HK's worst idea EVER


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Archer
November 12, 2004, 01:09 PM
Look at this latest patent granted to HK ! :fire:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=heckler.ASNM.&OS=AN/heckler&RS=AN/heckler

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tyme
November 12, 2004, 01:15 PM
Gives new meaning to the phrase "dial 911 and die", if the combination to your gun is 911...

Okiecruffler
November 12, 2004, 01:19 PM
I had a little combination lock like that on my ammo box. Had to cut it off last week because it decided the combination had changed. Just almost a good idea. :rolleyes:

noSpeak
November 12, 2004, 01:21 PM
It must be a really great feeling trying to turn a slippery dial while your hands are shaking from an adrenaline buzz. sheesh... Talk about the 21 foot rule.

Tag
November 12, 2004, 01:33 PM
will efforts at idiot proofing never cease. :uhoh:

rick_reno
November 12, 2004, 01:38 PM
If that were put into production - I'm sure that we'd see legislation requring us to carry only in the locked position.

I'd resort to carrying a rock, it's a lot cheaper.

psyopspec
November 12, 2004, 02:47 PM
Keep in mind that the good people at HK are running a business-that patent is over two years old, and nothing has come to pass so far. I wouldn't imply that they're in bed with any anti groups/politicians, but it seems that they're just trying to cover their butts on a new invention that they coined so that if the product takes off they've got rights to it. And it very well could. Households with small children might take advantage of such a device; I'm picturing a home defense gun that could be kept in a drawer and locked during the day, and unlocked at night, etc...

Henry Bowman
November 12, 2004, 02:53 PM
There are MANY production handguns on the market that include locking safeties. H&K has had one for years (used a key inserted into the mag well). If you don't like it, ignore it. They are no more likely to fail than is a thumb safety or grip safety on a 1911. It would be dumb to carry with the lock engaged. Is it dumb to keep guns locked in a safe that takes 30 seconds to open with a combination? It is if that is where your HD weapon is kept. Mechanical locks are not a dumb idea -- they simply are not a universal solution to every problem (like some antis think). :banghead:

38SnubFan
November 12, 2004, 04:06 PM
Keep in mind that the good people at HK are running a business-that patent is over two years old, and nothing has come to pass so far. I wouldn't imply that they're in bed with any anti groups/politicians, but it seems that they're just trying to cover their butts on a new invention that they coined so that if the product takes off they've got rights to it. And it very well could. Households with small children might take advantage of such a device; I'm picturing a home defense gun that could be kept in a drawer and locked during the day, and unlocked at night, etc...
I'm not sure if you were reading the same thing I was, but from what I see the patent was issued July 27, 2004. That's nowhere near 2 years old. Either way, I don't see this concept going very far for HK, or it would have been produced already.

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Spot77
November 12, 2004, 04:31 PM
Perhaps this has a silver lining.

If HK patented it, Nobody else can make it, right?

Jake
November 12, 2004, 05:11 PM
will efforts at idiot proofing never cease. :uhoh:


Nope. Because as soon as you do manage to make something that is truly idiot proof someone just turns around and invents a better idiot.

Zundfolge
November 12, 2004, 06:49 PM
Perhaps this has a silver lining.

If HK patented it, Nobody else can make it, right?

Excellent thinking ... I'd love to see pro-gun engineers perfect "Smart Gun Technology" and get the patents ... but NEVER make any actual guns.


Could be a way to head the antis off at the pass.

Kodiak AK
November 12, 2004, 06:52 PM
Gives new meaning to the phrase "dial 911 and die", if the combination to your gun is 911...
HAHA

Archer
November 12, 2004, 06:54 PM
Henry said:

There are MANY production handguns on the market that include locking safeties. H&K has had one for years (used a key inserted into the mag well). If you don't like it, ignore it. They are no more likely to fail than is a thumb safety or grip safety on a 1911.

Did you look at the diagram for this specific device, sir ?

I like my P7M8's and USP's, but I am fully cognizant that HK tends to use 12 parts when 4 will do. In this case there are at least 21 parts to this lock, as opposed to two in the previous locks you mention.

I would wager that something like that is far more prone to failure than the relatively simple safeties on my 1911's, none of which has ever failed me in many tens of thousands of shots.

THIS IS AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION NO ONE HAS ASKED.

psyopspec
November 12, 2004, 07:02 PM
I'm not sure if you were reading the same thing I was, but from what I see the patent was issued July 27, 2004. That's nowhere near 2 years old. Either way, I don't see this concept going very far for HK, or it would have been produced already.

The time stamp I was referring to marked the time the application was filed. Waiting for a patent wouldn't stop production, you may notice by looking at some HK Compact pistols the word's "Pat. Pending" stamped into the grip. My point is that the concept has in fact been around for a couple years and if they were going to develop it they would have started by now since there's no need to wait for an approval from the fed.gov.

Mr. Kook
November 12, 2004, 07:44 PM
Don't idiot proof your guns; gun proof your idiots.

pax
November 12, 2004, 11:35 PM
Mechanical locks are not a dumb idea -- they simply are not a universal solution to every problem.
That is about the most succinct explanation of the issue that I've ever seen.

pax

Tamara
November 12, 2004, 11:55 PM
Silly? Maybe.

As silly as the VP70? Not in a million years. ;)

Greg L
November 13, 2004, 07:25 AM
My vote for the worst idea would be their approving of the cover photo of their catalog that had the ammo in the magazine backwards :D .

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