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Silent-Snail
November 3, 2004, 11:02 AM
If I have the gun uncocked does it have the same effect as the safety? Specificaly if there is a round in the chamber (fiddeling with safety with a round in the chamberreally makes me nervous). I only ask because it usualy takes me a good minute + to engage the frelling thing.

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WhoKnowsWho
November 3, 2004, 11:26 AM
Decocking and then recocking the whole thing would make me even more nervous. Why not just not load a round into the chamber until you are ready to shoot? If you load up the box mag, and press the top round down when you move the bolt foward, you can close it without a round...

George S.
November 3, 2004, 11:33 AM
Having a round in the chamber with it uncocked would make me nervous too. Because the cocking knob is fairly small, if your hand would slip while pulling the knob back or letting it go forward, it could send the firing pin forward with enough force to fire the round. Not a good thing.

The Mosin bolt is easy to operate (once you get the chamber clean :D ) and it cocks on the upward motion so it would be very easy to pull the bolt back and remove the chambered round or push it back into the magwell, then simply close the bolt and push down on the top round in the magwell.

Silent-Snail
November 3, 2004, 11:47 AM
With the 91/30 I use I can't close the bolt on a full mag which is what prompted the original question. If you can what kind of mosin do you use? Tried both the safety and decocking in various cercumstances and not once did I mess up when I decocked as opposed to the safety which has repeatedly slipped off.:banghead:

RON in PA
November 3, 2004, 11:58 AM
Decocking a Mosin with a round in the chamber? I think you are out of your mind. Aside from the possibility of slipping and having a ND you are going to have a chambered rifle with the firing pin resting on the primer, that's really safe. NOT! :banghead: :banghead:

If you were in the Russian/Soviet Army this would qualify you for a punishment batallion or a one way ticket to Siberia.

Silent-Snail
November 3, 2004, 12:23 PM
I didnt mean to imply that it was smart just that I FEEL SAFER DOING THAT than relying (sp?) on a safety that slips. Oh and I haven't done it with a live round, I'm not that stupid I use empty cases and after this will just have four rounds instead of five so I can close the bolt without a round ready to rock.

jefnvk
November 3, 2004, 01:15 PM
How are you using this gun? If just target shooting, I simply don't load it when I'm not shooting, and unload it when I'm done.

SpookyPistolero
November 3, 2004, 02:31 PM
I'm really not trying to just spout something trite when I say the only safety you need is between your ears. I understand wanting to have a mechanical safety, but as other posters have stated, they can fail. Decocking it on a live round certianly isnt an option. This leaves either not having a round chambered until your ready to shoot or just plain old keeping your finger off the trigger. If I have reason enough to believe I will be needing that round soon, I opt for the latter of the two.

-SpookydoesntrequirethatmuchdisciplinePistolero

W Turner
November 3, 2004, 03:55 PM
The way I understand it, the Mosin actually cocks when you lock the bolt into the horizontal position. I have experimented with an empty chamber and I cannot pull the trigger unless the bolt is in the fully locked (i.e., horizontal) position.

When hunting, I usually just chamber the round and turn the bolt just enough past vertical to lock it into position, but not enough to cock the firing pin. If I have to shoot, I can easily and quietly finish the downstroke on the bolt.

BTW- I hate the safety on these as well.


W

atek3
November 3, 2004, 04:08 PM
amazing what a small world THR is. I was just about to post a very similar thread (how to close the bolt on an empty chamber with 5 in the mag on my M39) and this thread was at the top of the list...hurray for THR.
I have 4 in the mag, one in the chamber, with the bolt just passed vertical as Turner suggested.

atek3

cracked butt
November 3, 2004, 07:18 PM
I must be the only person in the world who has no problem with the safety on the Mosin?

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
November 3, 2004, 10:56 PM
I've seen a webpage that was posted here months ago where a guy took a piece of heavy wire and welded a 'loop handle' to the bolt to make it a little easier to manipulate the safety on his particular M-N.

Here's the link.

http://www.gswagner.com/mosin-nagant/safe/safe.html

As for me, I just leave the rifle in an unchambered condition until I'm ready to shoot. CB, you must have the hand strength of a gorilla. I'm pretty strong across the hands myself, but I'd rather leave the frazzlin' thing with an empty chamber just on general principle.

Regards,
Rabbit.

SkunkApe
November 4, 2004, 08:01 AM
I must be the only person in the world who has no problem with the safety on the Mosin?

Before owning a Mosin Nagant, I'd read a lot about their difficult safeties. When I checked out a friends 91/30, I was suprised to find the safety pretty easy to operate.

Then I got my own Mosins, a 91/30 and an M38. The 91/30's safety is workable, but not as easy as my friend's. The safety on the M38 requires everything I've got to engage it.

It seems the difficulty of operating the safety varies quite a bit from rifle to rifle, in my experience at least.

mhdishere
November 4, 2004, 09:36 AM
Here's a link to a thread of Parallax Bills C&R site dealing with working the MN safety. I hope the link works OK, if not let me know and I'll cut and paste the text.

(http://p077.ezboard.com/fparallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforumsfrm25.showMessage?topicID=8663.topic)

Malone LaVeigh
November 4, 2004, 01:23 PM
I don't find the safety very difficult to engage, but there's a disconcerting click when I disengage that makes me wonder if it's slamming down too hard. It's after I let off, the knob seems to hit a resistance and then jump another short distance to seat in. Doesn't feel too safe, so I just shoot single-shot at the range.

Cosmoline
November 4, 2004, 03:17 PM
Yes, decocking with a live round is very dangerous. OTOH the safety is extremely safe. The trick to engaging it is to lock your wrist and use your major arm muscles to roll it on and off. It's a great safety.

Clean97GTI
November 5, 2004, 12:49 AM
I don't have problems with the safety on my M44.

I will not leave the pin resting on a primer. Just asking for an AD.
At the range, I just load all 5 and shoot em all. If I have to stop, I hold the rounds down and close the bolt on an empty chamber. You could also open the mag floorplate, but you risk dumping your ammo in the dirt.

Ghost_Point
November 5, 2004, 06:30 AM
I use a finish m39 and the safety doesnt cause me any problems. Still I use the push down the round and close it empty. If your using an empty case to close it on just do the push down the rounds thing and close it empty. Screw safetys they'll get you killed in combat.

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