[Mauserlady]

I can just see the conversation they had...

"So, we couldn't get a .05 tax passed what should we try this time? I know, lets try for a .10 tax"

:banghead:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0601-0650/ab_602_bill_20030218_introduced.html

And two days later the same bill introduced by another of our wonderful Assemblymen

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_992_bill_20030220_introduced.html

[Greg L]

That way they can show they are willing to compromise and will settle for $0.05 :rolleyes:

Tar and feathering needs to come back into fashion. I would say run them out of town on a rail, but we don't want them back here in the rest of the country. :D

Greg

[Mauserlady]

I would say run them out of town on a rail, but we don't want them back here in the rest of the country.

There isn't anyone I hate badly enough to wish them upon so I guess we're stuck with them for the time being... :D

[publius]

We need a rail that leads West....

[BenW]

We need a rail that leads West....
....and doesn't stop at the ocean. :fire:

[Mauserlady]

We need a rail that leads West....

Hey now, hold on there just a minute my friend... We've got us enough trouble here in the West, don't you be sendin us no mo.... :neener: :D

[Sactown]

Oh no, they're at it again?

[publius]

Relax, Carol. BenW got my meaning... ;)

[foghornl]

I need a rail that runs north from Columbus, OH, and doesn't stop at the edge of Cleveland


:evil:

[Sactown]

I guess we should start taxing cooking oil per ounce, because we all know oil makes for fatty foods which leads to heart disease which leads to hospital visits. Heck, we should tax utensils too!! Who votes these morons into office? Not ME!! It is in fact denying the RKBA by raising the cost of firearms ownership. Lunacy!

[CZ-75]

I guess we should start taxing cooking oil per ounce, because we all know oil makes for fatty foods which leads to heart disease which leads to hospital visits. Heck, we should tax utensils too!!



You, sir, are WAAAAAAY ahead of the curve.

If you keep coming up with off the wall ideas like this, you'll be in the Oval Office in no time.

;)

[Mauserlady]

Relax, Carol. BenW got my meaning... ;-)

Come now Pub. I know I've been a bit absent lately but you know me better than that... We don't even need them passing through, they might get off the train and never get back on... ;) :D

[45R]

More CA BS :cuss:

[Travis McGee]

If they keep pushing in this direction, sooner or later there may be a move toward Proposition 223.

[Mauserlady]

If they keep pushing in this direction, sooner or later there may be a move toward Proposition 223.

Wasn't that one similar to Prop. .243 :D ;)

[Frohickey]

I'll take your Propostion 223, and raise you a Proposition 762. :D

[Pendragon]

Those propositions are not as effective as they could be.

CA has outlawed pettitions that hold more than 10 signatures per page.

The so called "high capacity signature sheet" was making it too easy for the average citizen to pass referendums and shape the course of government.

[10-Ring]

Crap, not again! :banghead: :cuss:

[Russ]

Check out the list of crap they want to shove down your throats at www.calnra.org

There's a whole lot more than just the 10 cent per bullet tax. I bet those fruits in the Legislature pass it this time. Since Gray won't ever be elected to anything again, there's no downside to him signing it. Even though I don't live there anymore, this stuff really ticks me off because you never know, I may end up back there someday.

I was there for most of my life and I miss the weather this time of year. The rain and snow back here start to get old about now. I miss the sunshine and aloha shirts in the Winter. The gun laws here are great however. Shall issue and you don't have any stinking approved list, license or test to buy a pistol.

If they could only chop CA into 3 peices. As long as you don't have LA or SF in your part of the state, you would be living in a conservative place.

Here, I copied it from calnar.org now called Gun News Daily:

State/Local Legislation and Regulatory News:

2/27 - The wacko's list of California anti-hunting and gun control bills for 2003. (Ed: Not all are wacko. A couple of good ones, but with Democrats controlling the show in the legislature, they don't stand much of a chance.


AB-50 - .50 Caliber ban
AB-342 - Bans training and use of hunting dogs.
AB-396 - Bill would allow land use of private property contracted by the state for other activities other than hunting. (Ed: This bill must be watched as it may reduce the amount of land available for hunting in California. Further analysis is required on this one.)
AB-462 - Would expand the definition of "good cause" for issuance of a concealed carry permit to include victims of hate crime and domestic violence.
AB602 - 10 cent tax on each round, primer, bullet or casing sold in Cal.
AB992 - 10 cent tax on each round, primer, bullet or casing sold in Cal.
AB-1190 - Bans dove hunting.
SB-190 - Would require all semi-auto handguns to have a chamber load indicator as well as an automatic trigger disconnect so the handgun cannot fire with the magazine removed. (Ed: Another attempt to ban guns as a number of manufacturers will not comply and simply leave the California market.)
SB-35 - Ballistics testing of all firearms.
SB-824 - Requires employees of gun shops to each obtain a California dealers license.
SB-435 - Would change the training requirements for CCW applicants. (Not necessarily a bad bill.)

Don't you think it's time
California gun owners vote?

[Shalako]

"But wait.... some of those don't make sense?" :confused:


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:banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :cuss: :fire: :fire:

[Shalako]

AB 342 & AB 1190 are just plain vindictive and evil. The rest are mostly just plain bad and inappropriate but those two just completely blow my mind. How are dove hunting and training hunting dogs counter to the goals of CA? That's american as apple pie. Oh wait, CA on the whole doesn't want to be associated with things American anymore. That's right. Next they will ban Chevys, baseball, hot dogs, and grandmas. After that they can ban 4x4s, motorcycles, cigarettes, and beer. Might as well ban lowered minitrucks, mullets, and oakley sunglasses too. Those guys seem to have too much fun. Then ban heteros, boyscouts, little league, church, and dogs. Oh and gender has got to go. Endrogeny for everyone. And no more parents!! Parents are the crux of all this blasted individualism. I am starting to lose it. The dove hunting thing just completely put me over the edge. Deeeeeep Breath. OK. Maybe other hunters will see this and wake up to the assault on our life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness being led by these liberal dipsh_ts in our government. Deeeeeep Breath, repeat.

[Russ]

I think the next thing they need to do is ban the internal combustion engine and make everyone buy an electric car. You could cruise into work in LA on the 10 in your golf cart!

Some of the proposed laws are really out there. I couldn't believe it when I saw some of that stuff. It's always Jack Scott or Koretz or that idiot from the old (I'm dating myself now) Dobie Gillis show, Sheila Kuehl.

Did you notice that AB 602 and 992 are the same? Probably some little detail makes them different if you read the bill.

Anyway, if you go to the website you can click on the bill numbers and it will take you to the detail.

[Pendragon]

Forcing each gun store employee to get a FFL would be an incredible expense and burden on gunstores.

No reason for it except to further decimate the gunstore population...

[Mauserlady]

No reason for it except to further decimate the gunstore population...

Ding Ding Ding, tell the man what he' won Johnny....



What they are trying to do here reminds me of the movie "What About Bob"

Baby steps to the bus, baby steps on the bus....

Baby steps folks... Little by little till there's nothing left...

[Ikari]

Whoa, whoa, wait a minute....

...10 cent tax on each round, primer, bullet or casing sold...

So if you reload, it's .10 for the bullet, .10 for the case, .10 for the primer? I was pissed before, but this is ridiculous. Reloading was supposed to SAVE money.

[Nightfall]

So if you reload, it's .10 for the bullet, .10 for the case, .10 for the primer? I was pissed before, but this is ridiculous. Reloading was supposed to SAVE money.

This way, they can hit the hardcore shooters even harder. Once you've hurt the most avid of any group, the more casual ones are often even easier to pick apart without a core nucleus of strength.

As it was said before... little by little. Most people are too dull to notice this type of stuff until it hits them square in the face in a big way, and it's too late to respond.

[BenW]

So if you reload, it's .10 for the bullet, .10 for the case, .10 for the primer? I was pissed before, but this is ridiculous. Reloading was supposed to SAVE money.
This stipulation was in the $0.05 tax bill last year as well.

Basically, any average target shooter who reloads will pay an extra $3000 per year (10,000 rounds, $0.30 per home assembled round). If a criminal actually decides to buy cartridges instead of stealing them to use in a crime, he or she will pay an extra $2 (box of 20 cartridges, $0.10 per pre-assembled cartridge).

Reward the criminal, punish the innocent.:fire:

Of course this all assumes the bill would pass and one would not buy one's ammo or components out of state.

[Standing Wolf]

Frankly, I'm surprised it's taken the leftist extremists of the People's Republic of California this long to resurrect that horrendously stupid idea.

[Sir Galahad]

Buying ammo out of state will probably be a felony. They'll call it "smuggling". You know the inspection station on I-40 just over the border? They'll skip the fruits, plants and vegetables and start looking for ammo.

This ammo tax is a de facto gun ban. See, the problem with this is that social engineering sales taxes now have a healthy history of precedents. It started with cigarette tax. No one complained, because some of them didn't smoke. (You know, like the old saying: First they came for the trade unionists. I wasn't a trade unionist, so I didn't speak up...) At first it was a few cents sales tax a pack. Then they had to "do it for the kids" and raised it to a buck a pack. Then there was the "cost to public health" and it went up to $1.50 a pack. So, in places like New York City, cigarettes are $7 a pack now. Presto! A de facto cigarette ban. Now they're closing the "cigar, loose tobacco, and pipe tobacco loopholes" and beginning the push to bigger sales taxes on those. Then people started buying tobacco over the net to avoid these taxes. It's called "voting with your wallet." Not content to strip Constitutional rights in just one way, they seek to ban internet tobacco sales or find a way to tax them. The states are already whining about this. And---lo and behold!---they're already claiming that "terrorists" raise money by bootlegging cigarettes to high sales tax states. (You know, just like those same "terrorists" make money selling marijuana here in the U.S. Forget for a moment most terrorist leaders are billionaires and don't need to hustle renegade Marlboros or illicit Kona Gold on the streets of Philly to raise money for the jihad. This is the greatest excuse to legally steal from Americans in years!!) Soon, you'll need a license to buy tobacco.

And, of course, no one saw the handwriting on the wall. Tobacco was icky-poo and who cared. But the precedent of taxing items for PUBLIC HEALTH was set. This is the excuse for the ammo tax. To fund "trauma centers." Yeah, like the money raised by the California lottery was supposed to SUPPLEMENT existing educational money. :rolleyes:

They'll START with .05 or .10 cents per round. Then they'll need to incease that later. Probably .15 cents and then a quarter a round. Why? Because they can. Professional politicians can pass any tax they want and the people will grumble, but they'll pay. They paid with cigarettes. They'll pay with ammo. And the non-gun owning people will not speak up. Just like the non-smokers never spoke up about high taxes on tobacco.


...and then they came for me. But, by that time, there was no one left to speak up.

[Pendragon]

Well, if you shoot an average pistol round, the brass can last a LONG time.

You can cast your own bullets and dodge that tax.

Primers you cant get aroung - except by going out of state.

I am not sure they can keep you from going to Nevada and buying your components and bringing them back. Most people will not do this however.

Btw - this adds $50 to a brick of .22LR

Whatever.

We were looking at moving back to our home town to save money but my wife went house shopping and housing prices for our stupid small rural town are almost on par with the madness here in Sacramento. (like $265k for a 1500sqft average 3 br home)

I think she is realizing this place is going under.

[Drjones]

Guys, trust me; I'm JUST as furious as any of you, but seriously: Do any of these stand a chance to actually pass?

I know this is CA, but still....

And why don't we start writing letters and making phone calls????

:fire:

[Master Blaster]

You folks better wake up out there, SO when is the Million gunowner march on Sacramento??

The tax could be fought as discrimminatory to lower socioeconomic groups. Illegal aliens would not be able to afford to shoot anymore.

Surely someone must care about those poor illegals??? :uhoh:

[Topgun]

to pay for the "wear and tear" on the roads to Nevada.

Who wants to open a "Stateline Ammo Store?"

Be like firecrackers in the southeast. An ammo stand every 100 feet on the Nevada side.

:fire:

[Mauserlady]

Who wants to open a "Stateline Ammo Store?"

David and joked (only somewhat though) that we were going to have to set up an ammo stand on the AZ border the last time this came around.

I am not sure they can keep you from going to Nevada and buying your components and bringing them back. Most people will not do this however.

You'd be surprised... We have property in AZ that's only a 3.5 hr trip for us.

[Poohgyrr]

Tax ??

You guys are missing the real point ;).

Why mess around with wienie rounds like 44 mag?

Just follow the politicians lead:

5" barrelled .460 Weatherby Magnum semi auto. Call it the 1911 of 2003.

Small pistols load .338 Win Mags.....

Mouseguns take 30-06's......

:):):)

[Topgun]

As a bona fide member of the "well regulated militia" as defined in the US Constitution and elaborated in the Federalist Papers, this will increase my costs of training to perfect my rights and be a good citizen.

A 2nd amendment issue here.

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

These politicians are pushing their luck. Maybe they're making a last desperate stab at gun control here in the PRK because they all know they're on their way out from the current budget crisis.

Gotta get it in while the gettin's good. Can you say lame duck legislature?

'Course, if they get re-elected again, I only have one :evil: EVIL :evil: thought that comes to mind:

Vote From The Rooftops.

[Russ]

What makes you think the dirtbags are on their way out? Davis may get recalled but I bet you most voters in the PRK don't even know who their State Legistlators are so they just keep on voting for the incumbent or a name they recognize. I have an ex step brother out there that is stupid enough to vote for the Dems no matter what they do.

That slimey toad Willie Brown controlled the Legistlature for years until he got term limited out. It has always been a DemocRAT stronghold except for a brief moment in 1994 when the Republicans took both houses.Then you had the swine traitor Brian Setencich, newly elected Republican, get wooed and controlled by Willie and his cronies effectively thwarting a Republican agenda. At least there was generally a Repulican Governor to stop most of the BS. Ever since Governor Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown in the 70's anyway. Now you have Gov. Moonbeam's star pupil in the Governor's Mansion. The whole DemocRAT establishment out there should be hung for treason.

If they recall Davis, Vincente Fox could run for Governor. He would probably win. I've seen stranger things happen. He probably has dual citizenship so it won't really be a big deal. Then he could have the open borders he always wanted. I think Scott, Koretz, Kuehls and the rest of the bliss ninnys are there for the long run. Too bad Simon was such a dolt.

Why bother with smuggling ammo. Cigarettes are the ticket. We can get them in KY for a whole lot less than in the PRK. I bet organized crime is already making this happen. All they have to do is give Davis a contribution and it is OK with him.