USA: "Top gun nut proves other gun nuts right"


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cuchulainn
February 26, 2003, 08:38 AM
from the Times Picayune:

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1046242517247750.xml

Top gun nut proves other gun nuts right

Wednesday February 26, 2003

James Gill

I can't decide whether I like the AK-47 or the Uzi better, so maybe I'll buy one of each when the ban expires.

That way I'll be well equipped to resist government tyranny, which, so the Second Amendment absolutists say, is what it's all about.

am worried about John Ashcroft, though. Not only is he the biggest gun nut ever to be attorney general, but he has also emerged as the very embodiment of government tyranny.

That would appear to make him his own worst enemy.

I hope he sticks to his guns, however. Without him in charge, perhaps nobody would come knocking on the door in the middle of the night, and I'd have wasted my money.

A gentleman doesn't hunt ducks with an AK-47, and Uzis are practically useless unless you're dealing drugs. Most of the banned guns, according to the NRA, are used for target practice, although there doesn't seem much point in perfecting your aim unless you plan to rub out a few guys sometime.

It says here in the paper that there will be heated debate in Congress over whether the ban on "assault weapons" should be renewed. Maybe so, but the outcome is not hard to predict because the administration will probably be happy to let it die.

President Bush, in his election campaign, said he was in favor of renewal, and Ashcroft, at his confirmation hearings, declared that some restrictions on gun ownership might be reasonable. But nobody was fooled. Bush duly carried crucial rube states, where Al Gore's views on gun control were the kiss of death, and no sooner was Ashcroft confirmed than the NRA called him "a breath of fresh air" and stuck his mug on the cover of its magazine.

I think my AK-47 and Uzi are pretty safe. I'll need them until we get Ashcroft's cold, dead hand off the Bill of Rights.

It's not just Ashcroft, of course. Over at the Pentagon, John Poindexter is beavering away on the ultimate government snoop, a plan to "mine" databases on the entire citizenry. The purported purpose is to find the terrorists among us, but that would require a level of efficiency not generally associated with the federal government.

Congress has assumed oversight and demanded reports before any snooping occurs. But this may not be all that reassuring, Poindexter having been convicted in the Iran-contra affair of lying to Congress, obstructing its investigation and destroying official documents.

Poindexter's convictions were overturned on grounds that he had been granted immunity to testify, but there is no telling what is now going on in the bowels of the Pentagon. The name of Poindexter's baby, Total Information Awareness, is so 1984.

Meanwhile, Ashcroft's Department of Justice has concluded that too much due process survived the Patriot Act, passed by Congress in the panic after 9/11. Although it is now possible for American citizens to be held indefinitely and incommunicado as "enemy combatants," and although constraints on government surveillance have been significantly relaxed, for instance, Ashcroft has concluded the country has not moved far enough in the direction of a police state.

Thus his minions have drafted the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, which would authorize secret arrests and allow an "intent to relinquish" American citizenship to be "inferred from conduct." The government would also be given the go-ahead to collect DNA from anyone suspected of terrorist connections.

Nobody would quarrel with the proposition that extra vigilance is required in times of peril -- the Constitution provides for the suspension of habeas corpus "when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public safety may require it" -- but the Constitution does not provide in any circumstances for the tyranny that Ashcroft would impose.

He may be the best argument for "a well-regulated Militia" in more than 200 years.

James Gill is a staff writer. He can be reached at jgill@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3318.

©2003 NOLA.com.

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treeprof
February 26, 2003, 10:36 AM
Bush duly carried crucial rube states ...

Cool, I live in a "crucial rube" state.

Blackhawk
February 26, 2003, 11:42 AM
Nobody would quarrel with the proposition that extra vigilance is required in times of peril -- the Constitution provides for the suspension of habeas corpus "when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public safety may require it" -- but the Constitution does not provide in any circumstances for the tyranny that Ashcroft would impose.Well, maybe nobody except James Gill in the very same paragraph he wrote! :rolleyes:

I guess he thinks that invasions must come ashore in variants of Higgins boats on the beach instead of through customs and breeding. :rolleyes:

AmericanFreeBird
February 26, 2003, 11:54 AM
Why is it that people are so afraid of UZI's?

Whatever happend to "We have nothing to fear but fear itself."?

Mikul
February 26, 2003, 12:16 PM
I'm afraid that I cannot afford a real Uzi.

CZ-75
February 26, 2003, 02:18 PM
I hope this was an editorial, and not passed off as "unbiased' reporting.

MitchSchaft
February 26, 2003, 04:18 PM
Well, the first half of his writing was bogus. The 2nd half was more like it.

Hazwaste
February 26, 2003, 05:15 PM
Who would use a rifle to hunt birds anyway? Whatta dolt!

I fully intend to use my scoped AK clone to deer hunt next season just so I can successfully fight the "Nobody hunts with an AK" argument.

Quartus
February 26, 2003, 07:09 PM
Cool, I live in a "crucial rube" state.


Ah, but are YOU a "crucial rube"? THAT'S the important question!




Hmmm. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This idiot is right about Ashcroft. He's freedom's enemy.

OF
February 26, 2003, 08:21 PM
More mush-headed ramblings. These people have to send logic on a vacation to write this garbage. Who publishes this crap? My kingdom for some eloquence!

These people must just sit home at their word processors and vomit up this bed-wetting holier-than-thou stream-of-consciousness tripe and hit 'send' knowing that somewhere some fellow bed-wetter will put it in print.

Where have all the INTELLIGENT PEOPLE GONE?

:barf:

- Gabe

Quartus
February 26, 2003, 09:34 PM
an "intent to relinquish" American citizenship to be "inferred from conduct."


Ah! I see Mr. Dictator-In-Training did some homework and found out that SCOTUS has already (like nearly a couple of centuries ago!) ruled that the gummit cannot take away citizenship. This is a clever attempt at an end run around that little annoyance.


:barf:

twoblink
February 26, 2003, 10:37 PM
Obviously most writers have never shot an AK47, as the accuracy is so poor, if you are shooting at a bird, it better be big and close..

AK's are good for spray and pray, and that's about it..

Uzi's are less accurate then that...

To think of going hunting with an AK or an Uzi, you'd better be prepared to starve for a while..

A 10/22 is a much better hunting weapon then either..

That said, this article is just trash...

ahadams
February 26, 2003, 11:19 PM
well I also live in a "crucial rube state" (heavily armed crucial rubes, I might add) and have the particular (or peculiar, in traditional usage) honor of having been 'mentioned in dispatches' by staff of our newest senator as a crucial rube, so to speak.

so my message to John Gill and company would be "suck it up, dirtball."

Tamara
February 26, 2003, 11:27 PM
The antis are really cranking up the "Uzi & AK-47" bandwagon here of late, and I'm not sure I've heard more than the sound of crickets chirping from our side. :uhoh:

Tamara
February 26, 2003, 11:28 PM
AK's are good for spray and pray, and that's about it..

Sounds like you haven't done much AK shooting, yourself... :rolleyes:

cuchulainn
February 26, 2003, 11:32 PM
Hmm?

I want a CRUCIAL RUBE t-shirt.

Better yet, maybe I'll start a bluegrass-punk fusion band: The Crucial Rubes. You know, kind of like Black Flag sings Bill Monroe. Or maybe Ricky Skaggs and Allison Krauss do a duet of "Anarchy in the U.K."

ahadams
February 26, 2003, 11:40 PM
oh man - the guy with the unpronouncable Irish (celtic) name has got the right idea - I want a "Crucial Rube" tee shirt too! :D

TexasVet
February 26, 2003, 11:41 PM
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To think of going hunting with an AK or an Uzi,
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Hunting javalina with an Uzi is a great deal of fun. Hunting feral hogs with one is even more fun and the sucess rates with a full auto Uzi are better than with a handgun.

BigG
February 27, 2003, 11:26 AM
Call me a rube - a well armed rube. :D

pax
February 27, 2003, 10:46 PM
...there doesn't seem much point in perfecting your aim unless you plan to rub out a few guys sometime.
Someone get that boy to the range. Obviously he has no concept of the word "fun."

pax

I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure. -- Clarence Darrow

labgrade
February 27, 2003, 11:44 PM
This yahoo thinks Ascroft is a friend of the 2nd?

He's as 'bout as accurate as he thinks any SKS/AK-variant isn't - which are plenty good for takin' out any emu/ostrich-sized critter (bird hunting anyone?) well past 150 yards.

Besides knowing nothing about guns, the guy's prose sucks & he's a twit.

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BenW
February 28, 2003, 11:17 AM
Now I'm jealous that I don't live in a Rube state. But I AM a Rube -- wonder if that counts???:D

jmbg29
February 28, 2003, 12:24 PM
Where have all the INTELLIGENT PEOPLE GONE?I'm still here! :D

PATH
February 28, 2003, 12:30 PM
AK can make for a fine inexpensive deer gun. I know several who have used it. The UZI is a fine home defense/plinker type firearm.

I like being a rube!

Henry Bowman
February 28, 2003, 12:39 PM
Molon rube!

Hey, CooHoo, I want a t-shirt too!

Justin
February 28, 2003, 01:53 PM
Don't be too hard on 'im. I think that Jimmy Gill is going through a bit of soul-searching with regard to the stance he's held on the second amendment and guns in general. The blinders are coming off, and he's getting a little freaked out by how bright the light is. The leftists have been in control of this country for so long that they never had to imagine a situation in which their pet civil rights were being tromped on. That's changed, and you can see it in the last line of his article:He may be the best argument for "a well-regulated Militia" in more than 200 years.


By the way, isn't a crucial rube one of those square-shaped puzzles where you have to match up the sides so that the colors on each side match?;)

Marko Kloos
February 28, 2003, 02:03 PM
Yeah, I remember those from the 80s...a Cubic's Rube.

labgrade
March 2, 2003, 02:54 AM
Justin,

You may be more on the money than many would care to admit.

Not so much that they finally see the reasoning, but moreso that they buy into the failings of the side they bought into.

& doesn't that merely make 'em taitors to their own side & much more dangerous to our own?

Unthinking twits who'd change at the drop of a hat are to be despised.

Yada & just rambling musings ....

Don Gwinn
March 2, 2003, 08:52 PM
I don't live in a rube state, but I'm working on escaping to one. I've noticed they have a lot fewer and less brutal murders than you tend to find here in the swingin' center of urbane culture.

What a dimp.

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