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tulsamal
November 15, 2004, 05:33 PM
I'm actually a little surprised but ABC just reported Rice is going to be the nominee to replace Powell.

Gregg

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Hawkmoon
November 15, 2004, 05:39 PM
Surprise!

:yawn:

Cliff
November 15, 2004, 05:43 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong,but she's a bit more hawkish then Powell was,right?

tulsamal
November 15, 2004, 06:15 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong,but she's a bit more hawkish then Powell was,right?

I would say that's true. Powell was more inclined to seek international agreement. Rice has been a big believer in the Iraq war.

I would say it is probably bad news for Putin. He has been tightening his rule in Russia. Rice is a specialist in that area and speaks the language. She will be tougher to fool than somebody who was a specialist in other areas. Of course you could make the argument that we really need a specialist in the ME instead of Russia! She will need some good deputies with knowledge in that area.

Gregg

Lone_Gunman
November 15, 2004, 06:20 PM
Colin Powell has not been too great of a Sec of State.

I think she will do at least as well.

It will be interesting to see how she does.

Dave R
November 15, 2004, 06:23 PM
Hmmm, that takes her one step closer to the Presidential nomination in 2008, right?

Lone_Gunman
November 15, 2004, 06:33 PM
The Republicans won't nominate a black female as president. The Republicans have to continue to take the South, and a black female will have a hard time doing that.

She might end up as VP though.

Akurat
November 15, 2004, 06:40 PM
Powell was a hinderance as Secy of State. He was the main force behind seeking approval at the UN, and he really acted like more of a celebrity than a Secy. He just didn't seem all that determined to do his job...whether he was a fan of the policy or not..

Rice will be better no doubt.

Zundfolge
November 15, 2004, 06:42 PM
The Republicans won't nominate a black female as president. The Republicans have to continue to take the South, and a black female will have a hard time doing that.

She might end up as VP though.

If the alternative is Hillary you'll see Klansmen out voting for Rice.

Gordon Fink
November 15, 2004, 07:18 PM
Colin Powell has not been too great of a Sec of State.


It’s hard to be a good diplomat when your boss isn’t terribly interested in diplomacy.

~G. Fink

Lone_Gunman
November 15, 2004, 07:30 PM
If the alternative is Hillary you'll see Klansmen out voting for Rice.

Many people will just stay home and not vote at all if that happens.

Byron Quick
November 15, 2004, 07:32 PM
I think that Rice will probably do a good job.

I'm southern born and bred. I know a lot of white folk that would vote for Rice. To say they've been impressed is an understatement. And when the alternative is Frau Clinton...like the man said: Klansmen would be voting for Rice. I don't think she'd get as big a percentage of the white southern vote as Bush did. I think the percentage of the black southern vote would more than make up for it.

I also think that a black female would have the potential to win in some states that usually go to the Democrats.

But I basically agree with Lone Gunman...she'll probably be the VP candidate.

Waitone
November 15, 2004, 07:44 PM
She needs to prove herself as a politician before seeking top of the ticket.

As head of State department--good move. Looks like the purge is underway.

CarlS
November 15, 2004, 07:48 PM
I think Rice is a good person and a good choice. She seems to be a no BS type of person. And she is pro 2A. I am a born and bred Southerner and I would vote for her for President, especially if Hillary were the Dem candidate. She may well be the only person who could beat Hillary. The liberals don't like her and that is a good recommedation to me! :D :D

Standing Wolf
November 15, 2004, 07:59 PM
I think she'll do just fine—and good riddance to Colin Powell, another useless R.I.N.O.!

Otherguy Overby
November 15, 2004, 08:06 PM
She needs to prove herself as a politician before seeking top of the ticket.

I'm sorry, but this comment is a non-sequitur for me...

IOW, a "proven" politician is a real qualification? :)

I'm of the opinion that what we really don't need is yet another politician.

Bartholomew Roberts
November 15, 2004, 08:13 PM
The Republicans won't nominate a black female as president. The Republicans have to continue to take the South, and a black female will have a hard time doing that.

She might end up as VP though.

I don't think her being a black or a female is near as big a deal as the fact that she has never held elected office or been the center of a political campaign. Those two criteria mean she is effectively disqualified for now.

Brett Bellmore
November 15, 2004, 08:27 PM
For the last four years, and the next four, she's getting the kind of experience you need to be a good President. The experience to be a good candidate you can buy. That's what people like Rove are for. And she's already got one up on Bush, in that she's articulate.

Kaylee
November 15, 2004, 09:28 PM
Oh rock on!

I so want to see her on the ticket in '08! Heck... that'd be enough to make me pull the "R" lever for the second time in my life. :D


.. provided they don't do something stupid like put Guiliani on as top billing. :scrutiny:

hammer4nc
November 15, 2004, 09:45 PM
The afternoon radio news had Condi and John Danforth as leading candidates for sec. state. I prayed "please leave this wretch at the UN". So far, my prayers have been answered...but several cabinet slots left to be filled.

2nd Amendment
November 15, 2004, 09:55 PM
I think you may under estimate the South. I'll go out on a limb here and predict that the South would vote for her en masse. It would be the first time the Repubs come close to taking 50% of the black vote and WAY better than 50% of the female vote. I believe she would play VERY well to hispanics, too, but I may be wrong on that. I remember from college days a lot of animosity between blacks and Hispanics, but that was 20 years ago.

If her opposition were Hillary I'll feel safe in predicting it would be a VERY interesting election with one of the highest turnouts in our nation's history. Oh, and I believe she would OWN the white male vote... Personally it would be the first time I have felt good about voting for someone since Reagan's second term. Not great, but at least good.

sigmaman
November 15, 2004, 09:57 PM
how many people in the bush administration are oil tankers named after?
Rice had to ask for occidental petroleum not to name a new supertanker after her
ya i think she will fit in perfectly
wish colin powell would stay on

2nd Amendment
November 15, 2004, 09:59 PM
Hmm, interesting thought: If Rice DOES run who could the Dems effectively field other than Hillary? Think about it. She's the only woman the Dems have with enough clout(forgetting her baggage for the moment) and I really believe the female vote would make any male opponent an also-ran from day one...

mparris71
November 15, 2004, 10:10 PM
I’m southern white conservative that would vote for Rice. The South has fewer bigots than most would think

2nd Amendment
November 15, 2004, 10:21 PM
Hmm, another interesting thought: Where would the Dem's anger be directed if they were to lose to Rice because the "intolerant, throwback, ignorant, redneck, Xenophobic, racist red states" voted decisively for a black female...especially if the competition were a white male who took the "progressive" blue states?

If Rice runs the Dems are almost forced to run Hillary, or find another strong female and, frankly, I can't think of a single one they have.

Atticus
November 15, 2004, 10:27 PM
She's a good woman. I can't wait to see her sitting down with the Sheiks and telling them how it is.

Stevie-Ray
November 15, 2004, 10:52 PM
Sounds good to me! I like her.

hubel458
November 15, 2004, 11:06 PM
She will be ten times better than Addled Madeline..Ed

Preacherman
November 16, 2004, 02:34 AM
My gut feel on the next Presidential candidate for the Republican Party is that it will be someone who replaces Cheney as Vice-President. Look for Cheney to resign for "health reasons" halfway or so through his term of office. If Rice is a contender, I would expect Bush to nominate her as VP. With a couple of years of VP experience, plus a couple of years as Secretary of State, plus four years as National Security Adviser, I don't think anyone could accuse her of lacking the necessary experience of government... and yes, I'd vote for her! Brilliant mind, incisive decision-making, 2A/RKBA believer - what's not to like? :D

Waitone
November 16, 2004, 07:44 AM
If she runs for president America will lose a bang-up NFL commissioner. The lady is a football fan and a second amendment absolutist. Does she drive a pickup?

Fastlane
November 16, 2004, 08:51 AM
Rice, she would have my vote. I think she is one of the few bright spots in the Bush administration.

Kaylee
November 16, 2004, 08:58 AM
Tee... heard someone on the radio today complaining that she'd always be shopping while in foriegn countries. The chick he as complaining to said....

"well... knowing Ms. Rice, she'll be shopping for weapons."

:D

This just keeps getting better. :)

buzz_knox
November 16, 2004, 09:12 AM
Powell's problem is that he apparently thought he was the boss, and decided to say what he wanted, rather what he was instructed to say. Some of the worst diplomatic fiascos of the early part of Bush's first term were caused by Powell telling foreign leaders something quite different than he was instructed to. That changed with time as he learned his job, but his recent statement about Taiwan (which contravened existing and long-term US policy) was more of the same.

As for Rice, I think she's being groomed for far greater things, and with good reason.

zastros
November 16, 2004, 09:13 AM
Her only drawback as sec of state is that she's supposedly not a very good people manager. If her second in command is real hands-on she should do very well for the presidents policy aims. She is a true believer(?) in the Bush agenda.

Colin Powell, whom I deeply repect, was too willing to get along with the policy wonks entrenched in the state dept. (who deeply disagree with the Presidents agenda). I think we'll see a very nice purge there.

OF
November 16, 2004, 09:23 AM
It would be worth it just to watch the left go into apoplectic fits releasing their hate onto a black woman Pres or VP candidate.

That would be priceless.

- Gabe

Lobotomy Boy
November 16, 2004, 09:27 AM
So the worst thing Powell did was keep us out of a shooting war with China. The nerve of him.

BigG
November 16, 2004, 09:28 AM
Colin Powell is much better gone. He is a RINO and not worthy of trust of such high positions as he's been fortunate to occupy. For those of you who respect him, I think I'm as staunch a conservative as anybody and I would vote for Hillary before him. Count me out of his fan club.

Lone_Gunman
November 16, 2004, 09:30 AM
I think the people who actually think a black female would have a chance are not being honest with themselves. I agree there is much less racism than there once was, in the South, and elsewhere.

However, remember margins of victory these days are extremely thin. I think race would play a big enough role that she would not win some critical votes. I don't believe that people would necessarily go vote for the Democrat candidate instead of her, but I would be concerned that some Republicans might just not participate in the election at all.

buzz_knox
November 16, 2004, 09:32 AM
So the worst thing Powell did was keep us out of a shooting war with China. The nerve of him.

Yes, how did we ever get along without him from the end of the Korean War until 2001? I mean, no shooting war in all that time despite his absence? Wow. Talk about miracles.

Leatherneck
November 16, 2004, 09:54 AM
Let's play fantasy politics for a while :D

Colin Powell switches parties and gets to be on the Democratic ticket as either President or VP with a credible Dem.

Cheney's replacement is a predictable middle-of-the-road Republican who gets the nomination for Pres. with Condi as VP.

Who do you vote for? :neener:

TC
TFL Survivor

Lobotomy Boy
November 16, 2004, 10:04 AM
Yes, how did we ever get along without him from the end of the Korean War until 2001? I mean, no shooting war in all that time despite his absence? Wow. Talk about miracles.

How did we get along without him? Easy--Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz weren't dictating foriegn policy during those years. We didn't have a policy of "pre-emptive war" during those years. We didn't have an administration hell-bent on a global Pax Americana, enforced by an Iraqi-sized war every couple of years. In other words, we got along all those years because we didn't have the inmates running the asylum.

Brett Bellmore
November 16, 2004, 11:00 AM
I don't think the party of Al Sharpton wants to get into a contest with Republicans to see whose base is more bigoted. :barf:

Let's run Rice in 2008, and forget this VP stuff, too. 2-3 years as VP should be enough seasoning to run for the top spot. Then we can settle once and for all whether Democratic dogma about Republican racism is true, or just a way of holding onto the black vote.

Daemon688
November 16, 2004, 12:39 PM
Condoleezza Rice nominated for secretary of state, on the news right now.

|edit| I guess I was too slow, feel free to delete this post.

lostone1413
November 16, 2004, 12:57 PM
From what i've read she is one of the most pro gun person in DC. Good choice!!!! The way it looks now think she will be the best choice in 08!

Skunkabilly
November 16, 2004, 01:13 PM
She's smart.

She's good looking.

And best of all...

SHE'S SINGLE!!!!!!

(yeah she's twice my age but for her I'll make an exception!!!)

Preacherman
November 16, 2004, 01:24 PM
Duplicate threads merged.

WYO
November 16, 2004, 01:38 PM
I agree with Preacherman. I strongly believe that Cheney will resign with a view to posturing the party for 2008. I like Condi a lot as well, and would vote for her for President. However, I am afraid that she may burn out prior to 2008. There already was talk of her going back to Stanford. Staying to help the President for another 4 years is not the same as making an 8-12 year commitment, and I do not know if she is going to be willing to do that.

JerryM
November 16, 2004, 01:39 PM
I was born and raised in the South. My kin are still there is AR and TX. To think that the South is still in the racial discrimination mode of the past is a mistake. I do not personally know a single individual who would reject Dr Rice because of her race.
If she were the Republican candidate, and if she had the correct stance on the moral issues, I would vote for her.

Jerry

Lone_Gunman
November 16, 2004, 02:22 PM
JerryM, its not just the south I would worry about... there are a lot of other places where her race may play a role. I am not saying it would be the only issue, just an issue in a close race.

How many black US senators does our country have?

I like most everything I know about Condoleeza Rice, but she is a bureaucrat and not a politician. I think she would do fine as Sec of State. She might even do fine as the VP candidate in 2008, but I dont think there is a chance the Republicans will run her as president.

flatrock
November 16, 2004, 02:37 PM
The Republicans won't nominate a black female as president. The Republicans have to continue to take the South, and a black female will have a hard time doing that.

She might end up as VP though.

The South has changed considerably over time. In 4 more years, I suspect it will have changed even more.

Depending on who the Dems nominate, it's possible that they may have to choose between two women for president.

That may result in lower voter turnout in some areas where chauvinism runs strong, but I don't think it would cost her as much as she stands to gain with women voters.

pangris
November 16, 2004, 02:47 PM
I'd vote for anybody, rep or demonrat, with her beliefs and 2nd amend stance.

I'd vote for an asexual purple alien if they had her track record.

And I'm a white male in Louisiana.

God, guns and gays in the south?

No. Guns, taxes, and kicking ass overseas until people stop thinking they can spit in our eye.

Condi in 2008... not my first pick but not a bad pick, either.

Paul

Lone_Gunman
November 16, 2004, 03:36 PM
Well, maybe you guys who think race won't play a part in the election are right.

Personally, I don't think human nature changes much over time.

It certainly would be an interesting social experiment to run her for President.

She is a bureaucrat though that has never held elected office. She is not a politician. This would be pointed out over and over during the election.

2nd Amendment
November 16, 2004, 04:19 PM
It isn't so much I think race "won't play a part", I just think that even the most racist today have reached a point where other considerations are more important. While Joe Sixpack may not like the fact she is female, or especially that she is black, he will like her stance on Rights, international politics and killing terrorist thugs.

Give Joe a choice between a white male and a black female with the same views and he'll pick the WASP every time. Give him a choice between the "right-thinking" black female and an Appeasement Dem of any race or sex and he'll pick the female. Maybe grudingly, but still, other considerations come first. But hey, I may be over-estimating people. Wouldn't be the first time...

WYO
November 16, 2004, 04:42 PM
She is a bureaucrat though that has never held elected office. She is not a politician. This would be pointed out over and over during the election.

The bureaucrat part may be a slight negative, but anyone has to have some background for the job. The fact that she has never held elected office is a major plus for me. The fact that she made noises about wanting to go back to her old job instead of tripping on the power is a major plus for me. If she decides to stay and play, she is doing it for all the right reasons, not the traditional politician reasons.

I think the Republicans ought to pick the best candidate that stands up for the party ideals and has a fair shot at winning and leave the debate about female/black/Joe Sixpack to the electorate. If Bush gets to pack the Supreme Court this term, what happens in 2008 may not be as important as establishing a legacy for the long term future, plus the electorate may just surprise us and mess up the experts for a long time to come.

JerryM
November 16, 2004, 05:16 PM
JerryM, its not just the south I would worry about... there are a lot of other places where her race may play a role. I am not saying it would be the only issue, just an issue in a close race.

How many black US senators does our country have?

I like most everything I know about Condoleeza Rice, but she is a bureaucrat and not a politician. I think she would do fine as Sec of State. She might even do fine as the VP candidate in 2008, but I dont think there is a chance the Republicans will run her as president.

I agree.I think that in fact there may be more racism in other parts of the country, but it is not admitted to.

I also do not think that she has a chance of being the Republican nominee. I am not sure that any woman could get the nomination at this time.

Jerry

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