[twoblink]

From reading the Feinstein rat article..

Serious question, how many snipings have been recorded from a .50Caliber, war excluded?

The fact that it's being called a "sniping caliber" (whatever that means) upsets me.

If I was a SERIOUS sniper, a .22LR subsonic would be much higher on my choice list then a .50Caliber..

Oh, I forgot, most of the gangs on the street can afford a gun that's $3000 and $6 a round to fire...:rolleyes:

[ahadams]

this has nothing to do with snipings, guy this is another 'assault rifle' black gun thing. the antis think they can scare the soccer moms by selling them a pack of lies about "sniper rifles" and the "sniper subculture" and such. They've been working on this for over a year now. They're desperate for a 'victory' and grasping at straws.

[444]

I don't know of any snipings and you can be sure if there ever was one, we would hear about it on a daily basis. I have heard of a shooting with one; at the branch dividian boondogle near Waco Texas supposidly a guy was shot off the roof through a wall with a .50 rifle but this wasn't a sniping. From the film, the distance was more like five feet.

[Tamara]

I only recall reading about one crime committed with a .50 BMG... To hear Diaz & Brady & Feinstein, you'd think they were stacking 'em like cordwood with these things.

[Schuey2002]

It's just another Liberal gun grab.. The .50 cal. looks mean and scary, so it MUST be banned...

We must do this for the children, you know..:rolleyes:

[TexasVet]

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at the branch dividian boondogle near Waco Texas supposidly a guy was shot off the roof through a wall with a .50 rifle
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The guy shot off the roof at Waco was shot off by two of his brother ATFers after they had entered the window next to him and shot BACK at a Davidian. If the Davidians had used their 50s, those guys hiding behind the cars in the yard would have been toast.

[twoblink]

I had a guy tell me, "yeah, but .50BMG's will go into a tank and kill someone..."

Err... when was he in a tank?? I don't really know of many civilians who are worried about snipings while in a tank.. New Mall Ninja worries I'm not aware of??

But remember, a .50BMG can be used to rob a 7-11.... So says the talking heads.. I'm sorry, Tamara, can someone give me a ballpark figure on how heavy these things are??

Last time I checked, I couldn't hit a target a foot in front of me without at least a bipod... Let alone run into a Stop-n-Rob with one of these.. :cuss:

[Tamara]

They're pretty much all on the north side of forty pounds and tend to be fairly longish, too...

[mons meg]

I would say in the neghborhood of 120 pounds, not including the tripod. ;)

[Watchman]

I'm sorry, Tamara, can someone give me a ballpark figure on how heavy these things are??
Mine weighs 28 pounds, but its only a single shot bolt action. The lightest production gun is a Serbu single shot that weighs around 18 pounds.

Still quite a load to carry...these things arent very short.:scrutiny:

[twoblink]

But can't you just hear the talking heads saying, "These ASSAULT WEAPONS are perfect for the steet thug who wants to mug or rob someone."

From what I can remember, I was unable to carry one with my arms only, I had to have it tucked under my hips, two-handed. I actually couldn't carry and fire it at the same time, from what I can recall...

And in a bolt action... as the Sopranos say... Fogettabout it!

Feinstein has really got my fuse today...:fire: :cuss:

[Blackhawk]

We could do better than Feinstein and Boxer. :banghead:

[publius]

The .50 cal. looks mean and scary, so it MUST be banned...


We just aren't showing them in the right context...

http://www.websitesbytom.com/funimages/calbfg.jpg

http://www.websitesbytom.com/funimages/chrisbfghole.jpg

Sorry, Diane, but some of us really, really need golf ball sized holes in our broken appliances. What are we supposed to do??? ;)

[NewShooter78]

What gets me about all of this is the lack of support from our side that gets on the tv. And they talk about these guns like they are going to be the next big thing with gangs (Just like the .500 s&w). But these guns have been around for a good while the last time I checked. And where are the stories about this gun ACTUALLY bringing down a plane?

[gun-fucious]

most of them are only useful on a bench
watch this video of Andy:
http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/barrett_m95.mov
he is getting shoved pretty hard

[Nightfall]

This is almost a case of forgetting ‘innocent until proven guilty'. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the .50 BMG round has existed since 1924. If a round has existed for this long, and never been used to commit crimes in the US... how can it suddenly be a threat? ‘Innocent until proven guilty'.
If they are such a threat, than please. Prove it to us. We will give you a good .50 rifle, and place you outside the range of where airport security would notice you with one of these massive rifles (a long damn way away). We will give you whatever load that is legal to the American public that would be most effective in bringing down a plane. You can then destroy and disable a 747 taking off or landing. Hell, we'll give you 10 tries to do it. We'll even give you a semi rifle, seeing as how SOMEHOW I doubt you're going to be able to do much in the way of a quick follow up shot on an airplane going goodness knows how many MPH considering the effects of recoil, muzzle blast, etc. If they are such a threat to the US people, I'm sure you'll have no problem shooting down a 747 with one.
Gah, idiots. :rolleyes:

P.S. BTW, this is my first post here. I needed to find some forums where I could be around common sense people supporting the RKBA. Looks like I did. :)

[Kharn]

I believe a stolen/smuggled Ma Deuce was used in an armored car robbery in Canada a few years back. It went something like:
The perps used a vehicle with a rolling rear door (like a UPS truck), assembled the Ma Deuce pointing out the back door with sandbags and everything. They found a spot the armored car driver always sat and read a newspaper for a while every day (obscuring the front windshield), so they pulled the truck in front of the armored car, with the rear of the truck facing the car and opened the rear door to expose the M2. One guy knocked on the side window of the armored car and just pointed towards the truck. The driver lowered his newspaper to see the business end of the Ma Deuce; being a former serviceman, he knew what he was looking at and decided it was time to run. The Ma Deuce was later found (still in the truck, I believe), assembled incorrectly, it wouldnt have been able to fire.

Kharn

[kidcoltoutlaw]

1919 i think i can't find the info im looking for but it was before 1924.

[NewShooter78]

And since its in Canada, it is no concern to us. Assembled wrong no doubt! :neener:

[Leatherneck]

Nightfall, Welcome. Sounds like you've been hanging around with the wrong types, huh?

TC
TFL Survivor

[Nightfall]

Thanks, Leatherneck. Let's just say I don't have a lot of 'like minded' people around me. *sigh*

[twoblink]

I asked this not because I thought for real that a crime with a .50BMG is that easy to commit.. It would take weeks even months of planning to commit a crime with one of these things.

Where are you going to hide it, in the shirt pocket? I mean you would be giving IWB holsters a new definition!!

Welcome Nightfall. We welcome people with some common sense; we don't even need people that agree, but people who don't just fly off the handle and spout :cuss: that they don't know anything about.

Oh, but I forgot, Martin Sheen PLAYS a president on TV....:rolleyes:

All this talk about .50's has put it on my list of guns to buy!!

[Alan Smithiee]

I remember that one Kharn, except it was described as a "anti aircraft gun" in the artices I read (and wasn't that like 20 years ago?)

[Kharn]

Nanaimo Barr: Well, some M2s are used for anti-aircraft use...

Kharn

[Monkeyleg]

When we justify the "legality" of this gun or that gun based upon the fact that it's never been used in a crime, we leave ourselves wide open. We shouldn't have to justify the legality of any caliber or firearm.

Doing so defies the laws of probability.

For years, we've been able to say that no LEO was ever shot by a CCW permit holder. Well, last year in TX, some bubblehead destroyed that argument. It doesn't matter that the LEO was working off-duty, in civilian clothing, as a bar-bouncer, or that he just got shot in the hand. The fact is that a dumb permit holder shot a cop.

When we say that only .0018% of all homicides in NJ are committed with "assault weapons," we leave ourselves wide open. All it takes is one more fruitcake using a Bushmaster to double or even quintuple that percentage.

We don't argue emotions; they do. We try to present facts, and all it takes is for one numbskull to skew the facts, because such an infinitesimal minority of us ever do anything wrong.

The fact that John Lott had an "alter ego" who defended his arguments in online forums should be a non-starter. Belleisiles fabricated his "evidence." Who's going to get more press for his mistakes? Oy, don't ask.

We're constantly playing defense, trying to use ever-changing numbers to defend inalienable rights.

We need the emotions. Do we have them? Oh, yeah. Last spring, at senate hearings on CCW, we had gut-wrenching testimony from rape victims, stabbing victims, prison guards whose families were at risk...we've got the "if it bleeds, it leads" stuff.

Question is, how do we get it out there?

[DadOfThree]

I agree with Monkeyleg. If we argue that the .50 cal has never been used in a crime so it shouldn't be banned leaves us open to "You're right, but Glocks have been used many times so they should be banned. As well as almost all other hand guns."
BTW, as to the incident in Canada, it's a good thing for the robbers that they assembled to M2 incorrectly. I would hate to shoot one from inside of a box truck. OUCH :evil: :evil: