Carry in assisted living apartments?


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kngflp
November 16, 2004, 09:52 PM
My grandmother has resently moved to an assisted living facility. Its not a nursing home, I don't even think there is a nurse on sight. Recently she told me one of the tennents was kicked out because they found a gun in his room, I'm sure they have a no guns rule in their contract, but this still pisses me off. It directly effects me because because my grandmother, for fear of getting evicted, has asked me to stop carrying when I come to see her. She says that guns are not allowed on premises not even in the parking lot. I plan on calling the manager and talking to him about this, I am not even really clear if this is meant for residents only or everyone. There are no signs posted anywhere, but they did have a meeting about it, it is not a new rule. If the manager does tell me that no one can carry a gun on the premises what should I then say, I live in Tennessee and I think they would at least have to have a sign up. She I try to contest it or just ignore him and carry anyway, I don't plan on telling him who I visit there in case it dosn't go so smooth. Well thanks in advance for any info.

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SiG Lady
November 16, 2004, 11:10 PM
We had an incident this year in an assisted living residential facility that allegedly didn't allow guns, but one old grouch had one anyway. He took a dislike to another guy and his wife who lived there and--to make a long story short--all three were shot dead... a murder/suicide incident. He was repeatedly harrassing these people and he was nuts. Why in hell didn't the management take more time to respond to the married couple's many complaints of the grouch's threats and do a search of his room for weapons of ANY kind...? The facility is being sued right and left. It didn't have to happen. But it's what CAN happen in this kind of facility if the senile are allowed to have weapons on the premises. :(

Preacherman
November 16, 2004, 11:23 PM
Yep, that's the problem... elderly people very often develop mental problems such as paranoia, dementia, etc. Of course, it's not their fault at all - in fact, one of my frequent prayers is that I die before I lose possession of my mental faculties... it's not nice! My mother is in a nursing home at the moment, in full-blown dementia, and doesn't even recognize my Dad, let alone her kids. It's very unpleasant indeed for us to see, although I'm sure she doesn't feel anything bad.

As long as such problems exist, I don't see any assisted-living facility allowing guns on the premises. The potential for misuse is far, far greater than with kids at home, or something like that.

SiG Lady
November 17, 2004, 12:28 AM
Yes, it was an issue of some form or degree of dementia, as his behaviour had been repetitive and irrational. But it was the MANAGEMENT who failed to take any of this seriously as it escalated and freaked out the couple under threat. I'd have sued the facility too, if it'd been MY relatives killed by some looney that was allowed to be hostile 24/7. In fact, the other couple had considered moving out of the facility but either couldn't afford to or found it an inconvenient idea at their age. They paid some kind of ultimate price... but it wasn't their fault.

When I go I just want to go fast. None of this "lingering" stuff in a delusional state. I would never turn my guns on myself, but I can understand why some people do. We have about 50 suicides a year here in Lane County--most of them self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

So, on that delightful note... Carry on. :)

kngflp
November 17, 2004, 02:06 AM
I'm not so much worried about the man that was removed , I understand the thinking behind this, I am just wondering about what can be done if this applies to everyone entering the facility, I carry everywhere I go, I don't really go where I'm not allowed to carry, however I can't stop visiting my grandmother. I was just seeing if anyone had any previous experience dealing with this type of situation, what should be said, what actions to take, etc.

Model520Fan
November 17, 2004, 07:40 AM
You won't get an answer on this thread except maybe from a lawyer, if Tennessee has some special provisions regarding posting.

What are you looking for? All the answers are right in front of you, but they are really choices, and YOU will make them, not some stranger on the internet.

Choices?

Visit Grandma or don't: I think you already made that one.

Discuss this subject with the management or don't: I hope you already made that one. I doubt that there is anything to be gained, and there might be much to be lost, by said discussion. Do you really want to talk him into putting up a sign? Do you really want him to be inspecting YOU?

Leave your gun in the car when visiting: Not such a bad choice, but entails handling a gun, perhaps even surreptitiously. That alone sounds a bit dangerous to me. It also means you won't have a gun while inside, even though others might.

Carry the gun inside or don't: Possibly illegal, although it sounds unlikely so far. You probably need to check into that. You may be afraid that the management won't like it, but were you planning on telling them? Do you carry your gun openly? I don't understand how he would know. Really, the same goes for your grandmother. If you don't burden her with the knowledge that you are carrying (if that is the case), then it is not her problem.

In the end, I begin to wonder whether you really had a question. You either carry the gun in, or you leave it in the car. YOUR choice, and you get the results.

George S.
November 17, 2004, 10:43 AM
I think the first thing you need to find out is whether or not a private business must post a sign prohibiting weapons in the building or on the property. If state law allows for a prohibition like this and a sign must be posted, then the home would have to comply with the law for their rules to be "effective". If it's a "house rule", then I would think that the residents and guests must be made aware of the policy by some sort of written notice, either as a handout or part of a signed agreement.

I can understand a rule about residents not having weapons as there could be instances where somebody with some form of diminished capacity or mental issues could cause harm or even kill someone. It keeps the other residents safe as well as the staff.

IMHO, if the rule against carrying on the premises may cause your grandmother to have problems or even the possibility of her being evicted because of your carrying, then you need to decide what is best. If it was me, I would leave a carry weapon locked up in the car while I was visiting. You would have to weigh the chances of being in a situation where a carry gun was needed against the kind of place you are in.

You didn't mention how you carry so if it's a holster under a shirt or jacket, how about changing to say an ankle holster or maybe a fanny pack. If the room is warm and you want to take a coat off, there would be no problems with displaying.

HankB
November 17, 2004, 11:41 AM
I plan on calling the manager and talking to him about this, I am not even really clear if this is meant for residents only or everyone. There are no signs posted anywhere,Texas concealed carry law is very specific about where one may not carry, and is very specific about what kind of sign must be posted if a private business wants to prohibit concealed carry - I strongly suggest you look at what the law in YOUR state says.

I won't advocate breaking a LAW. If the assisted living facility has RULES that are not backed up by LAW, I'd ignore their silly little RULES and continue to carry concealed.

And bearing in mind the adage "Concealed means CONCEALED" I would under no circumstances draw attention to myself by speaking to the management about this. (Heck, if they're really hoplophobes, they might decide to take it out on Grandma.)

Bubbles
November 17, 2004, 12:22 PM
Check your grandma's rental agreement and your local laws. In Virginia a landlord may not prohibit a tenant from keeping firearms on property being rented.

Battlespace
November 17, 2004, 12:33 PM
We FIL had talked several times of ending it all when my MIL was diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease and he became more and more frail and had ot rely on others for their care. He had a Rem 870 and a M1911A1. He was showing them to me one night and was too weak to pull the slide back on the 1911. We let him keep it, but removed the 870 from the house. They have ADT, a full-time live-in caregiver so they are not in much danger, there is a city LEO two houses down and a state trooper three houses past the city cop.

WT
November 17, 2004, 01:59 PM
Stick up for YOUR rights! What do you care if your grandmother gets thrown out on the street because of YOUR transgression.

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