just about every state in the Union as it existed at that time.

S-

BigG
February 26, 2003, 03:06 PM
All I can say is whoever made this piece o' dreck better never show their face in the fair state of Texas as the Daughters of the Republic will tear them a new one. Cowardice, indeed! That revisionist junk science mentality that always has to find a new wrinkle. Who wrote the screenplay, Geraldo Rivera?

I have stood on the site of the Alamo a couple times and my friends that is consecrated, hallowed ground. And, no, not because it was once a church. :fire: :barf:

JoeSF
February 26, 2003, 03:29 PM
Mexico has continued to have violent revloutions into the 20th century and severly corrupt governments to date and we are somehow supposed to believe that we would be better off if they were in charge.

El Tejon
February 26, 2003, 03:50 PM
O.K., I'll ask. What is everyone so upset about? This movie has not been released yet? Is there a preview on the Internet that has everyone upset? What gives?

TallPine
February 26, 2003, 04:04 PM
ET: You just have to be a Texan to understand ... :D

DeltaElite
February 26, 2003, 04:06 PM
Well we wouldn't want to offend the Hispanic population by telling the truth, now would we. :rolleyes:

Wasn't that the last battle the Mexican army won?
Heck, even the French have a better battle record than the Mexican army. :neener:

FPrice
February 26, 2003, 04:20 PM
"O.K., I'll ask. What is everyone so upset about? This movie has not been released yet? Is there a preview on the Internet that has everyone upset? What gives?"

From what I understand, there has been some advance press which portrays both Crockett and Sam Houston as cowards and drunkards. Now, being that they were real people, they may in fact have had some less than stirling qualities. But they managed to rise above any such frailties and conduct one of the bravest actions ever made by Americans.

It is an insult to the honor of the 186 or so men who died there.

(edited to add)

An insult made by men of no honor.

FPrice
February 26, 2003, 04:36 PM
"Wasn't that the last battle the Mexican army won?"

No. Didn't the Mexicans also defeat the Texans at Goliad shortly thereafter?

DeltaElite
February 26, 2003, 04:40 PM
I dunno, seems the Mexicans had the Texans number if they lost two in a row. ;)

Don't hurt me, I'm just be a smart aleck. :D

Tim Burke
February 26, 2003, 04:46 PM
Read Travis' last letter.
Is that this one?

Viking6
February 26, 2003, 04:54 PM
I visited the Alamo about six years ago -- moving experience. I also walked down the street apiece IIRC to a hotel that's claim to fame was that it had a bar where Teddy Roosevelt enlisted many of his Rough Riders. I had to commemorate the visit to the bar with a Shiner Bock.

Speaking of Mexican victories, did Black Jack Pershing ever catch Pancho Villa?

Hazwaste
February 26, 2003, 05:06 PM
I believe (if I remember my Texas History classes) that the Goliad Massacre happened just prior to the Alamo. The battle cry up until the Alamo had been "Remember Goliad".

My wife and I used to picnic over at the Goliad site when we were dating. It's kind of sad how it has been left to deteriorate.

BigG
February 26, 2003, 07:25 PM
Um, Frosty. They were Texians. I guess some were Americans, too.

Hkmp5sd
February 26, 2003, 07:29 PM
I'm still mad at Disney for not giving Woody a gun in Toy Story. He spent the entire movie running around with an empty holster.

Zander
February 26, 2003, 07:38 PM
Can't wait to see the reaction from Tamara [from a mountaintop in Tennessee]...

Poor Walt...the friction must have reduced his remains to very fine dust.

Oatka
February 26, 2003, 07:58 PM
Took my kids to the Alamo some years back.

Got a lump in my throat when I read the sign over the entrance,
"Gentlemen, remove your hats, for brave men have died here."

Whoa! I almost tip-toed around the place.

Quartus
February 26, 2003, 08:14 PM
Poor Walt...the friction must have reduced his remains to very fine dust.

Ah, yes, Mr. Bambi himself. Yeah. He was sure our friend.

JoeSF
February 26, 2003, 10:46 PM
Something lke 30% of the people who fought to create the bear flag republic that became california were spanish. They knew they were better off being part of the US. The myth perpetuated in public schools is that land was "stolen" from mexico. This is nonsense. I think we are getting sick of it.

Don Gwinn
February 26, 2003, 10:58 PM
I'm not a Texan. . . . yet. I'm just practicing. :evil:

The idea that Billy Bob Thornton is going to play Davy Crockett like every washed-up hero cop character in Hollywood. . . . that's nauseating.

TexasVet
February 26, 2003, 11:54 PM
That, ALONE, should be enough to make Billy Bob have second thoughts about ever setting foot in Texas again. I predict bomb threats at the Texas openings, except in Austintacious and Plano, maybe Dallas. I know if my small town had a theater, no one would go. Might not be safe!

FPrice
February 27, 2003, 08:14 AM
"Um, Frosty. They were Texians. I guess some were Americans, too."

Point taken. But, what do I know, I'm just a Yankee. By birth I might add.

:D

FPrice
February 27, 2003, 08:17 AM
Here is some information on the Massacre at Goliad.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/GG/qeg2.html

FPrice
February 27, 2003, 08:23 AM
"DeltaElite...
"Wasn't that the last battle the Mexican army won?"

No. Didn't the Mexicans also defeat the Texans at Goliad shortly thereafter?"

I stand corrected. Goliad happened a few months before the Alamo. See the link I posted above.

The Nip
February 27, 2003, 09:04 AM
Walt Disney was not only a confirmed communist, but an avid fan of LSD. Why does this surprise you?


NIP

ahenry
February 27, 2003, 11:56 AM
First and foremost, for anybody that hasn’t read many of my post and doesn’t know, I am a diehard and dedicated Texan. Peruse some threads on TFL (try this one (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=139745) for starters) to see just how much. In fact, I don’t think you will find a more rabid supporter of Texas than myself (ask el tejon). However, I don’t think anybody here is justified to say this movie will be bad. I have been following the production of this movie for something like a year or more now, and there are significant reasons why this just might be the best Alamo movie out there. I could go through a litany of reasons why if y’all wanted me to, but I’d suggest you not jump on the “this movie will be nothing but PC crap” bandwagon until there is reason to. I’ll admit I am more than a little nervous that the movie will succumb to PC, but the director (who, I might add, is Texas born and raise and not yet a real “hollywood” type) appears to be determined to make sure history is told accurately, unlike John Wayne’s movie, while keeping with the spirit and mystique of the Alamo. For now, I am very optimistic of this one. We will have to wait and see however.


BTW, did anybody read the article in this months Texas Monthly? There is an article raising the question of whether or not the Alamo should have been fought. The author makes a very valid point that raising such a question in no way lessens the sacrifice made at the Alamo. However, I have to say his reasons for making the claim that the Alamo was a mistake were pretty ridiculous. Art did a far better job in the thread I linked to above. I still disagree, but hey, thats what makes it fun to study. Regardless however, I thought this author was perhaps one of the worst I have read on the matter in a long time. Just thought I’d toss that out there for the crowd...

Edward429451
February 27, 2003, 12:58 PM
Ah, yes, Mr. Bambi himself. Yeah. He was sure our friend

Yep. He turned communist with his American Spirit cartoon way back when and never looked back. He'd be proud. Why's this suprise any of us at this point?

Selfdfenz
February 27, 2003, 01:51 PM
I was under the impression Disney was habituated to some type of opiate(s). LSD??
Either way, he would be right at home in today's Hollywood would he not?

S-

Sam Adams
February 27, 2003, 04:21 PM
This is one Texan (by choice, not by birth) who won't go to see the PC version of The Alamo. I'll recommend that all of my friends do the same. I'd rather rent the 1960 version, as it is closer to the truth.

I am really getting sick and tired of the PC crap that Hollywood is spewing out. I won't see any of it. Those of you who are shareholders in Disney and other movie companies ought to complain to your hired help that they are costing you money due to their political stances, and that this won't be tolerated any more.

BigG
February 27, 2003, 04:37 PM
Here's my take on the 1960 Classic: The Alamo (http://www.epinions.com/content_89489444484)

ahenry
February 27, 2003, 04:37 PM
This is one Texan (by choice, not by birth) who won't go to see the PC version of The Alamo. I'll recommend that all of my friends do the same. I'd rather rent the 1960 version, as it is closer to the truth. Please tell us all just what info you know that shows us this movie will be less accurate than the John Wayne Alamo, a movie that while enjoyable from an entertainment point of view was incredible inaccurate. I really want to know what this movie is doing that is so “PC”. Please share with us.

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