Has your Gun shop ever Screwed you over


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TheDutchman
November 10, 2004, 04:04 PM
I am thinking about cutting ties with my Gun shop I frequent. I will not name the Shop but has anybody else had to do this and how

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wasrjoe
November 10, 2004, 04:12 PM
I hate both the gunshops near me. One is just a crappy store - everything is priced WAY too freaking high. I saw the guy charge some poor bastard $75 for replacing a Lorcin's firing pin. Guy also constantly badmouths his customers after they leave. Seems like a generall a-hole.

The other one wasn't so bad, but I got gouged twice. I know, no one forces me to pay what they ask, but it still makes me not want to go back. Their prices are a little better, but still overpriced IMO. I was friends with one of the employees, even. The thing that really irritated me was that they never contacted their gunsmith regarding questions I had (this happened a good 5 times) and the gunshop owner never treated me like I was a customer. He often ignored me.

I am a poor college student, but at one point I was buying 100 dollars in ammo a month. Treat me like I'm there.

I don't go to either one anymore. I buy ammo at gunshows (the cheapest way where I live, actually) and haven't had the money to buy a gun in awhile.

kfranz
November 10, 2004, 04:27 PM
I am thinking about cutting ties with my Gun shop I frequent. I will not name the Shop but has anybody else had to do this and how

I guess I don't understand the question. Unless you have some sort of deal pending, you simply stop frequenting the place....

eyz
November 10, 2004, 04:31 PM
Yes by most and depends on what. Sometimes I'll quit going to a shop for a extended period of time or if it's an employee I won't deal with that employee. Sometimes it's just an old guy owner who can't remember what he has or what the prices are so he makes it up as he goes. One shop that's going under does exactly that. One day a gun might be $600 the next day $300, then back to $500, and my wife will get a different price. We used to try and catch him on good days. He's lost his ffl recently, not to good with the books I guess. If a shop is the only one that has it I may allow myself to get screwed occasionally.

spacemanspiff
November 10, 2004, 04:35 PM
its a business. take your money to a place where your business is appreciated.

its too bad the average gunshop is only out to make money instead of helping out the gun community. so what you as the consumer have to do is find a place that treats you right, and makes you comfortable.

dakotasin
November 10, 2004, 04:36 PM
yes, a gunshop has screwed me... and i thought i was friends w/ the guy (one man shop)...

i had my suspicions about being charged entirely too much there for awhile, but i wasn't that sure, and i figured i didn't mind paying a little extra to support the local guys.

my first suspicion came when i asked him to order a scope for me... he told me how much it would be, and i paid him upfront (stupid me - hindsight, and all that). well, the scope shows up later, and he called me and told me to bring my gun in and he'd mount it for free... well, i did that, and he produces my gun w/ 'my' new leupold on it... however, the leupold that was on my gun was not the one i ordered - it was less expensive scope. somehow i let him talk me into keeping it, and i never did get refunded...

next came when he charged me a completely unreasonable amount of money for some bino's... i trusted him, so i didn't shop around... again, hindsight...

the last time came when i brought him a brand new win m70 in 338 to do a little work on that i didn't have the time to work on at the moment... wanted the barrel floated, trigger adjusted, recoil pad ground and fit, and to fix some rings (was trying out the burris insert rings, and they wouldn't clamp evenly fore and aft, and they looked bad, so i asked him to fix 'em - said he could). anyway, he charged me for all the work, including fixing the rings, yet the only thing he did was the recoil pad. the trigger hadn't been fixed, the barrel, while floating, wasn't sealed back up... to make matters worse, he more than doubled his 'usual fees', citing the cost of his overhead had gone up.

anyway, i cut all ties w/ him. i think it hurt him when i left because this was at a time when i was buying 1-2 guns per month, plus buying factory ammo, and all my accessories (spotting scope, more binos, slings, bipods, scope covers, cases, etc etc etc)...

i am still not happy w/ the whole deal. mad at myself for not being a better consumer, mad at him for blatantly ripping me off... on the positive side, the experience got me much better informed... i do all my own smithing now, i reload all my ammo now, and since i feel no loyalty to any co. or shop, i price shop everything, and get it from the least expensive source. maybe it does hurt the little guy a little that all my purchases are now mail order/internet, but i don't care. if that's how the little guy wants to treat me, i'll spend my money elsewhere. let the little guys close up shop.

TheDutchman
November 10, 2004, 04:37 PM
No deals pending anymore , and not to bad mouth this shop but a I placed a order for equipment 3 months ago he took my money. After about a month I ask about my order and said he ordered it, months passed and no product. So I called the maker directly and they have not received a order from then in almost a year. I had something I wanted to sale on the internet and ask them to place it on a auction site, for 3 week he was telling me it up for bids it was not.

WEPS
November 10, 2004, 06:44 PM
I have always frequented the same store, i go there so often that everytime i walk in the owner ask me if i have punched my time card. I still visit other stores in town but i can't bring myself to purchase anything, i just don't like feeling guilty. SO CAL Gun has always been nothing but helpfull to me and their prices are very good not to mention their selection and overall feeling of the store.

SO CAL gun has saved me from making bad purchases before and i noticed they only cary reliable firearms, no Bryco, Hi point ect.

I remember walking into one gun store where the owner didn't know the difference between blow-back and recoil operation. :scrutiny:

Standing Wolf
November 10, 2004, 06:52 PM
I got ripped off for $105 for a so-called "trigger job" on a Python and a wrecked front sight by the Gun Vault in Colorado Springs. I haven't been back. I'll never go back. I've helped steer a few people away from it.

I hate liars and thieves.

0luke1
November 10, 2004, 07:16 PM
It depends on what your sport is. I like high power, so I shop online. My favorite shops are Creedmore, Champions, OK Weber and Fulton Armory. I've been treated very fairly by all four of those businesses.

It's tough to get overcharged these days since you can shop very well online.

BTW, if you're in NJ, I recommend Caso's Gun-A-Rama (yes, that's the name). Frank Caso is a nice guy and very gentle on his fees - and the shop has 3% sales tax (instead of 6%) because it's in Jersey City.

The worst experience I've had was dealing with a big name highpower gunsmith. Ordered an upper that was extremely expensive, waited 8 months longer than he said it would take and it didn't feed. He blamed it on my Colt lower. I guess the other three uppers I've had on that lower didn't get that memo. I replaced it with a Fulton upper - ordered on Tuesday, received by Friday, works flawlessly.

bountyhunter
November 10, 2004, 07:21 PM
I am thinking about cutting ties with my Gun shop I frequent. I will not name the Shop but has anybody else had to do this and how
The one at the range I used to have to use was run by a bunch of thieves. I asked them to quote me a price on an STI Trojan and they quoted top retail list price (right off STI's website) and they threw an extra 15% on top of that for their "trouble"!

They finally went out of business and were always pissing and whining that nobody supported them by buying ammo or guns.

Gee..... I wonder why.

bountyhunter
November 10, 2004, 07:22 PM
It's tough to get overcharged these days since you can shop very well online.

Don't underestimate the power of greed. There are still plenty of shops happy to shear the sheep. Try Kerley's in Cupertino (Kali), and be sure to bring kleenex: the prices are so high they'll give you a nosebleed.

striker3
November 10, 2004, 07:44 PM
Yes I have. I just flat stopped going there.

sharpie613
November 10, 2004, 07:48 PM
All the big shops in the Bay Area are just dying to charge you 15% more than they should. Trader's is the worst, I've never been to Kerley's though. Reed's is expensive and won't sell a "certain" kind of gun or accessory, AKA, anything that looks "evil". Any FFL's in the Bay Area want my business?

R.H. Lee
November 10, 2004, 07:52 PM
I don't think it qualifies as 'screwed over', but I recently went into my local gun shop to purchase a Smith 642. It was priced at $425, and I told the owner's wife I could get it for $369 at another shop. She agreed to the price so we had a deal. I didn't have my California handgun card (whatever it's called) with me at the time, but it had been issued through her shop a few months before. She was too lazy to look up the number, so I left and went to the other shop to buy the 642. The owner there said he just got a call from the first shop (not identifying herself, but the caller id tipped him)wanting a price on the 642. She was checking up on whether I told her the truth or not. Kind of ticked me off.

Gunsnrovers
November 10, 2004, 08:24 PM
Discount Gun Mart on Morena in San Diego screwed me just before the AWB went into effect. I put $500 down on a M1A that was going to cost me $1049. The AWB went into effect while I waited for a distributor to fill the order. I get a phone call from the shop that because of the AWB, the new price for my M1A was not $1700 and I would be charged a 10% restocking fee if I canceled my order.

I went into the shop, raised holy hell publicly and generally made an it very obvious to the many customers in the shop what I thought of their business practices. I was given my full $500 back and I never shopped there again.

Sold the 20 GI magazines I had for an obscene amount of money and I spent my M1A money on a built M1 Garand and lots of 30-06 instead.

bountyhunter
November 10, 2004, 08:54 PM
All the big shops in the Bay Area are just dying to charge you 15% more than they should. Trader's is the worst, I've never been to Kerley's though. Reed's is expensive and won't sell a "certain" kind of gun or accessory, AKA, anything that looks "evil". Any FFL's in the Bay Area want my business?
Bob Blank in Milpitas is a private FFL with decent prices.

jefnvk
November 10, 2004, 10:54 PM
The ones I frequent (at least back home) were all good. The one I go to up here is a bit higher, but nowhere near as bad as some of you said. Actually, come to think of it, they are pretty good on ammo. Never mind, all mine are good.

schizrade
November 10, 2004, 11:58 PM
All the big shops in the Bay Area are just dying to charge you 15% more than they should. Trader's is the worst, I've never been to Kerley's though. Reed's is expensive and won't sell a "certain" kind of gun or accessory, AKA, anything that looks "evil". Any FFL's in the Bay Area want my business?

Well I have been very pleased dealing with Traders, who seems to have consistantly good prices in the BA, but Reeds is aweful. Buch of pretentious jerks.

E36M3
November 11, 2004, 12:25 AM
To make a long story short:
A smith that used to be a moderator on one of the forums said that he could straighten out the barrel on my SP101 - it was slightly crooked. After way more time than he originally stated a trashed gun returned with a different serial number. I immediately sent it back after a brief discussion on the phone. He said that he ruined mine trying to fix it and it was "gone". I had already paid for the repairs.
I didn't hear from him for awhile and then finally heard that he had a heart attack. I just wanted my gun back and I didn't care what condition. After almost completely losing it and threatening the highest levels of legal action the gun returned in a bag of about 50 pieces. He and his family was highly disturbing.
Ruger didn't have to, but they really sympathized with me and replaced the gun brand new with one that shoots perfectly at no charge to include no charge shipping.

olyAR73
November 11, 2004, 02:12 AM
Good honest dealers are like good honest mechanics; rare and hard to find....luckily AFFES here in Alaska deals in handguns and long guns. Their policy is pretty much 10% over cost. Ive seen guns anywhere from 30 to 500 dollars cheaper than the gun store right outside the gate.

Ive seen completely bizzare prices at some of the "local" shops. Like $275.00 for a Yugo SKS. When I let the dealer know it was being sold on base for just over a hundred bucks he got insulted and acted like I was lying.

I can understand trying to make a living but I really dont have much use for rip-off artists.

Fastlane
November 11, 2004, 10:25 AM
The two gun stores that I buy from have knowledgeable employees and they are pleasent to work with. But you pay a premium on any purchase, a new Glock 34 with two 10 rd mag. will cost over $720 out the door. I give them as much business as I can but I can't afford to do a lot of business with them.

standingbear
November 11, 2004, 12:12 PM
yes..had bought a nice gun after swapping the same guy for a collector rifle.went back the following day to sign the papers yadda yadda and the next day..it didnt look like the same gun at all..this one had a trashed bore but was in the same condition othewrwise.complained that the bore was trashed and I wanted another one.he wouldnt help me but offered to downplay the bad bore as an unexpected consquence of these coming in now(a 650 dollar gun?).so I checked around to see if anyone would rebarrel it.I then complained to the importer and got nowhere also...so,I took it to the next show and a guy was interested,I mentioned the bore was bad and he agreed. he said he could rebarrel it but coiuld only offer me 300 for it on trade for the other one.I took a loss and paid him the difference and went home with a garand surprisingly missing a f.pin and had a bent op rod and a crack that I didnt notice..in the stock.

people will try and unload junk on you,this I have seen alot.

Ironman
November 11, 2004, 12:12 PM
OMG :eek: 720 for a glock? I love glocks but I guess here in florida they are just cheaper. I just paid 720OTD for a brand new USP compact 45.....

Take Aim Guns here in Tarpon Springs FL is a nice big shop, a little large on the prices, but that gets counter acted cause they treat everyone that comes in there with respect no matter of age. Really nice and knowledgable staff. A+

rust collector
November 11, 2004, 12:18 PM
With the exception of Wildalaska, Tamara and other members, any images you have of kindly, benevolent gunshop owners who are there to supply you with whatever your heart desires at rock bottom prices may need adjustment. It's a business, and staying in business is increasingly difficult and expensive. There's not a Chevy dealer every few blocks, either.

I expect my local gunshop guys to have opinions, and I value their experience. They also come up with deals occasionally or an uncommon gun that grabs my attention, and I buy it. I also go there for cleaning supplies and equipment that is a cut above the smattering you find at one of the marts. But it's like going to an auction, it's a matter of what it's worth to me versus what it's worth to them. If I don't do my homework and check the market before buying, I sure can't complain that I've been had. And if I think I'm gonna come out ahead on a gun trade with a dealer, I'm dreaming. Nevertheless, if I can turn 2 or 3 guns I don't use into 1 that I will, I'm doing OK and Cody can give em a good home and make a few bucks. It's a beautiful thing, but we both know he's in it for the money.

Fraud and deception are criminal offenses and should be prosecuted. Feigned ignorance, poker faces and letting us fall prey to our own phantasies have long been part of the guntrader's arsenal. And that's what makes it interesting.

Old Dog
November 11, 2004, 12:50 PM
Fraud and deception are criminal offenses and should be prosecuted.

Yes, and I think that is what many of us have experienced. Some of my experiences:

"Oh, no, this pistol comes with only one magazine." (This was where I had to go home, dredge up a recent gun rag article -- and even manufacturer's ads --noting the pistol is sold with TWO magazines.

"Oh, no, I have to sell you this one, it's store policy." (When I politely request that I want to buy a new pistol in the box, NOT the one that's sat in the display case for six months, shows substantial wear on the barrel, has had the slide slammed home on an empty chamber AND been dry-fired hundreds of times by moronic customers and stupid, bored gunshop employees).

The old bait-and-swap. Closing the deal on a new model Springfield Armory Mil-Spec (3-dot sights, wood grips, etc.), the gunshop clerk brings out an older model SA GI model (tiny issue sights, plastic grips, etc.) in a cardboard box ... "Sorry," I say, "THAT's the gun I want," pointing to the display model under the counter ... "Not this one you've had hanging around since 1992." "Oh, no, it's the same gun," the clerk says ... This actually happened to me in a certain San Diego gunshop a previous poster says is the best shop in that city ...

The "Don't call us; we'll call you." Gunshops and gunsmiths who dodge your calls or make excuses why the work isn't completed yet or your order isn't in already ... for weeks on end ... They won't call YOU to let you know why it's taking so long, and you have to hire private detectives just to get these jokers on the phone so you can hear the excuses ...

"I've been busy and haven't gotten around to it yet" ... from the gunsmith in another SoCal store, who took TWO WEEKS just to replace some sights in a 1911 ... (after initially promising a reasonable one-day turnaround ... should'a done it myself, just didn't have a staking tool then).

Being quoted one price for a desired firearm over the phone; driving 60 miles to the gunshop with $1000 in the wallet -- and then having the clerk in the store say, "I don't know who told you that, this is what we're selling it for" -- $150 more than the price I was quoted over the phone ...

The "Ignore him -- he doesn't look like he's gonna buy a gun today" syndrome. This is when one peruses the offerings under the counter for twenty minutes, with no offers of help from the three clerks behind the other counter who can't be interrupted during the intense discussion about their escapades at the tavern the previous night ...

So, not to keep ragging on gunshops -- up here in Washington state, I've had pretty much nothing but positive experiences and friendly customer service ... can't always say the same for my California experiences ...

The big thing is, friendly and efficient customer service -- at least for me -- can overcome high prices. I'll always pay the higher price for a gun if the shop consistently treats me (and other customers when I'm there) with respect, when the staff is knowledgeable, friendly and will occasionally go the extra mile to take care of customers ...

overcast_days
November 11, 2004, 01:11 PM
These posts remind me about the time I decided to sell my 3 month old, only fired 12 shots, case kept BLR .22 . I took it to 1 of the 2 local gun shops. I walked in flagged down one of the owners and proceeded to inquire about selling to rifle to the shop. She opened the case and within a quick glance, not even bothering to do a inspection or look at her books, offered me $80 . :what: Who would be stupid enough to sell a almost new Browning for $80 ?

Needless to say I didn't sel it to the shop. I also haven't bought so much as a paper target from them either.

Kermit911
November 11, 2004, 01:18 PM
Bobs Little Sports Shop in Glassboro NJ is VERY good. I got my Desert Eagle .50 Cal from there for only $1,000.00 and he threw in an extra clip.

Dave R
November 11, 2004, 01:25 PM
I've had two issues with the shop I like (Shapel's in Boise.)

First time, I bought a well-used Colt Mustang. Either it wouldn't shoot well, or I couldn't shoot it well. They have a 30-day return policy on used guns so I traded it in on a new FEG PPK close that I have been happy with.

2nd time, I bought a CETME that had the well-known 'not enough windage' problem. The problem was really with Century's build, but the store fixed it for me by fabricating a new front sight. Works well.

So they took care of me both times.

Sean85746
November 11, 2004, 01:36 PM
I had been going to this particular shop in Tucson for YEARS. I bought many, many guns, and many, many thousands of dollars worth of ammo and accessories.

I had a NICE, 6" Colt Python with the "ultimate stainless" finish. I was wanting to trade that snake for a 1911, as I had 2 other Pythons, and it was a safe queen.

I walked tot he used shelf, and found a decent 70 series blued 1911. Nothing special, but clean, and tight. The price on it was $425.00. On the shelf below they had a 6" stainless Python, not nearly as clean as mine for $750.00.

I thought.."COOL", I can make the swap, get a couple little things, and we are all happy.

I called Dave over and said I wanted to trade the Python...he said, "Okay Sean (He knew my name, had known me for years, I never quibbled prices), let's see what you got."

He offered me $125.00 trade value for my Python.

I told him that that was a slap in the face, and I took my Python and walked out.

I have not been back to WEST OF THE PECOS on Pima since.

I went to Legal Pawn on South 4th Ave, and got a nice Commander, 4 mags, and a couple boxes of ammo.

Legal is an awesome place to shop. I shoulda went there first. Mike is a good guy, just like his Daddy was!

nordaim
November 11, 2004, 02:24 PM
I have not had any bad runs with particular shops, but I have had problems with employees.

I prefer to put my hands on anything I buy so am not that interested in ordering over the web or placing a custom order with a shop so tend to frequent all the shops in my area to see what they have, until I find what I want. There is one particular employee who has an attitude about those of us who come, browse, and do not buy a gun. I have bought large quantities of ammo in one trip, but since I looked at, and did not buy, a firearm, I get crap from him for it ("Ah, just window shopping, again I see.")

On the other hand, there is another employee who has taken, literally, hours of time to show friends of mine firearms. Never a complaint about it and he always addresses us when we come in and makes polite small talk.

Regardless, it all comes down to one thing my preferred gunshop's owner said:

"I'd rather take the time so you know what you want, because if you don't buy today, you'll buy someday and that means this time was important."

Daniel T
November 11, 2004, 02:38 PM
Dutchman, you should really tell us what shop it is that you're talking about. If they are screwing you, they could easily screw someone else.

MAUSER88
November 11, 2004, 02:43 PM
Yes, got screwed real good from my guy. It's his loss though as I spend about $5000.00 on guns and stuff. Moron!

TheDutchman
November 11, 2004, 03:01 PM
Sorry Daniel I rather not. :) Lot of the Austin THR guys go there.

MatthewVanitas
November 11, 2004, 08:55 PM
I drop by and put two cheap Turkish Mausers on consignment (because person-to-person sales are a pain in the tail in CA).

They take 15% of the sale, which seems reasonable. They asked me for a top price, and a bottom price. So we put the Mausers out at $99 each, with $60 being the "sell no lower than" price.

I left the store, and five minutes later got a call on my cellphone telling me that they'd just sold both Mausers. I think "Great, $198 -15% = $168 or so, not too bad". Then the owner tells me that they just sold for $60 each. I asked how it was possible that someone managed to bargain them down to rock bottom within five minutes of my leaving the store. Turns out, the store decided to buy the rifles from me and resell them. They generously bargained themselves down to $60/ea, presumably with the intent to slap a $130 tag on them and put them back on the rack.

Further, they had the unmitigated gall to charge me 15% for selling the rifles to themselves.

So, I told the guy to turn around and put them back on the rack with the original price we agreed on, which he grudgingly did. When I got back from Iraq, they claimed they'd sold one of the rifles for $60 while I was gone; claimed the buyer drove a really hard bargain...

To be fair, their shop has some horrendous deals, but also some great deals (mostly from their zealously combing the estate sales as retired military folks kick the bucket in Central California). So, I don't necessarily avoid them like the plague, but repeatedly chant "caveat emptor" under my breath whenever I walk in the door.

For a good shop, I like DJ's Sport and Loan up in Woodinville, WA. Small pawnshop with wall-to-wall firearms, including some pretty unusual items. Usually pretty good prices, friendly staff, and good inventory flow. Ditto Discount Guns down by Tukwila. Both shops have rather unsavory names, but good places to buy.

wingman
November 11, 2004, 09:41 PM
Good gunshops for sure are hard to locate however by and large all business
seem to be less honest in our changing times. :banghead:

bjbarron
November 11, 2004, 11:58 PM
Jackson Sporting Goods in South Jersey has a great assortment of new and used guns at very reasonable prices. The problem is the owner of the place is just plain nasty. I go in about once every five years and ten minutes in the place reminds me of why I don’t go there. He belittles customers and really only seems to want to deal with cops. The place is dark and dirty and usually empty. He has been like that for 20 years.

A year ago I walked in and plunked down $400+ for a nice stainless .45 cal revolver. I literally didn’t want any contact with them except to buy the gun. While filling out the paperwork (Jersey is a bitch) he mentioned that I couldn’t take it out of the store without a trigger lock (not true, any container, even a tied bag, is OK). I told him I would buy the gun and run home for a lock…no more than a half-hour out and back. He said he wasn’t in the business of holding guns.

I ripped up the paperwork and walked out. My patience level for this store is zero. If you guys knew what a pita it is to get pistol permits in Jersey you would know what that cost me. I had to reapply and wait another month for a permit. I went to another store and bought a Kimber 1911 instead.

Several other stores in the area are much more comfortable…leather sofas, FOX on the tube, the muted pop pop pop of the range in the back, and lots of pleasant gun talk. The problem is they don’t have the assortment that the pita guy has. Jersey pretty much sux for gun stores anyway. Probably the biggest and best is Ray's up in North Jersey, but he is closing. I generally have to buy my guns over the internet and have them shipped into a FFL dealer. Costs more, but you can't find a decent assortment of anything in Jersey.

Blueduck
November 12, 2004, 01:25 PM
My favorite was a small gun/pawn shop I went into. Seeing nothing of interest I asked if he could order a certain pistol for me.

He happily replied that he would order any pistol for me at cost +$40 . I thought that a pretty good deal deal until he explained he also needed $50.00 for shipping and another $50 for a "transfer fee"???

Final straw was when he pulled his "Cataloge" out to determine the price he would have to pay---It was a Gun Digest and he was using MSRP :scrutiny:

Wolfy
November 13, 2004, 03:21 AM
bjbarron

I hadn't heard Ray's is closing.

From your description:

"Several other stores in the area are much more comfortable…leather sofas, FOX on the tube, the muted pop pop pop of the range in the back, and lots of pleasant gun talk. "

Sounds like Shoreshot.

Have you tried Gene Salomon or Brick Armory?

Notch
November 13, 2004, 03:32 AM
There is a shop here in town that I have spent many thousands of doallrs in over the past 15 years... Many handguns and rifles for myself and friends as well as the people I dragged in there that ended up buying guns. So a while back I am driving by and decide to stop in look around a bit and inquire as to whether they knew of any C&R mg dealers in town. I finish up looking through the rifles with a batch of Moisons and some Enfields and I walk up to a guy I have dealt with in the shop for years and ask if he knows of any C&R auto dealers... He YELLS out "We dont do C&R and we dont sell machineguns!" I realize the entire shop is now looking at me. I dont even bother pointing to the C&Rs I had just looked at...The whole rack of rifles sitting there in front of his face, I just walked out. I will NEVER spend another dollar there again, and I will stop friend from doing so too!

cracked butt
November 13, 2004, 03:42 AM
Generally most of my experiences have been good.
On inquiring how much it costs to use a certain dealers FFL I was given a quote of $50. I then asked if I would get a price break if I ordered three firearms from the same distributer at a time, the answer was $150. I never walked into that shop again.

One place I don't take stuff to have worked on anymore is a chain store with the initials GM. I had a scope mounted and boresighted there, and it was off by 1 1/2' at 25 yards. I had the serving redone on a compound bow string there and it unravelled after 4 shots. I recently saw a Romanian M44 MN with a sewer pipe bore with a tag on it that read "Russian service rifle $199".

Greg45
November 13, 2004, 08:08 AM
The gun shops in my area (Cincinnati) are pretty awful. There's a couple nearby, and with the exception of one, (Shooters Supply in Loveland) they're mostly overpriced, and overstocked with combat tupperware or Kimbers.

It's all but impossible to find a high end 1911 in my area. Never have seen a Les Baer in any gun shop around here, and have only seen a Wilson CQB once.
Target World carries some Ed Brown Kobras if you feel like spending $2400 plus tax on one. :eek:

Even the gun shows around here are generally overpriced with a low amount of selection. Not many deals to be had around here.

ARperson
November 13, 2004, 08:59 AM
(ARperson better half is posting instead of ARperson)

At Bradis on the southwest side if Indianapolis I have had mostly good experiences. Sure some of their prices are a smidge higher than at some other big chain stores or some of the gunshows. But most are as good or better. Ammo is also slightly more expensive than at gun shows in low quantities. Priced fairly well when you buy a case.

But I tell you most of the time I am willing to pay a little more to help keep the shop open. They are a business, and do have bills to pay and employees to employ. Granted a royal screwing over of customers is a sure way to go out of business. But where will we be when we have put all the local guys out of business because they have slightly higher prices than the adds in shotgun news. I read the stories of guys being insulted in trades and just walking out. Have you ever thought of a nice conversational tone, asking them to explain their bid, or that you know that is excessively low.

I was going to trade a Springfield 1911 and a Glock 31 that had become safe queens. The guy behind the counter at Bradis told me flat out there were getting a lot of used guns in during that period of time, had a LOT of stock, and warned me that the price he quoted would be lower than I might get selling person to person. I asked him to quote me anyway, and he did. Needless to say I took my guns home, but he gave me an honest assessment of what was going on. Now if he gave me the quote first and I just stormed off insulted and mad, I may not be able to understand where they were coming from and would have left behind an honest business, wonderfull people, and best candy/toy/gun store I have ever been in my life!

I go the backroom at Bradis and fondle C&Rs almost weekly. I may only purchase one a month or every other month or so. But I tell you what, I sure am glad to have them there with all those guns for me to fondle. You can pick them up for a decent price, whereas at some of the other stores I've seen beat up bubba'd 91/30s for over $600!!.

Plus it's nice to have some place local when on a nice day you need a case of 5.45 to stretch the legs on your SAR-2.

Just my two cents, and not defending the poor businesses, but let's do keep in mind that the store owners and employees have to put food on their dinner tables as well. ;)

F4GIB
November 13, 2004, 01:29 PM
There is a shop here in town that I have spent many thousands of doallrs in over the past 15 years... Many handguns and rifles for myself and friends as well as the people I dragged in there that ended up buying guns. So a while back I am driving by and decide to stop in look around a bit and inquire as to whether they knew of any C&R mg dealers in town. I finish up looking through the rifles with a batch of Moisons and some Enfields and I walk up to a guy I have dealt with in the shop for years and ask if he knows of any C&R auto dealers... He YELLS out "We dont do C&R and we dont sell machineguns!" I realize the entire shop is now looking at me. I dont even bother pointing to the C&Rs I had just looked at...The whole rack of rifles sitting there in front of his face, I just walked out. I will NEVER spend another dollar there again, and I will stop friend from doing so too!

Name, please. I'd like to avoid them too.

KFD147
November 13, 2004, 02:47 PM
Does this shop start with a "H" or a "M"? :neener: :D

Jason :cool:

NMshooter
November 13, 2004, 04:34 PM
Bwahahahaa!

ABQ is so much fun! ;)

The internet is the only way to get decent accessories short of making your own here.

Notch
November 13, 2004, 04:34 PM
Name, please. I'd like to avoid them too.

The Frontiersman on 394. I bought my first handgun there. Come to think of it I bought my first rifle there too. Even if your having a bad day, there is no reason to treat customers like crap.....Paul.....

Retread
November 13, 2004, 06:50 PM
Throughout the 90's, I used to live in Western Washington near the town made famous by Mary Kay Letourneau. There was a gun shop there that used to advertise that all guns were sold at 8% over cost. I had spent many thousands of dollars on guns, ammo and stuff there. One day, I asked them to hold a particular gun for me while I went to the bank and got some cash. They charged extra if you used plastic, and I wanted to save the 3%. I asked the owner, (one of the three stooges) if he could take it into the back room, so it wouldn't get accidentally sold, but he reassured me it wouldn't. Fifteen minutes later, I returned, and the gun was in the process of being sold to someone else. The guy laughed it off, telling me next time I'd come prepared. I gently told the him what he could do with his attitude and left. Several months later, like a fool, I decided to give them a second chance, and ordered a 8 lb trigger spring for my glock from the so called In House Armorer. (I wanted to match a New York spring with a 3.5 connector.) He said he would call when it came in. About a month later, I was in the area and stopped to check on it. It hadn't been ordered. He then took a spring out of a used glock in the cabinet and asked, "got your gun?" I said no, but I knew how to install the spring in a Glock. He then handed me the used standard glock 5 lb spring. For those of you who don't do Glocks, they are very different in appearance, I said, "that's an 8 pounder, right?" He replied, "yes." I then told him he could keep his used 5 pound spring and left, never to return.

Even though he was more expensive, I started going to Wade's up in Microsoft land. I'd take my kid up there with me, and Wade would take the time to come over and play around with my kid. He even remembered his name.

Byron Quick
November 13, 2004, 08:55 PM
In the past six years, I've spent at least 10K with my main dealer. But I'm small potatoes. There's over 900 physicians in that county and many of them shop there. So when I ask him to let me know if he gets something in...it usually doesn't happen. He's got a MD looking for the same piece who spends more money with him. I can live with that. He's in business to make money.

But a few months ago, I was in there while they were pretty busy. I wanted to see a gun. The owner asked me to wait until they had finished with the other customers. I had no problem with that...they were ahead of me. But, after about twenty minutes, the owner finished with his customers. And started talking with someone browsing about a recent golf game. When he started on the details of the fourth hole, I left. Steaming. Almost shook the dust of the place off of my shoes. Vented to friends but asked for their advice. (I've got this teensy weensy tendency toward extremism.) Waited until I had cooled off in a few weeks. Went back. There was a nice S&W Model 66 for sale used. Not a good price but not totally out of the ball park, either. Called the owner over and asked what was the best he could do for me? He knocked two hundred dollars off the price and took a post dated check.

I think when he got through talking golf that he realized that he had pissed off a customer who's spending close to 2K annually with him.

KimberGoldMatch
November 13, 2004, 11:35 PM
OMG :eek: 720 for a glock? I love glocks but I guess here in florida they are just cheaper. I just paid 720OTD for a brand new USP compact 45.....

Take Aim Guns here in Tarpon Springs FL is a nice big shop, a little large on the prices, but that gets counter acted cause they treat everyone that comes in there with respect no matter of age. Really nice and knowledgable staff. A+

I'll second Take Aim, their prices were a little high but I'll make that sacrafice for friendly folks. :)

wwhitby
November 14, 2004, 11:35 AM
I was once quoted $135.00 by The Gunworks in Montgomery, Alabama to bend the bolt handle on an already sporterized Swedish Mauser. Needless to say, I didn't come back.

Also, I hate to say this, but I had to threaten to sue one gunsmith who worked at a store in Jasper, Alabama to get two pistols returned after he had them over a year and hadn't worked on them. The wait wasn't bad - the problem was that I kept getting the old "it will be done and shipped to you in two weeks" for six months.

Needless to say, I won't do business with either of them again.

I live near Montgomery, Alabama and there are no good places for bargins or deals around here. No way am I going to pay $129.00 for a good condition M91/30 that I know the owner got as a 4/$200 from Century Arms.

SnWnMe
November 14, 2004, 03:14 PM
I buy a '48 Pre 17 K-22 from one of the shops here. I paid quite bit for it (Kali "non approved gun" price). I've done business with them before. Both guns and accessories.

At the range, the gun has FTFs like crazy. Back to the shop, they fix it by replacing the mainspring while I wait. Good.

Back on the range the next day. FTFs. I compare the gun to my other K-22. The firing pin is worn out. Back to the shop. I point this out. They take the gun to be fixed by the resident 'smithy and they keep it for two weeks.

Back to me after explaining what they did (smithy said he set the cylinder back a bit, endshake fix?) and back to the range. FTFs. Back to the shop. I point out again that the firing pin appears to be short and worn. I asked if it should be sent to S&W. "I wouldn't send a vintage gun to S&W" was the knowledgeable reply :rolleyes: . They take the gun to be worked on by another 'smith. Again, two weeks.

Back to me and yup, FTFs. I take the gunback to them. This time, while talking to the owner, I mentioned that I will order a new firing pin and spring from S&W. I was hoping that he will take the hint and offer to get the parts (6 bucks!) for me. He says go ahead and buy and they will install them.

So I did. They installed the parts. That was the last time I did business with them.

Good experience: Turners in San Marcos CA. The guys are always very helpful. No commandos. Folks will bad mouth this chain of stores but the one in San Marcos has a good staff. The one in Clairemont Mesa is good too.

As for shops that charge too much for their stuff. I don't badmouth them, I just shop elsewhere. They're in business to make money after all.

Jesse308
November 15, 2004, 12:11 AM
SnWnMe, what shop was that?

The Grand Inquisitor
November 15, 2004, 02:30 AM
I shop here in Iowa City at a place called The Ammo Bearer.

I've made other posts here about this shop and the guy, Roger who owns and runs it. He is a nice, knowledgable, and trustworthy guy who I have come to like and trust, and in turn, I have bought 5 or 6 rifles from him in the last year and a half.

His prices are not perfect, but he is running a buisness, and they are reasonable enough that I am willing to pay a bit above internet price to support his buisness, and moreover to support his buisness practices.

If someone is honest and loyal to me as a merchant and seller, I will be loyal to him as a customer and buyer.

Winnisimmet
November 15, 2004, 07:08 PM
Back about ten years ago I purchased from the Kittery Trading Post in Maine, a 1944 built M1 Garand rifle that appeared to be 100% correct. The GAW stock was excellent and everything looked okay including the lockbar sites. Put down $350.00 and returned a week later with the balance to pick up the rifle. Was shocked when the M1 Garand was brought up and placed on the counter. The stock had big dents in it with one deep one directly across the inspector's cartouche. The receiver had numerous dings and gouges down to white metal. The rifle appeared to have been banged around pretty hard to the point of looking like vandalism.

The attitude of the clerk and manager there was, "If you don't like it, don't buy it". Always figured that when a buyer makes a payment on an item by half, then he has some legal rights? They were arrogant and careless with the collector value of the rifle being greatly diminished. Until that point, I had purchased lots of goods in the many thousands of dollars from Kittery Trading. Regardless, after that episode being treated so poorly, I was through with them and never returned.
:cuss:

SnWnMe
November 16, 2004, 01:02 AM
SnWnMe, what shop was that?

The Shootist in Murrieta

Buck Snort
November 16, 2004, 01:36 AM
A lot of mom & pop style gun shops are run by people who may know a lot about guns and hunting but don't know squat about running a business. Most of them are poor merchandisers and their customer relations program was developed by Attila the Hun!

captain obvious
November 16, 2004, 07:28 AM
It seems that every gun shop in morgantown that I have ever seen a M-N for sale in has had it for more than $175 :fire: (just for a price example).

Zach S
November 16, 2004, 09:24 AM
Nope, never been screwed at the gunshop I frequent. Well, I have been ignored a couple of times, and sometimes wind up helping customers when he gets real busy, but he doesnt mind me being there so much since my life at home sucks. He lets me hang out, I help customers as best I can, its a pretty good trade IMO.

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