[Mannlicher]

I got an email from Mark at FourFourMags today. He told me that the Ruger 20 round mags I ordered from them for my Mini-14 right after the AWB sunsetted, would not be shipped. Ruger has decided not to sell any mags to wholesalers, but only direct to Law Enforcement agencies. Ruger is determined to keep high cap mags out of the hands of the comman man.

I will not buy any more Ruger firearms. I have, lets see, 8 now. They are all on the block, and I will sell everyone of them.

Ruger does not deserve business from gun owners. Bet those buttheads voted for Kerry.

[Trebor]

What Ruger's are you selling? I may be interested.

Btw, I agree that their policy is BS. We'll see if they hold to it after people start to complain and if sales drop any.

[No4Mk1]

If this can be confirmed I would fully support a boycott and letter-writing campaign.

[JohnMc]

I like my Rugers. I'd probably buy more, but...

Who do they think they're foolin'? Aftermarket mags will be made.

This policy is anti gun owner.

I figure my boycott has already started, but a real one, with letters will let 'em know why their sales drop.

[JohnKSa]

No surprise there...

They wouldn't sell them before the ban either.

[albanian]

This is serious. If this is true, we need to show them that this policy will not pay. They have to decide if they are pro-gun or anti-gun right now! Are they selling hi-cap pistol mags to the public? I think I saw some for the P-89 at the last gunshow but I didn't look because I don't have any Ruger centerfire autos.

I can understand them not selling hi-cap 10/22 mags because the gun was never intended to be a hi-cap gun but I think they are missing the boat on a lot of 25 and 30rd sales. The Mini-14 and Mini-30 are SUPPOSED to be hi-cap guns! Why would anyone want a 5rd Mini-14?

[MeekandMild]

Back when I had a Mini 14 (a long time ago) I found it wasa gun which had no problems with USA mags. There was a problem getting factory mags 'way back then as well.

[bad_dad_brad]

You all have to understand the Ruger is one of the most savvy of U.S. gun manufacturers. They cater to the main stream and a few niches that other manufacturers have ignored. That is why they are so successful, and profitable, where other's like Colt and S&W have had such financial problems.

You may not like it but they know good business, and any kind of controversy for Ruger is something they avoid. Besides, who the heck wants a 20 round mag for the Mini-14 anyway? After a couple of shots the barrel heats up and accuracy goes to heck.

Personally, and I have a Mini-14, all I desire is a good 10 round clip, and I have several.

[TheOtherOne]

If it's true, I'll be scratching the Mini-14 and 10/22 off my "To Buy" list.

[wasrjoe]

You may not like it but they know good business, and any kind of controversy for Ruger is something they avoid.

Sounds like they want to do without my business then. I'll gladly oblidge them.

[joab]

who the heck wants a 20 round mag for the Mini-14 anyway That's not the point, or shouldn't be.
If this is true Ruger has decided to stand with the Brady's, again. This is as much or more of a slap in the face as what S&W did.
You may not like it but they know good business, How is it good business to tell your customers that you do not respect their right to own your product.

[psyopspec]

Is this confirmed by more than one source? Where do I send my letter to (electronic or snail)?

[Chuck Jennings]

You may not like it but they know good business

It is not good business to ignore your customer's desires. The demand will simply be met elsewhere in the marketplace. They could make a lot of money selling 20 rnd mags for one of the most popular gun models in the country. Instead, they bow to the pressure of interest groups that are working to put them out of business.

[Pinned&Recessed]

The local Cheaper Than Dirt had brand-new in box, oil-coated 20-round LEO-marked Ruger Mini-14 mags for sale. $28.00 each if I recall.

[Clean97GTI]

If it's true, I'll be scratching the Mini-14 and 10/22 off my "To Buy" list.

No reason to avoid such a great arm as the 10/22.
Just don't buy it new. Get one that is a few years old that Ruger doesn't make money on anymore. Then pick up some 25 round magazines for it and enjoy your assault weapon ;)

[JohnKSa]

that people can find the time to post but not to read...

As I said earlier--this has been Ruger's policy from the BEGINNING.

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BAN EXPIRING.

This is NOT A POLICY CHANGE.

Ruger has ALWAYS limited the sale of mini-14/30 magazines holding more than 5 rounds to LE only.

If you want to boycott, go ahead--frankly I hate the policy and it's one of the reasons I no longer own a mini. BUT let's not pretend that this is something new that's popped up since the expiration of the AWB.

[psyopspec]

Thought it might be new given the fact that they couldn't market to non-LEO's during the AWB. It's not really the policy to boycott, but rather the continuation of a policy...

[wasrjoe]

John, I think it also has to do with the fact that some people thought this policy would change with Bill Ruger no longer being in power and the AWB dying.

[Ghost_Point]

Don't buy weapons from the USA and they'll be selling everything again as fast as they can. Screw Ruger and Screw Smith & Wesson

sell your ruger and get an AK variant. There is a reason why Marines grab up AKs in the feild.

[joab]

As I said earlier--this has been Ruger's policy from the BEGINNING. OK fine make the boycott retroactive.

It does not matter that the policy is not new. For the past ten years it's been a non issue so not many people have been aware of it. Now that it's being brought to light and more people are aware of it, more people should express their opinion about it to to Ruger.

[Derek Garland]

10 round Ruger is a name well earned John Norrell recieved a letter once from Rugers leagal dept. that he must stop the conversion of 10/22 to select fire that it was illegal to do so(this was pre '86) and it has been said that Ruger has braged that the 10/22 cannot be converted to full auto agian this is pre '86.
A good friend who was a USMC gunsmith had a Ruger a556 to repair for the end user in effort to locate parts for this thing called Ruger and was told they never manufactured such a thing...Why the hell anyone would want such a thing as a full auto mini 14 I will never know 2 mags and you cant hold it with any m16 you can dump a Beta mag and still hold the gun.Rugar has long held the policy of no badge no need so I will let them beat down there own cotten row and take my money elsewhere.and then ther huge investment cast pistols Wow....w/10RDS who decied that rd 11,12,13...Did all the damage anyway what are the first 10 spoters?

Just the ramblings of an idiot.....

[buzz_knox]

"No badge, no need." I like that. And it describes Ruger accurately. The spirt of William Ruger lives on. Folks, there is a reason that the Mini-14 was specifically excluded from the AWB. Ruger sold out long ago. This is a great opportunity to remind the world of that fact.

[JohnMc]

No reason to avoid such a great arm as the 10/22. Agreed, buy a receiver from one of the companies that make steel ones, buy the rest of the parts from Volquartsen or some such.
Result: 10/22, no parts from an anti-gun owner company.
:cool:

[Heavy Barrel]

Hey guys,I have a near new original Ruger 10rd Mini 14 mag if any one wants it.:D

[Sulaco]

...10 round clip...

:rolleyes:

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. If anyone was going to take you seriously, you lost them with that sophmoric screw-up. The point isn't that you sir prefer ten round MAGAZINES. It is that Bill Ruger is a sellout and only interested in money (which I think you hit on quite well).

This issue is the reason I do not buy Ruger (new) firearms. I will not support a company who feels the need to legislate sales. I told all of my friends (and posted it hear and at Glocktalk) that Ruger had no plans to change their policy to reflect the new sunsetted law. Bill Ruger is the reason the law included magazine capacity limits in the first place.

Screwem. :fire:

[9mmMike]

I don't own any Ruger products. I never liked their politics but has anyone written to them to confirm this post-AWB policy?
Although I am all for letter-writing and boycotts as effective means to get a point across, before we go crazy, you might wish to give them a chance to explain.
Mike

[mr_dove]

well, I'm interested to see something in writing directly from ruger reflecting what exactly their policy is.

I sold my Ruger handgun without knowing about this development. I'll certainly reconsider any possible Ruger purchases.

[George S.]

Seems to me that if we all wrote to Ruger asking them to produce higher capacity mags for our Mini's and do it in a postive note, then who knows, Ruger may change their mind and begin to offer them. Encouragement and a potential market can work wonders if the end result is increased profit for the company. The Ruger website now offers 15-round mabs for some of the P-series 9mm pistols so that is a good start.

Even if Ruger decides to not ever offer hi-cap mags, there are any number of aftermarket sources and while some may not work as well as others, they are out there. Most all of the mags I buy for my pistols or my Mini come from the atermarket so it doesn't really bother me that Ruger dos not (currently) offer hi-caps to the public.

Ruger makes very good handguns and long guns. They are strong and dependable and are an excellent value for the money. I have 6 Ruger firearms and will probably buy more as money permits. The number of companies offering guns made entirely in the USA is falling off. For my gun purchases, I can put some of my political ideas aside when it comes to keeping Americans empoyed.

[mr_dove]

I just called and spoke with Ruger Corporate. They confirmed it for me.

Ruger Policy is that the only guns to get full capacity magazines are 9mm handguns.

All other handguns and rifles only get 10 round magazines.

Not sure why they make the distinction between 9mm handguns and everything else but there it is.

[Mute]

Screw them. Get an AR-15 and tell your friends what they'll be facing if they buy a Mini-14. Email all your friends and CC: Ruger's Customer Service.

[George S.]

All other handguns and rifles only get 10 round magazines.

So where on the Ruger website are the 10-round Mini-14 or 30 mags?? Hell, I'd be happy to get factory 10 rounders!!

And if all other handguns get 10 rounder, does that mean there will be 10-rounders available for .45's?? May have to get a P90 or a P345. Guess that there will be some anouncements around the 15th of this month on new offerings from Ruger so maybe I'll just sit back and see what comes up.

[Kilroy]

Bill Ruger is the father of the AWB. He never intended for the public to have the high capacity magazines for the Mini. His letter on how to ban magazines and guns, sent to everyone in congress, was crafted to exempt his products.

After that became known, he spent years and millions to get back into the graces of the gun buying public.

[mr_dove]

I just learned that the high capacity magazine ban was the brain child of Bill Ruger. He fathered it and supported it 100%. His proposition was for 15 rounds but they even betrayed the betrayer and changed it to 10 rounds.

Check out this article if you didn't already know.
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.html#vq

You can also search for "ruger" in the politics forum.

Ruger is no friend of ours.

I posted a bit on my research in the political forum as well if you want to participate there as well.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109839

[PMDW]

Not suprised. I would expect nothing less from Ruger.

Grabby bastards.

[Black Snowman]

Old news. I have only bought 1 Ruger, and it was used and just too good of a deal to pass up. I like their revolvers. I hate their politics and BS. Not a big fan of S&W's history either but I did end up buying a post-agreement gun. CZ has been getting most of my business of late and will continue to.

[bcbr]

Absolutely will not give them inny bitty amount of my money ever. Not directely ,we have found enough 1022s and revolvers at pawn shops and private sales to fill a pu truck, can I say f345$$$##kkkkk them I would not p!zz on them literally ,if they were on fire . Sorry if thats to much and i am tired of the eliteism .pc crap from all these companies and politicians,refer to rugers at the pawn shops and private sales. I have many 1022s and mini 14/30s and buy my parts from someone else.Had one custom built at ASI.:banghead:

[greg700]

Yeah, I got the same e-mail:

Dear customers,
We are sorry to report that Ruger is now only selling their 20rd
magazines
directly to law enforcement agencies. Ruger had originally agreed to
continue shipping them to us however with this new change in policy we
cannot acquire the magazines you ordered. We have attempted to find
alternate sources for the magazines but none are available.
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

-Mark Gleason



I have had my mini for 6 years now, and I just went ahead and ordered my first AR from Bushmaster.

While I don't see the good in selling the Ruger firearms I already own, I will not be buying any more.

[M16]

No surprise there...

They wouldn't sell them before the ban either.

That simply is not true. I can remember buying a mini-14 in the late 70's that came with two 20 round magazines. I still have the magazines as a matter of fact.

[RRTX]

Some of you looking for them may want to check out Cheaper Than Dirt, they had a ton of them new in ruger packaging last week when I was in there. I'm probably gonna head up there in a few minutes again, I'll check out the price and report back

[Heavy Barrel]

Yeah, I got the same e-mail:




I have had my mini for 6 years now, and I just went ahead and ordered my first AR from Bushmaster.

While I don't see the good in selling the Ruger firearms I already own, I will not be buying any more.


Don't cut off your nose to spite your face! :banghead:

[DT Guy]

Ruger is an anti-gun gun company-if you can figure that out, you're smarter than me. And while I won't sell the Rugers I own (since that wouldn't help anything) I will NEVER EVER give Ruger another cent of my money. There are plenty of gun companies that never sold out the citizens of this country.


Bill Ruger was a traitor, and not much of a gun 'designer' either...


Larry

[JohnKSa]

That simply is not true. I can remember buying a mini-14 in the late 70's that came with two 20 round magazines. I still have the magazines as a matter of fact.I didn't say they NEVER sold hi-caps--I said that they wouldn't sell them before the ban.

I don't know when they stopped, but they had already stopped in the early 1990s (91 or 92) which was well before the ban. Given the difficulty I had finding used ones even back then, I would guess that they stopped selling them some time before I became aware of it.

[Mulliga]

Old news, but still valid.

Just another reason to buy a stripped lower AR receiver from a company that supports us - Armalite, Bushmaster, RRA...

Never owned a Ruger firearm, and probably never will. :mad:

[Tom C]

Screw them. Get an AR-15 and tell your friends what they'll be facing if they buy a Mini-14.....
Exactly. ! Why on earth would anyone want a cheap, inaccurate, poorly made Mini-14 when there is an endless variant of quality made AR15's available?? There is an endless supply of USGI magazines available all the time. :)

[Badger Arms]

Bill Ruger was a traitor, and not much of a gun 'designer' either...I disagree... he was a wonderful designer. The New Model revolvers are wonderful pieces of machinery. His GP-100 type revolvers are magnificent, tough, well-constructed guns. The 10/22 is a tight, well-made design that is pretty much ubiquitous. Where I can't say that his rifles are the most accurate on the market, they are tremendously tough and reliable so long as you have a RUGER magazine. Sure, he sold out but he's also DEAD now and they should have let his politics die with him. Smith & Wesson finally came around (and doubled their prices). Frankly, I don't know why another company doesn't just make a GOOD quality aftermarket magazine based on their design? I've yet to see one. I can tweak the USA magazines and get them to work just fine, but it takes finesse.

[Michael the Disciple]

Hi all,

Exactly the opposite is being said on a thread at Timebomb2000! Someone there is saying the policy is changed and they WILL be selling to civilians. Who is right?

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=10

[DT Guy]

I disagree... he was a wonderful designer. The New Model revolvers are wonderful pieces of machinery. His GP-100 type revolvers are magnificent, tough, well-constructed guns. The 10/22 is a tight, well-made design that is pretty much ubiquitous. Where I can't say that his rifles are the most accurate on the market, they are tremendously tough and reliable so long as you have a RUGER magazine. Sure, he sold out but he's also DEAD now and they should have let his politics die with him. Smith & Wesson finally came around (and doubled their prices). Frankly, I don't know why another company doesn't just make a GOOD quality aftermarket magazine based on their design? I've yet to see one. I can tweak the USA magazines and get them to work just fine, but it takes finesse.

I respectfully disagree:

Bill Ruger didn't design the single actions, he revised an existing design. True, he improved certain aspects of it, but it wasn't a 'from scratch' design. His rifles, from what I know of them, are Mauser variants. The GP-100 may be an extremely strong and durable revolver, but I don't see many competitors shooting them in IDPA or other sports that require a great trigger pull-mainly because the design isn't amenable to being tweaked into having an excellent DA trigger, as S&W's designs are.
Many of 'his' other designs were, as I understand it, helped along with input from Ruger staff designers and engineers.

J.M. Browning was a great gun designer: Mauser was a great gun designer. Col. Colt was a great gun designer; Bill Ruger was not.

AFA his politics, I see your point. But Ruger (the company) continues to support the politics of Ruger (the man.) That makes it a valid point of contention with the company today, IMHO.

Of course, to each his own, and I'm not throwing rocks at those who choose to support Ruger. I just feel like they should know who they're in bed with.


Larry

[First Person Shooter]

My 2 cents.....Ruger's revolvers are tough but S&W's are MUCH smoother. Thier auto's are bukly for their cartridges. The only one I've ever really liked is the 10/22. I find the mini to be VERY overrated, it heats up WAY to fast, my AK is more accurate, and parts are plentiful.

Honestly, I see Ruger now where Colt was in the 70's They decided not to build 1911's that the customers wanted, so everyone else now makes them instead. Buy a Marlin or an Anscutz or a Winchester or a Savage or a CZ...PLENTY of good gun companies out there that will happily take your dollar and not preach top you

[Derek Garland]

tough, well-constructed guns. The 10/22 is a tight, well-made design.

You mean the cheaply made .22 that the bolt hits a pin in the back of the rec. until it is worn out funky mag release clean from the muzzel or drill a hole in the rec. and drop whole mess from stock yea good design.....

[Derek Garland]

OH I forgot dont shoot CCI stingers in your 10/22 cant take the hot ammo I degress I do have a 10/22 but it is what it is.

[Heavy Barrel]

It never ceases to amaze me how people continually bash something they don't like be it guns,cars or whatever.If you don't like it don't buy it.Nobody holds a gun to your head to make you buy.Think what it would be like if you had only one choice,or none at all.Then everyone would be happy.RIGHT! :rolleyes:

We could have ended up with Kerry.


Never had any trouble with stingers in mine. :confused: