CPL taken in a mugging?


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abaddon
November 19, 2004, 10:15 PM
Here's a problem I thought up that I've never seen discussed here. Say you get mugged when you are carrying and for some reason you deem it safer to hand over your wallet than pull your gun. If you keep your Concealed Pistol License in your wallet, as I do, now you are carrying a gun illegally.

Do you think the police would make an issue of it when you call them? Most likely the wallet would contain all your identification as well so even if the cop looks you up and sees you have a CPL he has no way of verifying your identity.

This seems to me a big enough issue to warrant carrying ones CPL, and possibly driver's license, in a separate place from your wallet.

What do you think?

Jeff

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armoredman
November 19, 2004, 10:43 PM
Same argument for LE carrying a separate badge wallet. Good idea, but don't leave home without it!

deej
November 19, 2004, 10:46 PM
Also a good argument for upping the situational awareness a touch when you are packing.

Moparmike
November 19, 2004, 11:39 PM
How hard (and how costly) would it be to make a slot on a holster or mag carrier the size of an ID card? Anyone think there would be a market for such a thing?


On the fabric ones, like Uncle Mikes, for instance, all you would have to do is sew a pouch and a flap on, with a velcro patch. But on leather, it would be a little more difficult, no? :confused:

abaddon
November 20, 2004, 12:01 AM
Moparmike,

I was thinking the same thing - I'd definitely buy a holster with a little pocket for it.

I do have my Driver's license number memorized, I guess I'll memorize my CPL number too.

Jeff

joab
November 20, 2004, 12:07 AM
This is why I don't carry my money in my wallet.
wallet is in back pocket money clip is in front left pants pocket.

With any luck
Toss the money out to the left side to divert his attention as ytou draw with your right.
Or in the winter shoot through your jacket pocket.

Greg L
November 20, 2004, 01:16 AM
Do you think the police would make an issue of it when you call them? Most likely the wallet would contain all your identification as well so even if the cop looks you up and sees you have a CPL he has no way of verifying your identity.

I'm not sure that I understand this. You're worried about being armed when you call the police to report that your wallet was stolen? At worst (at least around here from what I can tell) you would be disarmed for a while while the police verified that you were who you said you were & that you did indeed have a concealed carry permit. It isn't like you are going to be shot right there on the street because you didn't have a piece of plastic. If I couldn't relax him by rattling off any bit of personal information that he could pull up on his computer then I would head downtown where hopefully they would be able to pull up my picture along with everything else that I could verify.

Busting you for carrying w/o a permit would seem to be a nonissue because you called them about having your wallet (& your permit) stolen.

You really aren't planning on standing on the edge of the street with your pistol (NOW out of the holster :rolleyes: ) in hand using it to point out to the police that "He went thataway..." :what: .

Ryder
November 20, 2004, 03:57 AM
The issuance of the permit can be verified by the dispatcher. I wouldn't worry about being issued a citation for failing to possess it while I am reporting it stolen. Suppose anything is possible though.

The charge doesn't have very serious penalties here. It's like a short suspension the first and second time with a review the second time before re-autorization. Third time's the charm and would probably cause it to be revoked but it's not considered serious enough to warrant jail time or even fines that I'm aware.

I'd be surprised if anyone has ever been caught three times for that. I've only ever forgotten my wallet at home once in all the time I've had a permit.

jimpeel
November 20, 2004, 04:47 AM
How hard (and how costly) would it be to make a slot on a holster or mag carrier the size of an ID card? Anyone think there would be a market for such a thing?"Oh, my CPL, officer? Why its right here ... WHOA! WHOA! DON"T SHOOT! I'M COOL! Hail Mary, full of grace ..."

artherd
November 21, 2004, 04:28 AM
no

abaddon
November 21, 2004, 07:00 AM
Okay, I just looked it up. Even if the cop decides to enforce it in Washington State the maximum penalty is $250. I realize most cops wouldn't enforce it but you could run across an anti.

victory
November 22, 2004, 02:08 AM
always carry a throwaway. It would cost me more to replace all the stuff in my wallet than the amount of cash i normally carry on me.

musher
November 23, 2004, 10:26 PM
Reminds me of the time I ripped the axle out from under my boat trailer on the way to circle. Tipped the whole rig over on it's side in the ditch.

Long story short, by the time I got her back on her feet and the axle strapped to the frame, I had 9 helpers including 1 miner with about a 6' chainsaw and one very muddy state trooper (he helped roll the logs we used to right the trailer).

Well as we were getting all the jacks and ropes put away, the trooper looked down and the back of my boat trailer and said.

"Sir, I see you have a broken tail light on that trailer, as he fondled his citation pad..."

I think most enforcement folks might joke with you about a ticket, but I'd be astounded if someone wrote you for not having the permit that was in the wallet that was stolen

David Scott
November 25, 2004, 12:50 PM
I have a small, thin leather ID case in which I keep my driver's license and CCW permit. I keep it in my shirt pocket, so that if I'm stopped I do NOT have to reach for my right hip to get ID. My hand stays in plain sight, away from the 9mm in the IWB holster. This helps keep the LEO from over-reacting, especially if he's run my car plate and been notified that I have a permit.

This thread made me realize the added benefit of retaining my ID & permit even if I lose my wallet.

Phil Ca
November 27, 2004, 01:43 AM
You should always have a copy at home anyway. It might be A good idea to make a copy and carry it with your auto papers and insurance papers.

Has anyone ever used a CCW as a second ID to back up a driver's license???

reagansquad
November 27, 2004, 07:07 AM
In my VAST getting mugged experience (from Yakima :banghead: ), they've always been perfectly happy to just take my cash :fire: and weren't terribly interested in my wallet. Just stay off of MLK and away from Tacoma and you should be ok. ;)

And don't forget that the people who are REALLY robbing you live on Mercer Island.

abaddon
November 27, 2004, 08:15 PM
Reagansquad:

Exactly, although you can't shoot the Mercer Island robbers. At least not without invoking the "laws of nature and nature's god".

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