Dr. Condoleezza Rice's view of gun rights.


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bg
November 18, 2004, 12:16 PM
Pretty interesting..
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWSV5/storyV5RICE1117W.htm

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itgoesboom
November 18, 2004, 12:35 PM
During the bombings of the summer of 1963, her father and other neighborhood men guarded the streets at night to keep white vigilantes at bay. Rice said her staunch defense of gun rights comes from those days. She has argued that if the guns her father and neighbors carried had been registered, they could have been confiscated by the authorities, leaving the black community defenseless.

Very intresting. She gets a thumbs up from me.

I.G.B.

Rebar
November 18, 2004, 12:44 PM
As Secretary of State, she'll have no impact on the issue either way.

alan
November 18, 2004, 12:46 PM
Question that might be asked is as follows, or could be.

Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter, in this case "Rockette"? Frankly, I doot know, though time will likely tell.

ponyexpress
November 18, 2004, 12:49 PM
Would she be the one to send a representative to the U.N. conference on small arms?

ID_shooting
November 18, 2004, 12:55 PM
Just solidfies my position of Condi Vs. Hillary in 08

BigG
November 18, 2004, 01:09 PM
I remember reading this several years ago. She's got my support! :cool:

DRZinn
November 18, 2004, 01:18 PM
Rice for AG, not SecState!

BeLikeTrey
November 18, 2004, 01:19 PM
We have a pro-gun, black, republican, woman, who has some political clout and I can see actually having somewhat of a chance at the Whitehouse in a forseeable future. Not necessarily in '08, unless she participates in something big that gets her even more notoriety. I can see her running eventually with moderate to huge success. I have alot of respect for this woman and I think with her, stereotypes and certain flawed views will be exposed and wither in the light of day. I like her can you tell? :D

rick_reno
November 18, 2004, 01:44 PM
As Secretary of State, she'll have no impact on the issue either way.

It's been reported that she has a very close relationship with Bush - so it's possible her views on this subject could influence him.

itgoesboom
November 18, 2004, 01:58 PM
Rick is right.

She is, from what I have heard, Bush's closest advisor.

Honestly, I have a feeling that Cheney is going to resign in a couple years, if things are going well for Bush's 2nd term, and Condi will replace him, so that she will be in a good position for '08.

Just my prediction, if things go well in the next two years.

I.G.B.

tulsamal
November 18, 2004, 02:08 PM
I've sent this link to several friends to check out. Rice is about to turn 50 years old and she has a better resume that me and everybody I know put together! How did one woman squeeze so much education and work history into such a short life?! I guess it is true that she is a "workaholic."

Check it out but be prepared to feel inadequate!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html

Gregg

GrayBear
November 18, 2004, 02:35 PM
She has a "handy for us" attitude when the UN's global gun-grab is presented within the next two years.

A point: I'm starting a small campaign to see her referred to as Dr. Rice. How many references to "Hank" Kissinger have you ever read in the liberal press or heard on the TV News?

For a person who has earned a PhD and is going to be Secretary of State, using a cute nickname seems something of a put-down.

JMHO,

GrayBear

Sam
November 18, 2004, 03:00 PM
Thank you GreyBear,
Dr. Rice it should be. I believe she is due that courtesy.

From what I have seen, we should go out of our way to support the lady.
I think she is good for the country. He childhood and family experiences seem to have left her with a proper orientation and her influence on President Bush should be very positive in that regard.

Sam

Dave R
November 18, 2004, 03:13 PM
Honestly, I have a feeling that Cheney is going to resign in a couple years, if things are going well for Bush's 2nd term, and Condi will replace him, so that she will be in a good position for '08.

Wow, interesting theory. That would leave her very well positioned to run in 2008.

papaone
November 18, 2004, 04:55 PM
Rice kicks butt and takes names. :D :D

bg
November 18, 2004, 05:22 PM
She has a "handy for us" attitude when the UN's global gun-grab is presented within the next two years.

A point: I'm starting a small campaign to see her referred to as Dr. Rice. How many references to "Hank" Kissinger have you ever read in the liberal press or heard on the TV News?

For a person who has earned a PhD and is going to be Secretary of State, using a cute nickname seems something of a put-down.

JMHO,

GrayBear

You're right but all I can do is change it a lil bit. I guess a Mod will have to
change it more so..

oldfart
November 18, 2004, 05:45 PM
With all the acedemic qualifications she has, together with her political savvy, she's also a baseball fan. What more could America ask?

OF
November 18, 2004, 05:58 PM
Biography of Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/images/100-DrRice-S161-31-th.jpg

Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.

July 2004

Standing Wolf
November 18, 2004, 06:05 PM
She's apparently not a R.I.N.O. How do I act?

OF
November 18, 2004, 06:06 PM
A Rumsfeld/Rice ticket would be a dream come true. Islamists would just give up and kill themselves on the spot. Poor lefties would flee to Greenwich Village and rich ones would bee-line it to their therapists offices.

I can just see the board members of the NAACP going into apoplectic shock trying to wrap their brains around that one until their heads explode like that guy in Scanners.

Imagine the news conferences. Happy happy, joy joy! :)

- Gabe

AZRickD
November 18, 2004, 09:00 PM
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will080700.asp

The GOP of Powell And Rice


http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- IN A PLEASANTLY meandering conversation over lunch in San Francisco last summer, Condoleezza Rice, then still provost of Stanford but already unofficially what she now is officially, George W. Bush's senior foreign policy adviser, was asked her thoughts about gun control. "I am," she answered crisply, "a Second Amendment absolutist." Growing up in Birmingham, Ala., in the early 1960s, when racial tensions rose, there were, she said, occasions when the black community had to exercise its right to bear arms in self-defense, becoming, if you will, a well-regulated militia.

Shanghai McCoy
November 18, 2004, 09:04 PM
The more I read and learn about this woman the more I admire her...I think she would make a fine President.

Selfdfenz
November 18, 2004, 09:39 PM
Rumi/Rice.....Rice/Rumi.....it's enough to make me leave the Constitution Party and go Republican again.

After hearing the Bushs loose their minds in Birmingham today I'm bout to agree with the Dems. We do need regime change, just not in the direction the Dems are hoping for.


S-

CarlS
November 18, 2004, 09:46 PM
Dr Rice would get my vote. She may be the only one who could beat Hillary. The liberal media has already started in on her. She is a big threat to the Democratic Party base. Imagine, making wise personal decisions, getting and education and improving your lot in life without relying on the government - and all that as a female minority! That is definitely a threat to the Dems.

DRZinn
November 18, 2004, 10:06 PM
Wreaks havoc on the assumption that minorities can't get ahead without government assistance.

OF
November 18, 2004, 10:11 PM
If you believe the polls Brit Hume had on the tube tonight, just about anyone would beat Hillary. Although I only saw Giulliani and McCain v. Hillary. She got squashed by something like 20 or 30 points in both hypotheticals.

I wonder what those numbers would look like with a Rumsfeld or Rice v. Hillary. Probably alot closer. Everybody loves a RINO :rolleyes:

- Gabe

Selfdfenz
November 18, 2004, 11:08 PM
Today on a local AM station they were discussing a poll outlining which Republicans, if running today against Hilly, would beat her and by how much.

Rudy
McCain
Arnold

All would beat her.

Funny thing is the poll included no conservative Reps, just RINOs.

Someone please convince me there is not already a "vast left wing media spin conspiracy" to put Rudy or McCain in the front runner position for the Rep nominee in 2008. All I hear is Rudy this, and Rudy that...... :barf:

S-

AZRickD
November 19, 2004, 12:25 AM
Selfdefnz,

Sorry, buddy. To do so would be an act of trickery.

The media will try. But that doesn't mean they will succeed. McCain tried and failed to make it through the GOP primary system. Rudy is pro-abor--er--choice and will likely get hammered in debates and grassroots activism.

The GOP has several possibilities for candidates in 2008, but they will have to start in 2005 to get national name recognition and funding/party backing. They will also have to decide if they really, really want it.

Read the Newsweek issue (last week) which had reporters inbedded into the campaigns all last year (vow of secrecy until after the election). In it, well before his melt-down in the Iowa Caucuses, Howard Dean, leading in the polls, broke down and sobbed to his overly-caffeinated campaign manager, internet guru Joe Trippie, that he, (Dean) didn't really want to be president. He just wanted to push issues, like helath care, etc.

Jeez.

It's going to be an interesting four years.

Rick

SMLE
November 19, 2004, 12:48 AM
This is how oliphant caricatures Dr. Rice.

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/po/2004/po041117.gif


He makes me sick. :cuss: :barf:

F4GIB
November 19, 2004, 01:05 AM
As Secretary of State, she'll have no impact on the issue either way.

Oh yes she will.

The US has been single-handedly blocking the UN (Canada, Australia, Norway) efforts to control the "trade in small arms." Every gun I own would be within the UN definition and thus in danger.

Brian Dale
November 19, 2004, 02:09 AM
Thanks, bg. I'm finding that my admiration increases with each new piece of information I read about Dr. Rice.

(on titles: I still claim my privilege as a citizen to refer to the President, either fondly or in annoyance, as "Dubya" :) )

alan
November 19, 2004, 02:30 AM
Re Rice and Kissinger, Kissinger story went as follows.

Word got out of his appointment as Sec. of State, which brought the media types running. They asked, among other things, about how they might refer to him. Would Dr. Secretary or Mr. Secretary be more appropriate. Kissinger supposedly smiled, and after a moment had passed, offered the following.

Ladies and gentlemen, there is no sense standing on cerimony, YOUR EXCELLENCY will do just fine.

Selfdfenz
November 19, 2004, 11:02 AM
AZRick

"Rudy is pro-abor--er--choice"

Nice THR-style-catch there Rick
:D

Somehow the Dean story strikes me as 100% factual. He impressed me as a man that never really had is daily Prozac dosage dialed in correctly, medical doctor tho he be.;)

He will, however, in my Republican opinion, make a (capital E) Excellent DNC chair.

S-

CarlS
November 19, 2004, 02:42 PM
Rudy is a northeasterner, fairly liberal, whose track record on 2A rights is questionable. He would probably be a good #2 on a ticket.

Wildalaska
November 19, 2004, 02:52 PM
Your gonna find that Rudy is a centrist on gun control, like the majority of the electorate

WildbreakfastcroissantAlaska

Cosmoline
November 19, 2004, 03:45 PM
Sec. of State can be the de facto no. 2 position in the White House, actually. There is enormous potential power in the chair if the President backs the Sec's position, as he will in this case. I don't know how much the RKBA is going to come up, but simply having someone with that worldview in such a position makes me more comfortable. The RKBA, after all, isn't about firearms but about how you view government's relationship with the people.

Rebar
November 19, 2004, 03:49 PM
The US has been single-handedly blocking the UN (Canada, Australia, Norway) efforts to control the "trade in small arms."
I stand corrected.

Fletchette
November 19, 2004, 04:03 PM
As a gun-owning, bigoted, knuckle-dragging, redneck hick who doesn't live in The Big City and isn't as edumacted as those intellectual liberals, I'd vote for her!

sundog
November 19, 2004, 04:58 PM
Itgoesboom is not the only one who has been thinking about a VP Cheney resignation about two years into the second term. I have been thinking the same thing for a couple months now. Another little stint with the heart doctors, he packs it in, and everyone is a happy camper. Sure would be a setup for the top spot. Dr Rice could be good, but does she really have the hootspah? You know, that dynamic, out in the public, chirisma that just makes people want to hurry to get to the polls to cast a vote. I'm sure some libs see Ms Hillary that way. Not being electable doesn't mean you can't do the job. Just means you can't get elected. As far as having her at head of state, maybe she can have an impact on the UN small arms conference. We certainly do not need the rest of the world telling us that the second amendment is not a good thing. sundog

OF
November 19, 2004, 05:14 PM
Even if she lost, it would be worth it just for the debates. :)

- Gabe

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