Anyone here shoot the 7.62 x 25 Tokarev pistol?


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February 27, 2003, 01:10 AM
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sixgun_symphony
February 27, 2003, 01:14 AM
Good gun!

Very snappy :)

Erich
February 27, 2003, 10:16 AM
Flawlessly reliable, due to the bottleneck cartridge. Light recoil, but "snappy" is correct. Noticeably louder than most pistols (a sharp crack that will draw onlookers at the range) because at upwards of 1400 fps, the 86 gr. pill is most definitely supersonic. The pistol is very thin (nice for carry, tho chamber-empty carry would be mandated by the goofy safety set up), and has grips that are easy to hold.

Triggers, fit and finish vary - best I've seen have been on the Polskas (which SOG has for $149.99 - I got one and have been very pleased). Our friends at Cruffler.com have a review up - it's well worth a look. (I'll let you google the links; I'm busy this a.m.)

RON in PA
February 27, 2003, 11:09 AM
Very reliable, decent sights, Polish Toks are the best and triggers vary dramatically from sample to sample. The best way to buy would be if you can sample from a large number and choose the one with best trigger, finish and bore.

Navy joe
February 27, 2003, 11:32 AM
CZ-52, yes. A real hoot to shoot. Can't wait to stuff it with some sub-caliber saboted rounds.

Felonious Monk
February 27, 2003, 11:42 AM
It's slow at the office this morning, so here you go:http://www.cruffler.com/review-March-01.html

...actually shows the recoil to be smoother than the CZ-52!

Might be worth a look.

Oleg Volk
February 27, 2003, 12:02 PM
Shot Russian version: mediorce sights, poor crip angle, poor accuracy (6" at 21ft) and heavy trigger. Thin and reliable though.

mashaffer
February 27, 2003, 12:48 PM
The pistol is very thin (nice for carry, tho chamber-empty carry would be mandated by the goofy safety set up), and has grips that are easy to hold.

So how does the CZ-52 compare? I understand that they are safe in condition 1 or condition 2 (assuming that the firingpin block has not been removed for better trigger). Are they much more difficult to conceal (bigger/fatter)?

Mike

JMLV
February 27, 2003, 03:25 PM
and its a real blast to shoot. Accurate too. the chinese ammo works very reliably and the gun hav never in apros 2500 rounds had a problem. Best $150 I ever spend(along with my Makorov)
buy one you won't reguret it. Someday I hope to optain one in 9mm as well.

George Hill
February 27, 2003, 04:41 PM
I'd go with the CZ-52. It's the better gun. Stronger action - and I think it's much smoother than any Tok... It's able to handle the hotter 7.62 loads... the ones that run 16-1800 FPS.
When your shooting those hotter loads... feels like your cracking of full house .357 Magnums!

And the gun is so slick and slim... makes for a great IWB carry gun. Seriously. It's one of my favorite guns.

Sean Smith
February 27, 2003, 05:02 PM
The CZ-52 isn't without its defects, but it is much cooler (and generally better IMHO) than the Tokarev.

http://www.makarov.com/cz52/index.html

Navy joe
February 27, 2003, 05:13 PM
CZ-52 for carry? Not quite suited. I'm going to customize mine more than trigger work and wood grips which is already done.

I feel to be carry suitable the gun needs.

#1 New commercial HP load offerings, I'm sure there are a few.

#2 New firing pin that won't break.

#3. Real sights.

#4 A real slide release. I am just going to modify my lever. As is the only way to unlock the slide is by racking it and occasionally on mine the release will get stuck and you have to pull the slide back and pry down on the release to free it.

#5 A real mag release. I've got it in my head that I can adapt a 1911 style release to work and modify the mags accordingly.

From what I've seen of mine I would probably carry chambered, just follow the hammer with my thumb also while decocking.

In lieu of commercial HP a 40gr Blitzking shoved in a sabot would suffice. Ought to be able to jack it out at 2000+

mashaffer
February 27, 2003, 09:03 PM
George Hill says...
And the gun is so slick and slim... makes for a great IWB carry gun. Seriously. It's one of my favorite guns.

George, I am curious. In what condition do you carry it. I'd be tempted to use condition 2.

Navy Joe says...
#2 New firing pin that won't break.

Makarov.com has these in both original configuration (firing pin block operative) and target.

Dr.Rob
February 27, 2003, 09:15 PM
CZ 52 as a carry gun???? George are you smoking whacky weed? That's a pretty big belt gun, even by our standards.

The biggest thing I dislike about The TOK and the CZ is the wierd almost verical grip angle.. which produces the "snappiness" in recoil. They are LOUD compared to other pistols and no doubt you'll know exactly when it goes off. Some of them throw big fireballs too (but that depends on ammunition of course).

First time I saw a guy shoot a CZ 52 he had NEVER cleaned it. Brought it to the range, unwrapped it, shoved 5 rounds in the comsoline-sticky magazine, racked at started shooting. To the gun's credit, it didn't jam, or explode and I don't recommend you try this at home. (He had splattered the target with melted cosmoline). I pointed this fact out to him, but he didn't seem like he was in the mood to listen. By the time I had left the range he still had all his fingers.:scrutiny:

I'd go with the Polish T-33 and shoot some modern ammo in it, after all it would suck to get a gorgeous deep blue gun and shoot corrosive ammo through it.

Ewok_Guy
February 27, 2003, 09:43 PM
George, I am curious. In what condition do you carry it. I'd be tempted to use condition 2.
I go condition 1 with my '52. The hammer is too awkward to cock with one hand on the gun.

Glockorama
February 27, 2003, 11:47 PM
Own a 52 and a Tok. Love 'em both, but prefer the Tok.

Freightman
February 28, 2003, 12:11 AM
I have a CZ52 but do not carry it I shot a 8" cottonwood with some of the FMJ Hungarian ammo went through like hot butter.
I load 90g Hornady JHP you should see the expansion of a bullet going 1600+FPS WOW.

sixgun_symphony
February 28, 2003, 12:54 AM
What are some good handloads?

MarineTech
February 28, 2003, 01:30 AM
I've got 2 CZ-52s that I use as casual shooters. Both are good general purpose shooters, but I wouldn't keep it as a carry gun.

Jackanape
February 28, 2003, 02:03 AM
I'm the proud owner of a CZ-52. Neat pistol to be sure. The only pistol I own that gets a lot of copper fouling (don't know why). Shoots well, with a snappy little recoil. Loud too... But as I live in California, carrying it around is out of the question. I'm real eager to try out .223 Timbs rounds in it... The CZ-52 is one of the better values I've found in the surplus market.

JMLV
February 28, 2003, 10:08 AM
about customizing a CZ52 pistol, New firing pin. new grips, better sights and I think a better safty lever. Intresting article and gun its on my "to buy" list.:D

Freightman
February 28, 2003, 10:24 AM
You will find a list of reload data at:
http://www.makarovpistol.com

RON in PA
February 28, 2003, 11:45 AM
I realize that there are a lot of CZ52 fans out there, but I believe the Tok is a better pistol. In my experience the CZ52 suffers from trigger slap and a tendency to have trigger pins move out of the frame. Then there is the problems of accidental discharge when decocking the hammer on some guns and fragile firing pins. Also the myth of Cz52 strength: one of our posters (Clark?) has demonstrated to my satisfaction that the Tok is actually stronger.

As for as a carry gun, I would suggest that neither is ideal, both are full size military guns ( the Tok has a size advantage) and both probably should be carried in condition 3.

I own both and when I shoot either it's usually the Tok because to me it's more comfortable.

mashaffer
February 28, 2003, 12:31 PM
TOO LATE. I HAVE A TESTER LINED UP. THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST!!!

I am looking for someone who would like some Jacketed flat point bullets to try in CZ-52 and/or Tok. I will send some free to the first one to email me at mashaffer@maplenet.net requesting them.

Here is the catch... I have been making and selling bonded core rifle bullets in .308, .311 and .313. I test them using a Polish M44. I was thinking of expanding (no pun intended) the product line to include handgun bullets for 7.62x25 and M-1 Carbine but I don't have a pistol to do the testing. My concern is that the jackets that I am using are too thick for proper expansion at handgun velocities but these rounds run pretty fast so I would like to determine whether these jackets will work or whether I need to get some thinner ones. In exchange for the bullets you have to promise that you will fire them into water soaked newspapers and report back to me with information on [list=1]
Penetration
Expansion
Weight Retention
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I would also appreciate either some digital photos of the recovered bullets or a couple of the spent bullets mailed to me.

Any takers?

George Hill
February 28, 2003, 11:02 PM
To answer some questions...
1. I carried it with an empty chamber, with a loaded mag.
2. No, it wasn't awkard to carry... or too big. My other IWB guns that are larger than a CZ-52: 1911, P220, HK USP .40 full sized, P228, Beretta 92FS (currently), HK VP-70, HK P9. HK P7 M13... and various other guns. The 52 was one of the easier ones to carry. The gun is thin and smooth... Rides easy.
3. No, don't pack it around with FMJ loads... That would be bad..
Well unless your on a road trip and might have to shoot through a windshield or car door or something armored....
:evil:

telewinz
March 1, 2003, 09:28 PM
Just wish there was some cheap surplus ammo available. Don't even try to shoot lead reloads in it, At 50 feet I couldn't hit a 9" paper plate. I think the bullet (93gr) just vaporized or warped into the 4th dimension:)

mashaffer
March 1, 2003, 09:48 PM
Accurate arms also has load data in their freebie manual. They claim it is only for CZ-52 but it would give you an idea. And of course some say (convincingly) that the Tok. is actually stronger.

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