Question about buying a rifle....


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clipse
November 18, 2004, 01:00 PM
My dad has an arrest warrent for him because he didn't show up to court. He had to be in court on a felony charge. He doesn't know I know this but me working in a Courthouse, its hard for me not to know. That and CaseNet help out alot.

That being said, my little brother(turning 10) wants a .22 rifle for his birthday. My dad wants to get him one. Will the arrest warrent show up on the NCIC (sp?) check?

I'm taking my little brother shooting this weekend and drilling a few rules into his head. I'm gonna do the same with my dad. My dad has never been into firearms.

BTW: The warrent was issued on 6-22-2004 and it a felony charge of writing bad checks >$500

Opinions? Thoughts?

clipse

PS: I'm nothing like my dad.

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Hawkmoon
November 18, 2004, 02:23 PM
1. Your father should speak with an attorney (if he hasn't already)

2. Your father should NOT attempt to buy any firearms unless and until this has been resolved and his record is clean.

clipse
November 18, 2004, 02:25 PM
So what are his/our options for my little brothers birthday? We are wanting to get a rifle to start him out on. Obviously its not going to be his. Just one he can shoot when he wants with adult supervision.

clipse

BryanP
November 18, 2004, 02:26 PM
If you can do so buy it yourself. If your dad wants to supply you with the cash that's fine. It will be your rifle kept in custody for your brother until he is old enough.

itgoesboom
November 18, 2004, 02:33 PM
You father won't be able to purchase the rifle. If he tries, he will be denied, and probably arrested on the spot.

Your father will also run into problems if he takes your brother shooting. I don't think someone with warrants out is allowed to be in possesion of a firearm.

Also, if your father is convicted, chances are he will never be able to own, purchase posses, or handle a firearm, EVER.

I.G.B.

clipse
November 18, 2004, 02:37 PM
Thats kinda what I thought. Thanks for the info.

clipse

Carlos
November 18, 2004, 10:07 PM
Stay far away from this idea.

Your DAD needs to clear things up. I don't understand the not showing up on the Felony Charge Part.

You buy the gun. :)

TearsOfRage
November 18, 2004, 10:14 PM
Get him a good pellet gun. NOT a cheap, inaccurate one.

Clean97GTI
November 19, 2004, 03:50 AM
Having a warrant out on him could make him a fugitive from justice. That very question is asked of you when you fill out Form 4473.

clipse
November 19, 2004, 10:05 AM
Well, I showed up at the gunshop last night to give hime some options but his wife came as well. I showed him the gun I thought would be best for Cealan. A CZ 452 Scout rifle in .22 lr. He looked at it for a couple of minutes and I showed him a couple of others. The conversoin went like this:

Me: This is the rifle I would get for Cealan, its the rifle I am going to get soon for when I have kids.

Dad: This is nice. Whats it called again?

Me: A CZ 452 Scout.

Evil stepmom: And this is the one YOUR going to get?

Me: Yup as right after a .45 and snubnosed revolver.

Dad: (looking at evil stepmom) lets get it.

Evil stepmom: Right now?(suprised)

Dad: Why not, theres no paydays between now and his birthday.

Me: It'll take them a few minutes to fun the background check.

Dad: (eyes completely changing, hands money to evil stepmom) Here go ahead and buy it.

Evil stepmom: (to dad) Why don't you do it? My license is in the car.

Dad: Well lets have Nate do it. (I'm Nate)

Me: http://mindscraps.com/s/cwm/cwm/angryfire.gif HELL NO!!! If its going to be at your house then one of you two need to do it. The only way I'm doing it is if it stays at my house. http://mindscraps.com/s/cwm/cwm/angryfire.gif

Evil stepmom: I'll go get my license.

End scene


At this point I am furious that my dad would put me in such a position. He didn't know that I know about his warrent or anything else for that matter. So he would have put me in harms way without telling me. What a dad, huh? I didn't say anything because after that I wanted to see how it was going to play out. If it weren't for my little brother I wouldn't care what happens to him. I also was curious whether or not my stepmom knew about the warrent. I don't think she does. I didn't handle it right. I should have said something out right whether my stepmom was there or not. I'm not happy with him and even more unhappy with myself.


clipse

George S.
November 19, 2004, 10:55 AM
Based on the "conversation", I would tell you to stay as far away from this as you can. With the rilfe at your dad's house, it will be a problem if the police show up with an arrest warrant for him and discover the rifle.

I would also tell your dad that you know about the outstanding warrant from third-hand information. No reason to reveal that you have first-hand knowledge as that can get you in trouble at work.

It's apparent that you don't care for your step-mom but her buying the rifle may cause even more problems if she doesn't know about this warrant. She sounds like she is somewhat anti-gun and probably doesn't like the idea of having a gun in the house, much less anyone in the family owning them.

Have a sit-down with your dad outside of his wife's presense and get this worked out. The rifle needs to be removed from his house immediately. The warrant issue also needs to be adressed now. With an arrest warrant out, he will will be put in jail and you'll have to bail him out. The original charge should have been dealt with immediately.

clipse
November 19, 2004, 11:15 AM
Have a sit-down with your dad outside of his wife's presense and get this worked out. The rifle needs to be removed from his house immediately. The warrant issue also needs to be adressed now. With an arrest warrant out, he will will be put in jail and you'll have to bail him out. The original charge should have been dealt with immediately

I'm haveing lunch with him tomorrow before I take my little brother to teach him gun safety and how to properly shoot and care for firearms. My step mom will have my little brother at a backetball practice so she won't be there. I really wish I would have handled it defferently. I will make some suggestions to him. Hopefully he will take it to heart. I just need to find the right words.


It's apparent that you don't care for your step-mom but her buying the rifle may cause even more problems if she doesn't know about this warrant. She sounds like she is somewhat anti-gun and probably doesn't like the idea of having a gun in the house, much less anyone in the family owning them.


If thats the way I made it sound, I didn't mean to. She is actually very ok with have firearms in the house. Infact(another thing that worries me) they already have a few rifles for deer hunting even thought they haven't gone for years. I believe she is a fence sitter. She's ok with but completely for it.



clipse

George S.
November 19, 2004, 12:47 PM
Good to hear you're going to talk with your Dad and start to work out how to resolve his problem. If you step mom is OK with firearms in the home that's great too!! But should your dad be convicted on that charge, he can very well lose the right to possess any weapons at all. I would recommend asking him if you could remove all of the rifles to your place for safekeeping.

You should probably get some advice from an attorney regarding the rifles at your dad's place. He will more than likely need an attorney to defend him in court and the best thing to do now is to be pro-active. If it was me, I would ask to take possession of all of the weapons so there is no chance that they might be seized if the police show up with the arrest warrant and they find the rifles in the home. They probably have no grounds for a search warrant for weapons but it's better at this point to remove them for safeguarding.

Good Luck!!

TearsOfRage
November 19, 2004, 01:00 PM
Ummm... am I missing something? It wasn't a straw purchase, since she bought it for the kid, not for your dad. Just make sure everyone knows that.

Now, once he's convicted (and preferably sooner) he'll need to get all the guns out of his house. I see no reason he can't just give them to you.

So, while it will be awkward to talk to him about this, but I don't see any other legal problems, besides the felony and the warrant of course.
I don't see how you could get in trouble over this.

MICHAEL T
November 20, 2004, 01:22 AM
He has outstanding warrant and you have't turned him in. I know that sounds bad but its your duty, To due the right thing and tell the police were to pick him up. Tuff Love. And yes I would do that to a member of my family and not think twice. Face the music and get it over with. It will be better for every one to settle this.

artherd
November 20, 2004, 12:56 PM
Get your dad a good attorney immediately. He can make this all go away.

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