AK iron sights through a gas tube mounted red dot?


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DMK
November 12, 2004, 04:01 PM
Does anybody know if it's possible to use the original iron sights through a red dot on one of these type of mounts?

I love having a red dot on an AK, but really like being able to fall back to irons if the batteries die or the sight goes kaput.

http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/UltimakAK.jpg
http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/bjbcatalog3.html

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Bridger
November 12, 2004, 04:59 PM
I don't have one so I'm not sure, but it looks to me the mount would get in the way. However, on my AR-15 the mount gets in the way of teh BUIS, but the mount has a throw-lever and is quick and easy to remove if I were to switch to the iron sights.

Sleeping Dog
November 12, 2004, 05:24 PM
I have a red-dot thing (Kobra) on my SAR1. When it fails (when shooter forgets to turn it off and the battery dies) then the iron sights work file. I don't use the iron sights through the red-dot, because the Kobra comes off by moving one lever.

http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/media/x03M_03.JPG

Tantal's site (http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/bstkobra.html)

MrMurphy
November 12, 2004, 07:26 PM
A low mounted dot might work (like the Aimpoint), but stick QD throw rings on the dot, and if it DOES die for some reason, two seconds later, you've got irons.


Also be aware with a dot scope, simply centering the bad guy in the dot scope is the same thing as aiming with the dot... it won't be pretty but inside 50 yards, you'd probably still hit pretty much where you aimed.

Sistema1927
November 12, 2004, 08:52 PM
Also be aware with a dot scope, simply centering the bad guy in the dot scope is the same thing as aiming with the dot... it won't be pretty but inside 50 yards, you'd probably still hit pretty much where you aimed.

I probably would have thought that same thing, prior to yesterday.

A buddy of mine has a MecTech carbine unit on a Para-Ord frame, and a brand new red dot sight. While I was shooting my AR-15, he discovered that his battery was missing, but tried to do what you suggested. He could not hit an IPSC target at 25 yds. I took a 3032 battery out of an optic that I had, and he then tried again, without success. We finally moved the target up to 7 yds., and we were finally able to get rounds on the target so as to get the sight adjusted. Just for grins, after we had the red dot zeroed at 25 yds. we turned off the sight, and shot while looking through the tube. We had no better success than he originally had.

chevrofreak
November 13, 2004, 01:06 AM
http://files.chevrofreak.com/pictures/UltiMAK/DSC01348_sm.jpg

You might even be able to mount the dot lower than what I have.

wardog
November 13, 2004, 02:38 AM
That's what I'm planning on. I'm planning on getting the Ultimak mount and putting my Leupold/Gilmore LG 35 on my AK. (When my AK finally gets here that is).

Check out this link:

http://www.ultimak.com/pic3.htm

OEF_VET
November 13, 2004, 04:53 AM
Of course, you can always do what I did and get a Trijicon ACOG Reflex sight. It doesn't use batteries and the tritium half-life is long enough that I'm not worried about it dying on me anytime soon. When it finally does peter out, I expect I'll have gotten enough use out of it without the expense of batteries to justify the expense of buying a replacement scope. (Of course, that'll be so many years away that we may not even be using explosive driven firearms anymore.)

Tomac
November 13, 2004, 08:32 AM
Check out the PK-AS sight for the AK. Sits low & left so the irons are always instantly available, doesn't need batteries for daytime use, great circle/dot reticle for precision aiming or CQB snapshots, very rugged (accidentally dropped one nearly 5' onto concrete w/o damage or loss of zero), I use it on all my AKs & Saiga shotguns.
Tomac
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/Saiga-12002s.jpg
This photo courtesy of Simo in Finland:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/PKAS-retik.jpg

DMK
November 13, 2004, 09:44 AM
Thanks guys. It looks like it will work if I mount the red dot low enough. I don't really care about co-witnesing. I just wanted to be able to use the irons through the tube if I wished. It's a really nice capability that I enjoy on my AR.

Thanks for that link Wardog. I guess I should have looked up the Ultimak site and my question would have been answered.

AK103K
November 13, 2004, 12:32 PM
It's going to be dependent on your sight and its rings or mount. I have a 30mm Bushnell with low rings on one of my AK's and I can only get the iron sights through the tube if they are set a 400m or higher. I also have a 1" Tasco sight on low rings on another AK and I can co-witness the dot to the irons. I tried one of the cheapie BSA dot sights with the mount attached and it also allowed the irons to co-witness the dot. Regardless of how you do it, if you use a knock off mount or rings, the sight can be gone in under a minute and you always have your iron sights. The forward mounted dot is the only way to go. Its very fast and natural to shoot with. Most others are mounted to high and in your face to make shooting natural, or as natural as iron sights. With this set up, you get basically the same cheek weld as you do with your iron sights, so the rifle shoulders the same. There's no "looking" for the dot, its just there as the rifle comes up. Snap shots are very fast, and you can easily make good, fast hits at 100m or farther.
Batteries are not as much an issue as they once were. They last a lot longer these days and the burn time is weeks or months instead of days or hours. I've left mine on by accident a couple of times, and it was over a week before I noticed it and the sight was still glowing bright. I carry spare batteries under the piece of inner tube I use on my sling to deaden the hook rattle, just in case. You can easily carry two spares there.

cheygriz
November 13, 2004, 12:37 PM
Another vote for the Trijicon reflex sight. It can easily be installed to "co-witness" with the iron sights on either the AK or AR type weapons.

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