Question for any truckers who CCW


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Taurus 617 CCW
November 10, 2004, 12:43 PM
I have a cousin who drives for a Southern Califoria trucking company. He does long hauls everywhere in the western half of the U.S. He asked me yesterday what type of firearm could he have in the truck that wouldn't cause too much grief at the weigh stations or at traffic stops. I told him a lever-action rifle or a 12 ga shotgun. Handguns, especially in the state of CA are asking for trouble in a vehicle. Any suggestions from you guys who do long hauls between states? I understand that all the states have different laws concerning "peacable journey," but there has to be a firearm which satisfies all the regulations. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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duckslayer
November 10, 2004, 12:46 PM
I am not a trucker, but I thought that it was against federal DOT laws for CDL drivers to carry a firearm with them.

EOD Guy
November 10, 2004, 12:54 PM
I am not a trucker, but I thought that it was against federal DOT laws for CDL drivers to carry a firearm with them.


Not true. DOT has stated that it is up to the various states. Drivers with firearms may not be able to deliver to Federal facilities while in possession of firearms.

duckslayer
November 10, 2004, 02:04 PM
Oh, well then the rule is much better than I had imagined.

Country Boy
November 10, 2004, 02:35 PM
Somewhat related thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=99592

benEzra
November 10, 2004, 06:07 PM
Be sure and point him to www.packing.org. He can look at all the laws of the states he frequents there.

MarkDido
November 10, 2004, 06:19 PM
Most, if not all trucking companies have restrictions on firearms.

When I shut down for the night, I secured my doors by stretching a heavy duty rubber bungee cord between the doors and kept my tire thumper close at hand!

nationwide
November 10, 2004, 09:33 PM
I'm a long haul trucker, have been for 7 years.

I'm also a former LEO, and have a CHL good in many states, so I am pretty up to date and understanding of travel laws with firearms.

Short answer: Don't carry a weapon in your truck.

The industry as a whole looks at firearms in the cab as a serious offence, and you will usually get fired on the spot or your contract terminated immediately if your supervisors catch wind of this. We are routinely sent into the worst neighborhoods in the country, at all hours of the night. This is considered an "Non-Issue" by the companies. Driver safety, to them, means not hitting stuff with the truck.

Not so short answer: Follow these simple steps.

1) Life membership in the NRA. They will be the only one who gives a ratt's bottom when you get busted.

2) Pistols are a no-no, as many places outright ban them (Chicago, D.C.) and more places have bans on standard-capacity mags (over 10 rounds).

3) Hollow point ammo is a no-no. Again banned in some places, NJ comes to mind.

4) Leave the AR and SKS at home, these estabolish intent at 03:00 at a weigh station. Yeah, in Court it means nothing, but we want to stay out of the cuffs, much less court.

That really leaves 2 viable options. A shotgun or a revolver.

I might consider a shotgun, as it is not generally concealable, and when presented to a BG, really has a good psycological effect on them.

MILITARY BASES- Most of the bases I've been on give you an opportunity to declare any weapons you have and you can "check" them at the gate, pick them up when you leave.

PRIVATE PROPERTY- Nearly EVERY place I go nowadays has signs posted "No Firearms" "Dangerous Weapons Prohibited". In most cases these signs are legal and binding re: tresspassing laws. Also, many of these places have the "specific wording" signs like Texas' 30.06 sign prohibiting CCW on premesis.

Lastly, many of us go into Canada. Don't even want to think about the problems that's gonna cause.

Bottom line: I wouldn't carry a gun in the truck. That's not saying I haven't. That's not saying there aren't times when I wish I had.

But sooner or later, your boss is gonna find out one way or the other, and your job is toast (not to mention, you'll never drive for a reputable company again... DAC report? ANYONE??).

However, if you feel your need to self defense is that great, go ahead and carry. Also, I'd reccomend a different line of work. No one forces us to be out here. It's not like being secure in your home, or even in your town. It sucks, I know, but what ya gonna do?

SMLE
November 10, 2004, 10:07 PM
When I drove, my area of operations was NM, Tx. Co. and Az. I made the decision to carry and be responsible for my own safety and f*** the rules. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I knew I was not breaking any laws, and the company couldn't put me in jail. Your friend will have to make his own choice based on the costs vs. benefits to him.

The sad fact is that due to the rampant hoplophobia of American business compounded by the law suit crazy climate, most companies force you to give up your fundamental human rights as the price of employment.

I can't express my feelings on this without resorting to language that would light Art's Grandma's hair on fire, so just multiply the following smilies by about 1,000,000.

:fire: :barf: :banghead: :cuss:

Sunray
November 10, 2004, 11:33 PM
"...Don't even want to think about the problems..." One of the first things our Customs types ask is, "Do you have any firearms?" Even of Canadian drivers running back and forth with garbage and car parts.(I'm in Ontario) If you say yes, you will be detained and arrested. If you get caught after saying no, you can become a guest of the Crown for 10 years, be awarded a hefty fine and/or be handed over to the U.S. side for their kick at you.
Going the other way, your Customs guys seem more concerned with what's in my lunch than if I have any firearms. No beef whatsoever. Not even in a driver's lunch pail. Maybe the next time I go across I'll ask the Customs type if they've had a flu shot. No shortage up here.

Taurus 617 CCW
November 11, 2004, 02:30 AM
thanks guys, all the information is really going to help him out. He works for a small private trucking company, so there's a chance it would be allowed. He doesn't go into Canada but he does live in California, so things could get a bit tricky.

olyAR73
November 11, 2004, 02:34 AM
Something discreet. :cool:

MICHAEL T
November 12, 2004, 01:16 AM
I carried a large folder and kept a Cold Steel Trailmaster Bowie in the cab Never a problem in 15 years of running all 48 and Canada now and then. Keep you truck in good shape and don't look like trailer park trash and you won't have problems.

SMLE
November 12, 2004, 01:22 AM
I have been told that if you have a lanyard on your tire thumper, it will be considered a weapon, but without a lanyard it is still just a "tire" thumper. :scrutiny:

TallPine
November 12, 2004, 11:14 AM
If the federal govt really gave a flip about "homeland security", truck drivers would be REQUIRED to armed.


One of these days, a truck is going to be hijacked, filled with explosives (probably from another hijacked truck), and detonated right downtown or in the middle of a major bridge.

Sunray
November 12, 2004, 11:20 AM
"...a lanyard on your tire thumper..." Hi. Never heard of that. Not that it'd surprise me. Those toy blow guns you see in the back of comic books etc, are illegal up here. So are morning stars, nunchuks and throwing stars. Too many medieval, pygmy, ninja's holding up variety stores.
Most guys up here use whatever is handy. Hammers or a stick. Like a fish billy. Mind you, there are lots of drivers who fail to do a walk around at all. Saw a guy on Highway 401, the busiest highway anywhere, one time pulling a trailer that had one tire completely off the rim. Still around the rim, but with no air at all. Scary.

nationwide
November 12, 2004, 11:37 AM
I've had Canada Customs agents tell me to make sure I put my tire thumper in the side box because it could be considered a dangerous weapon depending where about Ontario or Quebec I went.

But overall, I must say, that for a long time, I preferred going to Canada because things seem to be much more relaxed up there, and I've never felt a threat to my safety. Not like here in the Good Old USA.

But, the hamburgers taste funny, and what's with the bright green coleslaw?!?!?! :D

carpettbaggerr
November 12, 2004, 12:44 PM
If you've got a sleeper-cab, I'd say a case could be made that it's your domicile. That would give you a much wider latitude for legal posession, much the same as a mobile home.

Even without that, FOPA '86 will protect you, if the gun is unloaded and in a locked case. For states where I couldn't CCW legally, I'd keep an autoloader in a case with the slide locked back. With a loaded magazine nearby, you can have it ready for use very quickly. ;)

artherd
November 12, 2004, 04:02 PM
Get the 16" M1a Socom (and possibly a wooden stock.) Keep loaded mag nearby but not in the gun. Legal to have this configuration in plain sight on your passanger seat (or slung on shoulder) while driving in CA.

If you have a sleeper, you can make the case that this is your 'temporary residence, including a campsite' in which case in CA you may carry a loaded rifle or handgun concealed or openly as you please for your protection.

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