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Sindawe
November 15, 2004, 02:03 PM
Just on FoxNews. A man said to be of Arab descent douses self with gasoline and sets himself on fire. :what:

No additional details yet, but they had a voice report on the scene, and I could hear police sirens in the background.

I have NEVER understood the tactic of setting oneself on fire as a means of protest.

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cslinger
November 15, 2004, 02:08 PM
I just don't understand what things like this accomplish.

I mean I don't agree with, but can understand terrorism or attacking your perceived enemy in a way that you believe will effect him.

I understand protests, I understand striking, I can even understand hunger strikes because you hang on long enough to get enough publicity to talk about your cause.

Just killing yourself says nothing but "Idiot kills self, film at eleven"

BigG
November 15, 2004, 02:13 PM
This was derived from the Buddhist monks who did same to protest VN war. The news media eats this stuff up and so does the gullible public. Psychological warfare to erode public support for the military. Right out of communist playbook. :cuss: :fire:

rock jock
November 15, 2004, 02:34 PM
Did anyone bring marshmallows?

Harry Tuttle
November 15, 2004, 02:43 PM
i gather immolation is the sin searest form of flattery

Darkmind
November 15, 2004, 02:48 PM
I'll bring the lawn chairs! :D

Greg L
November 15, 2004, 02:49 PM
Better than wrapping himself in explosives & heading to the Metro... :uhoh:

cordex
November 15, 2004, 02:57 PM
Toasty (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138621,00.html)

Fox is reporting he didn't do all that well. Just got a little burned before he got put out.

Wildalaska
November 15, 2004, 03:06 PM
Stuff like this burns me up

WildpyroAlaska

Henry Bowman
November 15, 2004, 03:16 PM
"Just got a little burned before he got put out."

From passersby taking a whiz on him? :neener:

Werewolf
November 15, 2004, 03:18 PM
This was derived from the Buddhist monks who did same to protest VN war. The news media eats this stuff up and so does the gullible public. Psychological warfare to erode public support for the military. Right out of communist playbook. :cuss: :fire:Considering the mood of the public in the US considering 911 I doubt if there will be too many tears shed, or too many folk becoming muslim sympathizers as a result of one burning himself up.

Speaking just for myself - the world is a tiny bit safer now with one fewer islamic radical nut job in it. And one has to be pretty radical and definitely a nut job to go out in the blaze of glory this guy chose.

Edited: Just read the guy didn't die. Too bad - he'll probably be so pissed at the botched job that next time he will wrap explosives around himself just to make sure he gets it right.

Harry Tuttle
November 15, 2004, 03:21 PM
Man Tries to Set Self Ablaze at White House


Monday, November 15, 2004


WASHINGTON, D.C.?—?An unidentified man tried to set himself on fire outside the White House fence midday Monday, witnesses said.


Onlookers said the incident took place outside the Northwest gate. Uniformed Secret Service (search) agents were seen rushing to surround the man, who had graying hair and glasses. He was heard screaming in pain.


Television cameras captured the aftermath. Smoke hung in the air around the man as paramedics rushed to provide aid. The man appeared to be clutching his hand in pain, but it was unclear how serious his burns were.


A spokesman for the District of Columbia Fire Department (search) said the man suffered burns over about 30 percent of his body.


The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=18458&stc=1

A Secret Service officer subdues a man who set fire to his possessions outside the Northwest gate of the White House November 15, 2004. The bearded man who was injured in the incident, shouted 'Allah' as police swarmed him. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

BigG
November 15, 2004, 03:22 PM
Considering the mood of the public in the US considering 911 I doubt if there will be too many tears shed, or too many folk becoming muslim sympathizers as a result of one burning himself up. I hope you're right, bud! :)

Harry Tuttle
November 15, 2004, 03:26 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041115/ids_photos_ts/r2250474703.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041115/i/r2250474703.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041115/i/r1543824809.jpg

12GA
November 15, 2004, 03:27 PM
Burn baby burn!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/12Gauge/BurningMan.gif

Sistema1927
November 15, 2004, 03:54 PM
12 GA,

Did you just create that graphic? If so, then how about modifying it to have the gas can blow up at the end?

shermacman
November 15, 2004, 03:59 PM
I burnt my index finger cooking steak on my grill last week. Didn't even blister, but it still hurts. I can't imagine the pain this guy is going through. Mentally and physically. I am trying to find some sympathy for this Mooseslum but it might not happen... :scrutiny:

Spot77
November 15, 2004, 03:59 PM
i gather immolation is the sin searest form of flattery



D'oh!

SLCDave
November 15, 2004, 04:04 PM
When the Gov't bans gas, the nation will be a safer place.

It's for the children.

BigG
November 15, 2004, 04:15 PM
I can't believe that they sell gasoline to crazy people. There ought to be a law against that! /soccer mom voice

Oleg Volk
November 15, 2004, 04:20 PM
How about fewer religious perjoratives?

Greg L
November 15, 2004, 04:37 PM
Ok how about...

Invesitgators say the fire may have originated in his pants. Witnesses claim they heard him say goodness gracious great balls of fire... :D

(not me, shamelessly stolen from elsewhere ;) )

motoman
November 15, 2004, 04:39 PM
we don't have some "reasonable restrictions" on the sale of gasoline! Come on, at least a backround check, and maybe a permit......yes a permit, but only after a 6 hour training course!

Sindawe
November 15, 2004, 04:43 PM
I burnt my index finger cooking steak on my grill last week. Didn't even blister, but it still hurts.

Thats for darn sure. I accidently stuck my finger in the flame of a propane torch years ago. Blistered and popped right away, screaming pain for the next 10 hours of my shift (working alone grave yards). Not something I wish to repeat.

12GA: Good one. :D

Darkmind
November 15, 2004, 05:00 PM
Tis the holiday season . . .. . . .


i'll start

/singing/ Chestnuts roasting on an open fire . . . . . / end singing/

Stand_Watie
November 15, 2004, 05:00 PM
I'm glad his anger didn't take a homicidal turn rather than the suicidal outlet.

rick_reno
November 15, 2004, 05:03 PM
Maybe he was cold...(read my sig)

Destructo6
November 15, 2004, 06:12 PM
At least the guy, Norman Morrison, who did it outside the Pentagon during the Vietnam war got it right.

Jeez, how hard can it be?
1) shower
2) flic bic

Justin
November 15, 2004, 07:15 PM
Destructo-

As far as I'm concerned it just goes to show how little faith he has in the statement he's trying to make.

Kind of like all of the idiots that went on a "hunger strike*" a few years ago at Purdue.



*Apparently when on a hunger strike Gatorade, juice drinks, and vitamin tablets are ok because they keep you from actually running the risk of dying for your cause.

hso
November 15, 2004, 08:00 PM
I'm going to hold judgement on this man until we all learn something more about what motivated him to do this. What he didn't do is try to harm anyone else. What he did do was harm himself in one of the most painful ways possible. 30% 2nd and 3rd degree burns are nothing to laugh about.

artherd
November 15, 2004, 08:01 PM
Who's got marshmellows?!?!

jfh
November 15, 2004, 08:18 PM
It should be

i gather immolation is the singe searest form of flattery

Winnisimmet
November 15, 2004, 09:27 PM
Too bad when the fool torched himself he didn't evoke the name of John Kerry instead of Allah. That would have been classic! :fire: :fire: :fire: :neener:


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Cosmoline
November 16, 2004, 04:21 PM
Those monks at least knew how to burn themselves. They'd sit there like statues. Whatever their political motivations, you had to admire their nerve and self-control. This guy is just a nut.

Harry Tuttle
November 16, 2004, 04:28 PM
Terror Informant Ignites Himself Near White House
Yemeni Was Upset at Treatment by FBI
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51575-2004Nov15.html


By Caryle Murphy and Del Quentin Wilber
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 16, 2004; Page A01



A Falls Church man who worked as a federal informant on terrorism set himself on fire in front of the White House yesterday, hours after announcing his suicide attempt and citing his growing despondency over how the FBI managed his case.


Mohamed Alanssi, 52, approached the northwest guardhouse on Pennsylvania Avenue about 2:05 p.m. and asked the security detail to deliver a note to President Bush. When uniformed Secret Service officers turned him away, he stepped about 15 feet from the guard post and used a lighter to ignite his jacket, according to the U.S. Park Police.


Secret Service officers wrestled him to the ground and doused the flames with fire extinguishers. Alanssi was taken to Washington Hospital Center, where he was listed in critical condition with burns over about 30 percent of his body, authorities said.


Alanssi, who is from Yemen and also uses the name Mohamed Alhadrami, recently discussed his work as a federal informant in a series of interviews with The Washington Post. Yesterday morning, he informed the newspaper by faxed letter and by telephone that he was going to "burn my body at unexpected place." He also sent a copy of a letter he said he had faxed to the FBI agent in New York who is handling his case. The Post alerted the agent and provided a copy of the letter.


In two telephone conversations yesterday, Alanssi told a Post reporter that he would provide 10 minutes' notice of his suicide attempt and that only then would he reveal the location. When he called a third time, Alanssi said he had poured gasoline and would be setting himself on fire in two minutes, not 10, and it would take place near the White House. The newspaper informed D.C. police, who notified the special operations unit and the U.S. Park Police, which has jurisdiction over Lafayette Square.






In the recent interviews, Alanssi expressed anguish over not being able to visit his family in Yemen. He said that he suffers from diabetes and heart problems and that his wife is seriously ill with stomach cancer. Alanssi said he could not travel to his native country because he has no money and because the FBI, which is expecting him to testify at a terrorism trial in New York, was keeping his Yemeni passport.


"I must travel to Yemen to see my sick wife (stomac cancer) and my family before I testify at the court or any other places," Alanssi wrote FBI agent Robert Fuller in New York, according to the copy he provided The Post yesterday. "Why you don't care about my life and my family's life? Once I testify my family will be killed in Yemen, me too I will be dead man."


The FBI declined to comment on Alanssi's identity or his claims of working with the bureau. "We don't have a policy on revealing who is a cooperator or informing witness," said Joe Valiquette, an FBI spokesman in New York. The U.S. attorney's office in the eastern district of New York, which is prosecuting the terrorism-related trial in January, also declined to comment.


Alanssi, who described himself as a once-successful businessman in Yemen, also was upset with the FBI because he said agents had not kept promises they made to secure his cooperation. Those promises included a large, but unspecified, amount of money, eventual U.S. citizenship and protection of his identity, he said.


Alanssi said that he went to the FBI in New York shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and offered information on alleged financers of al Qaeda working in Yemen. He said he quickly became a major informant for the FBI, on occasion traveling to Yemen to gather intelligence.


He volunteered that the FBI paid him $100,000 in 2003. But he said he had been expecting much more because he said some agents told him he would "be a millionaire." And although he was promised permanent residency in this country, he said, he has not received it.


Alanssi said he did not have enough money to pay his medical bills or buy his prescription drugs. He said he recently underwent an operation at a Fairfax hospital to unclog his arteries.


"It is my big mistake that I have cooperated with FBI," he said in a recent interview. "The FBI have already destroyed my life and my family's life and made us in a very danger position . . . I am not crazy to destroy my life and my family's life to get $100,000," he said.


Alanssi also alleged that the FBI had failed to adequately protect his role in a sting operation conducted in Germany in January 2003. That led to the arrest of Mohammed Ali Hassan Al Moayad, a Yemeni cleric who is slated to go on trial Jan. 10 in New York on charges of providing material support to al Qaeda.


Attorney General John D. Ashcroft told the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 2003 that Moayad had "boasted jihad was his field and trumpeted his involvement in providing money, recruits and supplies to al Qaeda, Hamas and other terrorist groups."


Alanssi said he played an important role in the success of that sting operation by persuading Moayad to travel from Yemen to Frankfurt, where the undercover investigation was carried out. Moayad allegedly boasted -- while U.S. and German agents taped the encounter -- of sending money and recruits to al Qaeda.


In a Jan. 5, 2003, affidavit supporting Moayad's arrest warrant, Fuller said that he had been working with an informant since November 2001. He described him as a Yemeni citizen who had provided reliable information and who had "contributed, in part, to the arrests of 20 individuals and the seizure of over $1 million."


Alanssi's identity was leaked, along with details of his role, and the case was the subject of a Washington Post story in 2003 and accounts in the Yemeni press. As a result, Alanssi said, his family had been harassed and threatened in Yemen, where Moayad, 55, is a prominent leader in Islamist circles.


A short, stocky man, Alanssi said that he was in the United States on a visitor's visa seeking business opportunities when the 2001 terrorist attacks took place. He said that he worked for the U.S. Embassy in Yemen in the mid-1970s and that he was angered by the attacks because he likes Americans.


He also saw an opportunity, he said, to pursue his dream of making it in business in this country.


In recent interviews with The Post, Alanssi, who has six children, sometimes was visibly upset, once breaking down in sobs.


In the letter faxed to The Post, Alanssi wrote: "I would like to tell all American People that I love them and I am proud to be a good friend for all American People, and I am asking them: Do you think what FBI did to me is it FARE or UNFAIR."


The incident rattled police officers and passersby outside the White House, where Pennsylvania Avenue was reopened to pedestrians recently. John and Beverly Beers, both 48, had just arrived from DeLand, Fla., and were out for a walk.


"I heard someone screaming," Beverly Beers said. "I saw flames, really quick, because they put them out. And then he was laying on the ground. . . . I just figured it was a person trying to get attention."


Staff writers David Cho, Maureen Fan and Susan Schmidt contributed to this report.

Lone_Gunman
November 16, 2004, 04:35 PM
Is suicide not forbidden in Islam?

I don't mean a suicide attack against "the infidel", I just mean good old fashioned suicide?

If it is forbidden, then how does he religiously justify this?

mack69
November 17, 2004, 04:25 PM
Think of the children!!! :fire:

stevelyn
November 17, 2004, 11:34 PM
We don't need no water........................................... :D

Ryder
November 18, 2004, 09:41 AM
"FARE or UNFAIR"

This isn't the first time I've heard of large reward payments being reneged on for terrorist captures. Too bad for all of us once word gets around to the rest of the world that our government is run by liars.

I've been offered to become an informant myself in the past. I had a family to protect. No offer or threat they could dream up would convince me to co-operate. Fairness doesn't matter once you've taken their bait Mohamed. You were owned. No amount of anyone caring will repair the damage once it's done.

He had nothing left to lose but his life and that had become worthless to him.

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