Pistol-Packin' Pilots To Fly In Spring


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2dogs
February 27, 2003, 06:57 AM
Which .40 will they carry?




http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/attack/main520859.shtml

Pistol-Packin' Pilots To Fly In Spring

WASHINGTON, Feb. 26, 2003



(AP) Four dozen commercial airline pilots selected for a test program are expected to fly passenger planes while wearing a gun beginning this spring.

But the 48 will have to carry their .40-caliber semiautomatic pistols in locked cases inside nondescript bags while walking through the airport. The guns have to be put back in the case if a pilot leaves the cockpit in flight.

The Transportation Security Administration announced on Tuesday that its final plan for arming pilots would limit to the cockpit their authority to carry a gun in a holster.

Pilots don't want to carry a weapon in a locked case, saying it's more likely to fall into the wrong hands if it has to be transferred back and forth.

"We propose that we carry the weapon concealed personally on our body because that is the safest, most secure way for us to transfer the weapon," said Al Aitken, spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association.

TSA spokesman Robert Johnson said the law says pilots can carry guns for only one purpose: to defend the cockpit during flight.

"We don't want that weapon floating around inside the cabin," Johnson said.

The TSA plan mirrors the recent recommendations by a task force comprised of agency employees who met with pilots, airlines and aircraft manufacturers.

Pilots will be required to undergo psychological and background checks before being selected for a five-day training program that will include lessons on marksmanship, defensive tactics and legal policies, Johnson said. After finishing training, pilots would be issued .40-caliber, semiautomatic pistols.

Some pilots object to the psychological testing they'd have to undergo if they volunteered for the program. Others say it will make the program better by weeding out people who might have a hard time killing someone.

Congress, which overwhelmingly approved arming pilots, didn't give the TSA any money to train pilots or pay for guns. The agency cobbled together $500,000 from various accounts for a test program that can only accommodate the 48 pilots.

Johnson said the agency asked pilots' groups for nominations and expects to have them in the next week or two. The TSA will select the class, and those who complete the training will be sworn in as federal flight deck officers.

The agency has asked for $20 million to run a broader program.

Only pilots who volunteer will carry weapons. It's unclear how many of the nation's 100,000 commercial passenger pilots will choose to participate, with estimates varying from a handful to 30,000.

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Airwolf
February 27, 2003, 07:04 AM
"We don't want that weapon floating around inside the cabin,"

Idiot! WTH does he think? That the gun will sprout wings and fly off like an errant parakeet? Or is flight crew going to lose the weapon while doing zero-G parabolic arcs?

Mineta and his :cuss: anti-gun BS needs to go!

This is nothing more than more bureaucratic obfuscation of a straightforward program. They are doing whatever they can to kill it.

2dogs
February 27, 2003, 08:02 AM
That the gun will sprout wings and fly off like an errant parakeet?

Well, yeah, I mean that happens- right?:rolleyes:;)

Airwolf
February 27, 2003, 08:30 AM
Well, *everyone* KNOWS that guns "just go off by themselves". I guess the ones "approved" for crews will "go off" in a new and unexpected way, by sprouting wings and "floating around the cabin".

The next thing we'll hear is the VPC claiming that "floating weapons in aircraft cabins pose a threat to innocent children." Mark my words. </sarcasm>

Why are things that are so simple made so bloody complicated by idiots in positions of power? </rhetorical question>

geekWithA.45
February 27, 2003, 08:34 AM
It burns me up that it takes this long for something so common sense to get it's act together.

Months of anguished, hand wringing debate, as if that where necessary, and in the meantime, a handful of prosecutions against pilots who elected to act on their own initiative.

It's really freaking simple.

-Let the pilots who are interested buy or use a pistol with which they are comfortable. If I don't trust you with an arbitrary handgun in my presence, I sure as hell don't trust you to fly me anywhere.

-Reimburse them.
-Train them, if they aren't allready.
-Test them, to make sure they can reliably hit something 5 feet away, from a seated/twisted around position (because most cockpits just aren't that big)
-Carry on with the biz of the world.

2dogs
February 27, 2003, 09:01 AM
It burns me up that it takes this long for something so common sense to get it's act together.

See, this is why you are not in charge- you fail to see the need to make the simplest of tasks mind numbingly complicated.:rolleyes: :D :neener:

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