Are the "Dems" getting it?


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November 16, 2004, 11:31 PM
The link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138762,00.html) Reid's Ideals Born in Small-Town Nevada
Tuesday, November 16, 2004

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats elected their new leadership team Tuesday, placing at the top a devout Mormon who grew up in a dusty mining town in southern Nevada.

Harry Reid (search) is the first pro-life Democratic leader since 1989. In the next Congress, he will lead the smallest Democratic Senate caucus since before the Great Depression — one that has to choose between cooperation or confrontation. Reid has said he can handle both.

"My father never graduated from eighth grade, my mother never graduated from high school," Reid said. "I was born in a little place in the southern tip of the state of Nevada, a place called Searchlight, Nevada. And it's true that I was raised in a house that had no indoor toilet, had no hot water."

Reid's father worked the mines in Searchlight, a town that still has a population of about 1,000. His mother washed laundry.

"We had at one time when I was growing up there, 13 houses of ill repute. And that kind of answers the question whose wash my mother did.

"If I can make it, America, anyone can," said Reid, who still lives in Searchlight.

Little more than a truck stop now, Searchlight has seen its mining shacks replaced by mobile homes. But residents say the town still lives by the blue collar values on which it was built.

"Our parents were hard rock miners. It was a very hard existence. We didn't realize it. We were happy," said Reid's childhood friend Mary Ann McInnis.

As a young man, Reid worked the mines, shoveling rocks into ore carts alongside his father, who committed suicide when he became physically unable to work.

Reid put himself through law school working as a U.S. Capitol policeman. Later, he married his high school sweetheart and entered politics. First, he served as a small town city attorney, then a Nevada state lawmaker. At age 31, he became the Silver State's youngest lieutenant governor before heading back to Washington, D.C., to serve in the House and Senate.

Reid's politics are tough to nail down, but supporters say he maintains those blue collar values bred into him in Searchlight. A strong union Democrat, he is a liberal spender. A vocal opponent of the Yucca Mountain (search) nuclear waste depository, his strong environmental record is tempered by his support for mining. He believes strongly in gun rights.

Reid is an adept inside player. He was crucial to the successful conversion of formerly Republican Sen. Jim Jeffords (search), who became an independent in spring 2001, giving Democrats majority control until 2002. Reid gave up a key committee chairmanship that Jeffords won after defecting from the GOP.

Reid's most recent challenger, Richard Ziser, who was roundly defeated in this year's race, said Reid's not as soft as some would portray him to be.

"He not only is crafty, but some people refer to him as, from a political point of view, as vindictive," Ziser said.

As a Mormon, Reid opposes some abortion rights, the first pro-life Democratic leader since West Virginia's Robert Byrd (search) 15 years ago.

"We're concerned that he is an anti-abortion senator. You know, this is a personal view that he has. We're also hopeful, however, that he will not confuse his personal view with policy," said NOW Vice President Olga Vives.

But Weekly Standard Executive Editor Fred Barnes said he questions Reid's "pro-life" label. Barnes said Reid supported the so-called partial birth abortion bill, which banned late term abortions, and the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which calls it a separate crime when a fetus is killed when its mother is attacked.

But, he added, Reid opposes legislation that restricts funding for the U.N. Population Fund by prohibiting the use of U.S. money for women who want to have abortions overseas.

"He really doesn't deserve being called a pro-lifer, which is someone who believes that abortion should be banned or at least that Roe v. Wade should be overturned," Barnes said. "I don't think he's pro-life, period."

Reid faces a daunting task on Capitol Hill, and that includes finding out whether he is in charge or if former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, who returns as the senator from Massachusetts, will compete to be the prominent voice of the party.

"We are looking for John Kerry to find what he wants to do," Reid said.

Kerry told FOX News affiliate WFXT that he intends to carve out a prominent role.

"I'm going to continue to fight for the same issues I fought for in this campaign. I will offer leadership on a national basis to stand up for those things that 57 million-plus Americans voted for," Kerry said.

Reid will also head a leadership team made up of Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan. The three senators defy the party's current bicoastal stereotype.

"He fights for Democratic positions, including those he disagrees with, and the number two and number three Democrats who were selected today in the leadership are all very liberal Democrats," said Washington Post columnist and FOX News contributor Jeff Birnbaum.

"If these moderate views are seen as more compromising with the Bush administration, then I don't think he's going to get very far," Birnbaum said.

But with his ranks depleted, Reid may find himself in a position to be more compromising than his predecessor, Tom Daschle, who lost his re-election bid to Republican Senator-elect John Thune, in part by being portrayed as an obstructionist.

"I always would rather dance than fight, but I know how to fight," Reid said.

"He is not going to abandon his core values nor will he abandon those values for the sake of partisan politics," said former campaign staffer Billy Vacilliadis. "If the president is right, and Harry Reid believes the president is right, and it is good for the country, he will support the president. He's never had trouble reaching across the aisle."

Click in the box near the top of the story to watch a report by FOX News' William La Jeunesse.




How pro-gun is he?

Is this "really" an improvement over Daschel?

If he "really" is pro-gun that's good for us. BUT, it concerns me about what the Dems are up to. :scrutiny:

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Stevie-Ray
November 16, 2004, 11:50 PM
You'd have to be careful. The Dems are a crafty lot. They know that gun rights have cost them at least one election and several seats. They're going to learn at least to give the impression that they're turning the corner. Then they'll hit us when we're at our most vulnerable; when the most moderate of us are switching sides.

Preacherman
November 17, 2004, 12:26 AM
Watch his words and actions concerning judicial nominations. That will tell us a whole lot more about him... :scrutiny:

Standing Wolf
November 17, 2004, 12:29 AM
A strong union Democrat, he is a liberal spender. A vocal opponent of the Yucca Mountain (search) nuclear waste depository, his strong environmental record is tempered by his support for mining. He believes strongly in gun rights.

He's either schizophrenic or still an adolescent.

hubel458
November 17, 2004, 12:34 AM
Dems are trying to snooker us. Reid is worse than Dashole on
most issues, but he doesn't have the abrasive manner that
draws attention to it. He is too greenie, and antigun in his
previous actions that I have seen.He supports a few mines(big) in
his state(campaign money), but sure has hurt other endeavers in the west with his support of greenie screwball ideas..Ed.

Bartholomew Roberts
November 17, 2004, 09:56 AM
Check out Reid's past voting history... he may not often vote anti on high-profile anti-gun legislation; but he has a ton of anti-gun votes on smaller bills that didn't go anywhere. He is better than Daschle on guns but not by a lot.

RangerHAAF
November 17, 2004, 10:24 AM
They(Dems) still think that it was just religious voting Christians that put the Republicans over the top. They couldn't be further off the mark. The main base that keeps Republicans in power is gun owning voters.

Jerry Falwell and Ralph Reid can bask in the glow of being electoral king makers but the truth is that they benefitted from a simple question that was asked in 11 states. The question was whether or not marriage should be between a man and a woman? Seems like simple straight forward question with a simple answer. The average Joe on the street could not care one way or the other but in getting the above question on the ballot the leftist media is now portraying middle America as a bunch of gay-bashing, religious homophobes; and now the Dems are trying to figure out how to start sounding sincere and paying lip service to Christian values.

It's not going to work. The voting public knows what they are and what they would like to do if they ever get back in power.

hso
November 17, 2004, 10:33 AM
GOA gave him an F.

fish2xs
November 17, 2004, 01:40 PM
READ ABOUT REID

Robert Bluey of Human Events has written a story on what the nation can expect from incoming Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) which includes this quote from yours truly, based upon my first-hand experience dealing with the man when I was living in Las Vegas: “This guy (Reid) will talk a good (bi-partisan) game, but he is as partisan as they get and just as mean. No one should be mistaken about that nice, quiet demeanor of Reid's. He can really lull you into a sense of security, but he'll turn around and bite you really fast."

Read the full article at: http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5755 :scrutiny:

BigG
November 17, 2004, 02:15 PM
Anybody with a D behind their name is either an opportunist, dishonest, or both. You can't trust any of them [period]

hillbilly
November 17, 2004, 02:31 PM
Just listen to any Dem strategist.

Listen to James Carville. Listen to Terry McAuliffe. Listen to George Stephanopolous.

Every single one of them is saying the exact same thing.

They all say Dems need to change the way their ideas are PACKAGED.......


None of them are saying Dems need to change their ideas.............


Same crap. Different day.

hillbilly

Dbl0Kevin
November 17, 2004, 02:41 PM
Just listen to any Dem strategist.

Listen to James Carville. Listen to Terry McAuliffe. Listen to George Stephanopolous.

Every single one of them is saying the exact same thing.

They all say Dems need to change the way their ideas are PACKAGED.......


None of them are saying Dems need to change their ideas.............


Same crap. Different day.

hillbilly

Only problem is the dems really don't HAVE any ideas. They simply want power and will do or say whatever is popular in the latest gallup poll in order to gain that power. Fortunately it seems that a good number of people are FINALLY realizing this and seeing them for the phonies that they are.

2nd Amendment
November 17, 2004, 04:37 PM
No, the Dems aren't "getting it". In fact, they are preparing to marginalize themselves even more. They have, at all levels, convinced themselves they are of a superior intelligence and they lost, yet again, because the US is controlled by stupid people. Thus they must educate us...and failing that, manipulate us. Neither is easy to do when you have totally underestimated your opponent in the first place.

As for Reid? Less than no effect.

squadfounder
November 17, 2004, 05:30 PM
When it comes to gun legislation, dems are like food in the grocery store. Every year it seems you get less product for your money, but they put it in a flashier box and stamp "New and Improved" on it. It will fool those who are won over by visuals and don't read the facts (too many people) But those of us who look closely just feel more cheated. Dems still don't seem to get that we want substance, not spin

Bartholomew Roberts
November 17, 2004, 06:32 PM
No, the Dems aren't "getting it". In fact, they are preparing to marginalize themselves even more. They have, at all levels, convinced themselves they are of a superior intelligence and they lost, yet again, because the US is controlled by stupid people. Thus they must educate us...and failing that, manipulate us.

Odd that such smart people seem to have such a difficult time manipulating us poor rubes...

Waitone
November 17, 2004, 06:44 PM
Same toothpaste, different tube.

He would not be elected Minority (sounds great!) Leader if he wasn't a screaming partisan. Democrats need to recase themselves, but Harry Reid ain't the one to do it. A Zel Miller or Sam Nunn or even a Hubert Humphrey is a great place to start.

Monkeyleg
November 17, 2004, 07:39 PM
Sorry to veer this thread, but the story reminded me that Kerry is returning to the senate.

If you were to spend a year searching for a new job, and only showed up a few days during that period at your current job, do you think your boss would say, "hey, John! Welcome back!" Or would you be fired?

And what is it with Nevada? Does the very southern part of the state rule the entire state? Seems like the last place you'd find liberal politicians.

Missouri Mule
November 18, 2004, 09:17 AM
Getting it?.....NO!


Faking it.....Yes!!!!! :banghead:

Brett Bellmore
November 18, 2004, 09:36 AM
If, when they need it, they can get even an NRA board member like Dingel to vote for a gun ban, you'd have to be a fool to trust any Democrat to be reliably pro-gun. Essentially all of them are either openly anti-gun, covertly anti-gun, or will put party ahead of the 2nd amendment, if it's demanded of them.

redhead
November 18, 2004, 11:10 AM
Hillbilly is correct. The "talking points" I'm still hearing coming out of the mouths of the talking heads are the same - They need to clarify their issues, they need to start talking more about God and their values. They truly don't get it - I heard and understood their issues, and I ain't buying. They can blab about God and their family values, but I'm not buying that, either. As long as they push issues like more gun control and extreme environmental positions and the like, they can look forward to losing more elections

wingman
November 18, 2004, 11:34 AM
They have a tough job repackaging socialism so it looks good. :barf:

RangerHAAF
November 18, 2004, 02:37 PM
They keep talking about people not getting their message. We've heard their message L/C since 1994 and understood them perfectly. They don't seem to hear our message that we don't to have any part of their sniveling whining philosophy; that we just want to be left alone to live our lives as eventfully or uneventfully as possible without being forced to comply with their socialist vision of what they think this country should look like.

Enough is enough; for me anyway.

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