Dr. Laura talking about Front Sight


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jimpeel
November 19, 2004, 04:12 PM
She is talking about how her son went to Front Sight and how he got crept on by a "bad guy" who played possum and then turned over and shot him. The instructor said "You know the Marine in Fallujah? Well, you're him, but you're dead."

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BigG
November 19, 2004, 04:36 PM
Sounds like Dr. Laura gets the concept. ;)

Warren
November 19, 2004, 05:05 PM
She didn't used to....I remember one show (The Wife listened all the damn time) she lectured a woman who had a gun and wanted to teach her kid to shoot.

That was a long time ago so someone must have set her srtaight since then.

Sleeping Dog
November 19, 2004, 05:24 PM
It would be nice if she "gets" it.

It could just be that she is ok with gun rights for the "worthy elite". What else was said in that segment?

As for that Marine, I have a feeling he may be sacrificed in some humbug display of justice to placate some mid-east leaders. I hope I'm wrong.

Regards.

sigmaman
November 19, 2004, 06:56 PM
absolutely no respect for the woman at all
the queen of clean has some interesting photos though

link removed by moderator. please check your PMs

Dave R
November 19, 2004, 07:17 PM
I'm not a big Dr. Laura fan, but I like a few of the things she says.

My wife was listening to her the other day during lunch. I overheard her talking to a mother, who didn't want her little girl playing "soldier."

Dr. Laura had a hard time getting her to explain why. Finally, she said "I don't want her to grow up thinking that killing people is a good thing.

Dr. Laura: "If they're terrorists, I think that's a damn good thing."

The fact that her son enlisted in the Marines and is soon to go over to Iraq probably has solidified her feelings on that subject.

rock jock
November 19, 2004, 07:39 PM
sigmaman,

You need to consult the board rules and remove that link pronto.

BTW, the fact that you have no respect for her makes me think she's pretty good at her job.

hvengel
November 19, 2004, 07:45 PM
She was an anti way back when but has changed her mind and is now pro gun. I donĀ“t agree with her on many things but I have to give her credit for at least being willing to listen to reason and then change her mind.

FPrice
November 19, 2004, 07:50 PM
Opinions about Dr. Laura vary. Generally people who feel "uncomfortable" with her message of personal responsibility tend not to like her.

I don't think she has ever pretended to be perfect but she seems to be doing a good job or trying to make up for whatever sins she has committed in the past.

I wish others could do the same.

2nd Amendment
November 19, 2004, 08:23 PM
I think the most interesting thing about Dr Laura, to me, is how she brings out things like Sigmaman. What, exactly, are those decades old photos supposed to have to do with her today? It seems that the left and various other hangers-on believe that because someone takes a clear stand on right and wrong they are not allowed to have EVER done anything wrong, or stupid, themselves.

Meanwhile these people's heros can get away with anything, since...what? They never stood for anything so there's no reason to expect better? :rolleyes: I think the hypocrisy here should be obvious...

As for Laura herself, she's stil clueless in general. She supports a NID, for one thing. OTOH she has made a learning journey regarding firearms and I'd guess she understands THIS concept very well.

bcbr
November 19, 2004, 08:37 PM
http://www.rense.com/politics5/schless.htm
I remembered reading this a while back hope it links
I like her she reads better than radio listening to me

HEiST
November 19, 2004, 09:19 PM
The Internet is the most recent and most powerful tool to be commandeered by the sick evildoers in our midst. It spreads the virus of hate and germs of pathology like wildfire around the world, infecting more and more people, especially our neglected and vulnerable youth. Many of the most recent horrendous crimes have been committed by jerks, scum, low-life's and dim bulbs who hang around the Internet because they have no life, fantasize about becoming heroes through hate, and are emboldened to act out by others in cyberspace who support them.

Even before the horror of the most recent attack on children in a Los Angeles Jewish center near my home, I was in the process of making up my mind to find a nice police officer or sheriff to teach me how to responsibly fire a gun. I can hardly believe I'm saying this, because I have been opposed to the idea that everyone should be free to bear arms. But the unpredictability of where danger strikes next, coupled with the frequency with which it happens, has led me to think that we "good guys" need to have more of the mentality of the beleaguered Israelis. And, of course, we need to have their attitude as well. No one is gun-happy over there. They don't show off, do stupid things.

I agree that everyone who carries a gun must be licensed and that the regulations should be very strict. In order to be allowed to carry a gun, I think we should have to pass a test to make sure we can take it apart, put it back together again, clean it, load it, unload it, etc. And we should have to pass a marksman's test to get the gun and periodic tests to be allowed to keep it.


Comment

From: ralph@TeamInfinity.com 10-4-99


RKBA = Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Look, I always thought Dr. Laura was an IDIOT, and I still do, but sometimes even idiots sometimes get lucky and say something right, even if for not all the right reasons. In typical skiziod fashion, she seems to need to TRASH the internet to somehow balance her new position on RKBA at the expense of patriots and strike a politically correct balance to fend off critics of her new position by saying, look, at least I am bashing the patriot community/militias, etc, and she then wraps herself in the Jewish Flag of so called "Israel", and grovels at their bravery for gun slinging in their stolen lands. [not that ours were not stolen as well]. Then with patent passive aggressive style she blathers her sorrow for having to come to this decision, as if apologizing is even necessary to exercise your inate rights to prepare for self defense.

So, all in all she deserves our appreciation for FINALLY waking up to the obvious, but our rebuke for trashing the media [internet] by which HER message/thoughts are in part spreading, as well as for trashing those who are using the same media to share their ideas and voice their opinions, thereby exercising their 1rst Amendment rights. It is amazing how people wake up to the Bill of Rights even though these rights were always here, and then the same people think it is all ala carte, pick and choose.

How pathetic. She seems to think it almost obligatory to trash AMERICAN Patriots, but grovel to the hooligans of so called "Israel". She offhandedly lumps militias in with psychopaths in her litany, supporting the denigration of American Patriots in what seems to be becoming almost obligatory and pavlovian for public leaders and commentators. As if only the chosen hooligans of "Israel" deserve to possess weapons, and only some chosen "ok" people in America deserve to possess weapons, but certainly not those internet patriots, only "good" people deserve to, not those who dont roll on their backs like the kicked spaniel and grovel to so called "Israel".

It has become a rite of passage to bash American Patriots, and then espouse their very ideals, which is some of the grossest HYPOCRISY I can imagine, and it almost makes me sick were it not for how obvious it is. But putting things into perspective, I know that America really is kind of a fiction and that all the founders were HYPOCRITES for the most part, slave holding idiots, and masons to boot, I know all this, but none of this effects what inate rights we all possess and always have, and Dr. Laura's change of heart on self defense and the fact that she expressed it publically is a 'net plus', pun intended, too bad she lacked the fortitude to resist the disgusting hypocritcal trashing of other people and mediums in the process. Our founders were hypocrits too, and at least they too expressed our inate rights publically.

The guy hits it dead on. DR. Laura is scum.

bcbr
November 19, 2004, 09:29 PM
Thanks Hiest ,I do not know how to copy and post like that. There is a lot more for me to learn on the puter than 1 finger typing and cliicking a mouse :cool:

AZRickD
November 19, 2004, 10:31 PM
Dr. Laura had an epiphany a few years ago... remember when the guy went into the Jewish Center and shot the place up? She was taken by the fact that the guy chose the one place where they wouldn't have the means or the inclination to fight back.

Pro RKBA ever since.

Darn, google is a powerful tool. I did a search on "Jewish Center" +shooting +"Dr. Laura" and I get the following:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/dr/laura092299.asp
It's time to bear arms
http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- I'M RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of a big change of attitude about a very important subject. And I know a lot of my readers and listeners to my radio program may be shocked. But people who have known me over time know that I'm someone who evolves in public. That is, when I start changing my mind about something or discover new information or some truth about my own life or life in general, I'm usually pretty straightforward about the process with my colleagues and my fans.
The first event that caused me to rethink my position on this topic was the shootings in Atlanta, where a man went into two office buildings and gunned down total strangers, then killed himself in his car later that day. I thought about the difference it might have made -- lives saved instead of lost -- if someone in one of those offices had been armed. The murderer might well have been foiled in his reign of terror before so many innocent people died.--snip--

HEiST
November 19, 2004, 10:54 PM
Azrick- what bcbr posted and that I commented on is from the same era.

Laura is believes in CCW for "special" people, who must jump through hoops of training and constant re-certification. :barf:

AZRickD
November 19, 2004, 11:38 PM
Yes, that is at the end of her article:

btw, the paragraph before this is where she talks about the "sick, evil doers" of the internet." But she is talking about those sites which spew "hate and germs of pathology," and I doubt if any here would assume that she was talking about us.

Anyway:
Even before the horror of the most recent attack on children in a Los Angeles Jewish center near my home, I was in the process of making up my mind to find a nice police officer or sheriff to teach me how to responsibly fire a gun. I can hardly believe I'm saying this, because I have been opposed to the idea that everyone should be free to bear arms. But the unpredictability of where danger strikes next, coupled with the frequency with which it happens, has led me to think that we "good guys" need to have more of the mentality of the beleaguered Israelis. And, of course, we need to have their attitude as well. No one is gun-happy over there. They don't show off, do stupid things.

I agree that everyone who carries a gun must be licensed and that the regulations should be very strict. In order to be allowed to carry a gun, I think we should have to pass a test to make sure we can take it apart, put it back together again, clean it, load it, unload it, etc. And we should have to pass a marksman's test to get the gun and periodic tests to be allowed to keep it.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't thought this all the way through. It's just that I'm getting more and more concerned about the direction in which our society is moving, and it's becoming clearer and clearer that we need protection from ourselves.

I know this shocks a whole lot of you. And I'm sorry.

Dr. Laura

artherd
November 20, 2004, 12:07 AM
I agree that everyone who carries a gun must be licensed and that the regulations should be very strict. In order to be allowed to carry a gun, I think we should have to pass a test to make sure we can take it apart, put it back together again, clean it, load it, unload it, etc. And we should have to pass a marksman's test to get the gun and periodic tests to be allowed to keep it.

To be perfectly honest, I haven't thought this all the way through.

Shoot, **I** think this is a good idea too! There are a lot of good reasons to insitiute a test/certification process for gun and other dangerous tool ownership!

Except that the government of any sort must have absolutely NO influence on any decision as to who keeps and bears arms, lest their power lead to corruption and their corruption lead to the deaths of millions.

No, the second concern outweighs the first in the end.

Dr. Laura at least seems to retain an open and thinking mind, and seems to also generally encourage personal responsability and self-reliance. I can dig that.

Wildalaska
November 20, 2004, 02:37 AM
If JC himslef came back to earth and listened to Dr Laura and her parade of dysfunctional human trash for 5 minutes he would run over to Ace Hardware for 10 penny nails and directions to the nearest Legion Encampment

WildhershowissickAlaska

sigmaman
November 20, 2004, 04:48 AM
shes right did a google search and found naked pictures of doctor laura

jimpeel
November 20, 2004, 05:04 AM
That was a long time ago so someone must have set her srtaight since then.

Yeah, Buford Furrow, Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooter. It was just down the street from the studio from which she broadcasts. Being a well known Jewess, he could have simply walked in, popped her and had a broadcast forum from which to spew his hatred.

Sergeant Bob
November 20, 2004, 08:14 AM
sigmamanshes right did a google search and found naked pictures of doctor laura
What exactly do some naked pictures of her taken in private by an old boyfriend (who published them to get attention for himself) from her younger days have to do with her stance on RKBA?

HEiSTThe guy hits it dead on. DR. Laura is scum.
You post a rant by some anti-semite yahoo, "ralph@TeamInfinity.com" (a true American patriot) who takes it awfully personal that she talks negatively about the spread of hate and pornography on the internet.
I would think someone would only be that upset about it if they thought she was talking about them. You seem awfully upset about it yourself.

Wildalaska If JC himslef came back to earth and listened to Dr Laura and her parade of dysfunctional human trash for 5 minutes he would run over to Ace Hardware for 10 penny nails and directions to the nearest Legion Encampment
I'm very disappointed to hear that kind of talk from
Wildcivilityisbestalaska.

Peet
November 20, 2004, 09:29 AM
Quote:

It seems that the left and various other hangers-on believe that because someone takes a clear stand on right and wrong they are not allowed to have EVER done anything wrong, or stupid, themselves.

End Quote

Like I always say; I *love* irony...

Peet

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
November 20, 2004, 09:33 AM
I'm very disappointed to hear that kind of talk from
Wildcivilityisbestalaska.

+1

Sleeping Dog
November 20, 2004, 09:52 AM
Some of the "less-than-high" road notes bring up a possibly good idea.

Since many attacks happen in the home in the middle of night, maybe we need a new shooting sport to reinforce skills: Moonlight Naked Practical Pistol. :)

As a side benefit, it might introduce shooting sports to the good folks in Berkely and other "blue" college towns.

Regards.

ksnecktieman
November 20, 2004, 10:07 AM
I am shocked that so many people here do not have a switch to turn their radio off. "HATE" a radio personality? I can find enough real live individuals to hate I do not have to hate someone for their race or religion or what they spout on the radio. If you do not like her broadcast, why not just turn it off?

It has been years since I heard her program. Could someone tell me breifly what subjects she focuses her program on?

I welcome her to the fold of believers in the RKBA, and we can work on her perception of "reasonable restrictions".

BryanP
November 20, 2004, 10:28 AM
When I used to spend a lot of time in my car for work I tried listening to her. I agreed with her some of the time and disagreed with her others. I find her annoying (although not as annoying as Limbaugh) and stopped listening long ago. However, the funniest and most insightful thing I've ever seen in reference to her can be found here:

Dear Dr. Laura ... (http://hbar.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/jens/text/msg00117.html)

(no, it's not pictures, it's not dirty, it's quite safe to click)

I'm glad she's come around at least part-way to the RKBA.

Art Eatman
November 20, 2004, 10:42 AM
The reason I don't listen to the Dr. Laura radio show is not Dr. Laura. It's the people who call in. I flat-out cannot stand to listen to people with those sorts of problems. For me, it would be extreme masochism. I've pretty much lived my life accepting responsibility for the consequences of my decisions and actions.

I don't see the point of bumrapping her for her past views on firearms. She's at least come part way toward our views. Why should we expect total conversion? And, practically overnight?

Is it not possible that over time as she learns more about the way we view the world, she could come further to share our views?

Seems to me that if the mood strikes, some of us could write gentle, persuasive letters about WHY we believe as we do about RKBA. Burford got her attention on the personal level. We can get her attention on the philosophical level.

I really think the fundamental concept of THR is better than namecalling...

Art

C96
November 20, 2004, 04:22 PM
Thanks Art, good words nicely done, thanks.

allan

SMMAssociates
November 20, 2004, 08:43 PM
I've been ignoring Dr. Laura for years.... My wife likes Oprah. I ignore her too....

However, I did see the pictures somewhere along the line. Cute kid then. :D Perhaps not the best thing in the world for her credibility, but I don't see any harm in it. The boyfriend probably should be flogged for letting those out into the world when he did, but that's another story.

An anchorperson for a local TV station managed to get herself into a wet T-shirt contest in FL some months ago. When the contest ended, she was naked. When the film turned up on the internet, she was forced to resign. Credibility was cited by the station management. Bad boob job is my opinion. IAC, she was told that the film would not be spread around, and was probably a bit drunk at the time, too. Bottom line is if anything exists that will come back and haunt you, it probably will. In her case she was in FL celebrating the successful conclusion to some serious health problems....

As to Dr. Laura's stance on CCW - "training", etc. - why not? The NRA has some great course outlines.... Although OH does allow some other sources, the one that's most popular around here (and is accepted by OH) is the NRA "Basic Pistol" course. I don't think it goes far enough, but it's great for "how to not kill the guy beside you on the range", and the rest of the course (from the State's script) is dedicated to "when to shoot". Beats the heck out of just going to the gun store and being told to keep the gun and the ammo separate in your trunk....

However, the ONLY Federal involvement in any of this needs to be a law that simply validates existing CHL's in all other states, like drivers licenses. PA, VT, and AK may have a problem with that, but I'm sure somebody would set up the same NRA course for a few bucks if necessary.

We certainly don't want the Feds defining the course, making the decisions, etc.

And, finally, straying back to topic, she's correct regarding the marine shooting the terrorist. I wasn't there, so I don't know exactly what happened, but that kid was in a position where a decision had to be made. It's really great for morale when the military and the media are all over somebody like that. :banghead:

sigmaman
November 20, 2004, 08:45 PM
wow share your views until she has another epiphany
if her son gets shot your going to hear a screaching annoying whiny bitchy anti war activist named dr. laura

Wildalaska
November 20, 2004, 09:06 PM
I'm very disappointed to hear that kind of talk from

Sorry to offend boys, but there are a few things in this world who get my goat...

1. Nazis
2. The French
3. People who bare their trashy souls and pathetic fantasies on shows such as Dr. Laura, Jerry Springer and Dr. Phil
4. Doctranaire lefties and righties
5.People that trash churches and religion


Other than that I am pretty civil

WildheartburntodayAlaska

sigmaman
November 20, 2004, 10:17 PM
what about people that try to push there religous view into the political arena
such as
1 school prayer
2 christian icons on public places
3 federal funding religous programs
4 abortion views
5 homosexuals

dont spout religous beliefs to me and i wont spout my anti religous beliefs to you
by posting a reference to a biblical verse i can reciprocate and quote anything i like

He executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued this order to all the people: "You must celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant." There had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign. Josiah also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2 Kings 23:20-25 NLT)

Art Eatman
November 21, 2004, 01:37 AM
I had higher hopes for this thread. I dunno perzackly whether to just go on and lock it down or start the PM thing to some folks about insults and personal attacks.

So for a limited few, I strongly suggest going back and read the rules of THR and think about them for a while before posting again.

Nuff fer now,

Art

jimpeel
November 22, 2004, 02:24 AM
Art,

I started this thread and you have my blessing to kill it now that some have driven it off the cliff into the sewage treatment plant.

4570Rick
November 22, 2004, 03:50 AM
In part, the anti's have been successful because, though they may disagree on verious social issues, they do not trash each other while spewing their anti gun crap.
We on the other hand seem to have no problem trashing someone who is pro RKBA but doesn't agree with our other opinions.
:(

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