NPR's article about high cap and assault weapon 11/19/2004


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pbhome71
November 20, 2004, 03:11 PM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4178841

"...shove 100-round megazine into the stock, and the opponent's best strategy against this weapon is to run, even if he armed..."

"See if you can count the shots over the next 12 seconds...30 rounds, which leaves 70 in the megazine..."

Whatever!!!!

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RavenVT100
November 20, 2004, 03:20 PM
...flash suppressors which conceal the origin of firing...

Why is NPR allowed to get away with quoting propaganda like this?

Standing Wolf
November 20, 2004, 04:00 PM
Why is NPR allowed to get away with quoting propaganda like this?

Because the Republicans in Washington, D.C. don't have guts enough to pull public funding—your tax dollars and mine—from that leftist extremist propaganda organization.

straightShot
November 20, 2004, 05:14 PM
Click the "view gallery" link on the webpage. First, it shows someone shooting a pistol at an indoor range. Next, it shows a target with holes in it and states that it was hit at a 'football field's" length. I haven't been to a 100 yard indoor pistol range, yet. That must be one heck of a range. Amazing.

Brett Bellmore
November 20, 2004, 05:29 PM
If they actually cared if they were accurate, we could volunteer to fact check their stories for them.

CarlS
November 20, 2004, 06:12 PM
NPR and Public Television are socialist and anti 2A. I resent my tax dollars funding that bunch of jerks.

Mulliga
November 20, 2004, 06:26 PM
A very paranoid and poorly researched story. :mad: Also intensely misleading - definitely trying to confuse fully-auto M4s with M4geries. They don't even mention the NFA.

It was hilarious when they were talking about Uzis punching through drywall. Sure, I bet they could, but then so could my CZ-75, or my buddy's Glock 19, or my friend's Steyr M9, etc. :rolleyes:

Dbl0Kevin
November 20, 2004, 06:30 PM
It was hilarious when they were talking about Uzis punching through drywall. Sure, I bet they could, but then so could my CZ-75, or my buddy's Glock 19, or my friend's Steyr M9, etc.

Hell so could a pencil. ;)

Cacique500
November 20, 2004, 06:40 PM
He's from Texas as well...should know better! :cuss:

Hawkmoon
November 20, 2004, 08:52 PM
...flash suppressors which conceal the origin of firing...

Why is NPR allowed to get away with quoting propaganda like this?
Believe it or not, the day the ban ended I walked into my local gunshop just as a local TV news crew was interviewing the owner (also an NRA certified instructor), and at the moment I walked through the door he was showing them an AR-15 upper and explaining how the flash hider concealed the shooter from the enemy.

If our own can't get it right, how can we expect "the media" to get it right?

rritter
November 20, 2004, 08:56 PM
Actually, Red's Indoor Range in Austin, TX is a 100-yd range. If you want to shoot 100-yd pistol, it's available. Motorized target hangers let you pick your distance.

geekWithA.45
November 20, 2004, 10:15 PM
Quote:
It was hilarious when they were talking about Uzis punching through drywall. Sure, I bet they could, but then so could my CZ-75, or my buddy's Glock 19, or my friend's Steyr M9, etc.


Hell so could a pencil.


Hell, when I was in college, during a party, this guy Chuck's head burst through TWO layers of drywall from next door, easily enough.

Let's see, average human head = 16 pounds x 7000 = 112000 grains x velocity of say, 200 fps = a power factor of 22400, which is 112 time more powerful than your garden variety 1911.

Dbl0Kevin
November 20, 2004, 10:27 PM
Let's see, average human head = 16 pounds x 7000 = 112000 grains x velocity of say, 200 fps = a power factor of 22400, which is 112 time more powerful than your garden variety 1911.

Your name is well chosen good sir. :neener:

2nd Amendment
November 20, 2004, 10:33 PM
So, did Chuck's head exhibit good expansion and weight retention?

geekWithA.45
November 20, 2004, 10:39 PM
I conclude that Chuck's head must've been FMJ. It niether expanded nor deformed, and retained all of its weight.

Well, actually, it probably increased in weight, since the nearest person took the appropriate defense action: she immediately fed Chuck's head a beer.

Zackmeister
November 20, 2004, 11:09 PM
Actually, Red's Indoor Range in Austin, TX is a 100-yd range. If you want to shoot 100-yd pistol, it's available. Motorized target hangers let you pick your distance.

Hey, I just went there yesterday to test out my new XD-9. Except my target was no where near the back of the place. ;) Small world.

cdpruden
November 21, 2004, 10:52 AM
Here's my letter to them:

----
I'm writing to correct several errors in your story on the recently
lapsed federal Assault Weapons Ban.

The first thing that should be made clear is that the weapon mentioned
at the start is an AR-15, a semi-automatic clone of the M16 that the
US military uses. ?Too often the media and politicians don't make this
distinction.

The Beta-C magazine has been available and legal during the entire
time of the ban, the price was a bit higher because no new ones could
be made.

The flash suppressor really does not disguise the rifle's location,
rather, it makes things a bit easier on the shooters eyes at night or
in a low-light situation. ?Having been at a shooting range as the sun
goes down, I have to say it is still very easy to see the muzzle
flash, even with the flash suppressor.

The collapsible stock allows for slight changes in the length of the
rifle, however, there is a federal limit(and may be state limits as
well) -- and even with the stock at its shortest setting, an AR-15
rifle will almost certainly exceed that limit. ?I suppose that you can
argue that a 30" long rifle is slightly more concealable than a 32"
long rifle -- but myself, I'd have trouble finding any place to
conceal either. The collapsible stock is really about comfort, being
able to set the length of the rifle to fit the shooter the best.

Most shooters don't use human silhouette targets.

The proper term is magazine, and that should be followed. ?There are
very few guns that can be truly said use a 'clip'. ?Using the word
clip makes you sound uninformed -- even though so many people do
anyway.

100 yards is a fairly short range for almost any rifle. ?The AR-15 is
used in competitions out to around 600 yards (although that is with
special ammunition).

*Any* medium sized or larger bullet will punch through drywall, and it
really doesn't matter what it came out of. ?A single-shot rifle firing
the same ammunition as the AR-15 will have about the same muzzle
velocity, maybe even slightly more. ?The .223 is actually a fairly
small round for anything -- it generally isn't used for deer hunting
(at least in Michigan, where the deer are bigger).

Suggesting that aiming is irrelevant is rather... irresponsible. ?Most
shooters are not just interested in blasting off the entire magazine
as quickly as possible, we are interested in hitting our target,
accurately. ?We are interested in making every shot count, and making
each hole in the piece of paper as close to the others as possible.

Finally, I would appreciate in the future a bit more clarification
that fully automatic weapons have been regulated since the 1934
National Firearms Act, the semi-automatic AWB did not even mention
fully automatic weapons. ?Not all NFA weapons are three round burst
(although that's a fairly small error).

I expect better from NPR. ?I expect you to be accurate in your
reporting, and I expect not to hear editorializing along the lines of:
"...there is someone in the next room you want to kill..."
"...makes aiming almost irrelevant..."

I expect you to check your facts before going on the air. ?I also
expect you not to have an agenda. ?I'm not asking you to be pro-gun
rights, I'm just asking you to be accurate and not editorializing in a
report that I would hope is supposed to be objective.

The money that I had set aside to send to NPR this year is being sent
to an organization that works to protect and further my rights. ?Once
I start hearing accurate reporting, I'll come back and start donating
to you again.

I look forward to more accurate reporting from ATC in the future.
----

Maybe I'm hoping for too much.

Don Gwinn
November 21, 2004, 11:23 AM
To their credit, the reporter did say "But the fact is, you could always buy this type of weapon, even when the AWB was in effect." He went on to explain that the AWB only banned "features that Congress found menacing" and that there was little difference between the AR-15's made during the ban and the one Purkey bought.

Hawkmoon
November 21, 2004, 11:26 AM
An excellent letter, CD, but you probably ARE expecting too much.

I have not contributed to NPR for a number of years.

AZRickD
November 21, 2004, 12:53 PM
Not exactly, Don. Congress did not find those features "menacing," they found them "defining." In 1994 the gun banners were having a difficult time with constructing the gun ban in such a way as to not offend "sportsmen" who often used semi-auto weapons which functioned essentially the same as an AR, FAL, AK, etc.

The Remington Model 7400 and the Ruger Mini 14 dont have a bayo lug or pistol grip. Check, double-check. No collapsable stock. Check. No grenade launcher. check.

Why they did the "any two of the following" rule is beyond me, unless some pro-gun lobbyist inserted that language to protect the AR and FAL types from the "ban."

The end result was that the Demo gun grabbers lost both houses of Congress and, save for a short stint caused by Jumpin' Jim Jeffords, have not regained it (not to mention losing the White House -- twice).
NPR's Scott Simon speaks with John Monson, owner of Bill's Gun Shop and Range in Robbinsdale, Minn., about the appeal of semi-automatic guns.That's another favorite talking point of mine. When I began going to the Ben Avery Shooting Facility (50 shooting benches on the main range alone) some 15 years ago, mostly what I saw, day after day, were hunting and competition (bolt gun) rifles, and some handguns. Rare was the military-clone to be seen.

After the passaged of the AW Ban in 1994, that was turned on it's head. Yeah, the CCW bill in Arizona that year caused an increase in pistol play at the range, but all those hunting rifles were replaced, almost overnight, with ARs, FALs, AKs, SKSs, and a smattering of full auto from time to time.

Heck, despite the villification, we can thank Bill Clinton and Sarah Brady for popularizing the very weaponry which the Framers would like us to be practicing with. Couldn't have done it with out ya. ;)

Rick

Mulliga
November 21, 2004, 03:33 PM
So, did Chuck's head exhibit good expansion and weight retention?

Priceless. :D

Exposure
November 21, 2004, 03:47 PM
cdpruden-

Your letter was fantastic. Very well thought out and written.

Sadly, I am afraid you wasted your time. Hardcore anti gun people will only hear what they want to hear. Your letter will be falling on deaf ears. But I loved your letter and really hope that it does some good!

CarlS
November 21, 2004, 07:09 PM
Excellent letter, cdpruden. Very well written.

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