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blacksuit
November 21, 2004, 01:25 PM
I am kinda pissed off right now. I sit here in the great state of kansas and as many of you know I am in one of the 5 states that cannot conceal carry. Of course i think this crazy and can't believe that there are people out there that think that law abiding citizens should not be able to protect themselves. I am a corrections officer and work with the ???? bags of society on a daily basis..been threaten many times, which is part of the job but I cannot carry a weapon to protect my family if the need arises. I carry my gun in my vehicle but of course this doesn't do me a bit of good when I am not in it. I know what some of you are thinking, why don't you just move. Well I might in the future just to get out of this tree hugging sissy state. I am originally form ohio which just passed the CCW about a year ago. Sorry guys just had to vent to someone. :cuss:

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psyopspec
November 21, 2004, 01:45 PM
When was the last time you wrote/called your elected officials with your views?

Chut1st
November 21, 2004, 01:48 PM
Vent away, blacksuit. I hope it helps and I sure understand your attitude. We lived in Nebraska, another "mommy state", for 4 years and when we returned to our home state of Tennessee, one of the first things my wife and I did was take a CCW class and I got licensed to carry. We're blessed to live in the country in a very low-crime county but I never go to Memphis or Nashville without my trusty Kimber Pro Carry.

Good luck in either getting the KS pols to see the light or moving to a state that trusts you as a law-abiding citizen and corrections professional.

Mrs. Armoredman
November 21, 2004, 02:26 PM
Vent away blacksuit. You have the right to. My hubby is a Corrections Sgt. and can totally relate to your profession. He has been with the department for 3 years in Janaury. I hope someday you can move. Good luck to you.

Preacherman
November 21, 2004, 02:34 PM
Vent indeed! I'm also in the corrections field, as a Chaplain, and believe me, I go around a lot more comfortably knowing that, if I meet some of my "clients" on the street, or members of their gangs, I'm in a position to defend myself if need be.

HABU
November 21, 2004, 02:52 PM
Preacherman
I thought the preach is supposed to befreind everyone? Unlike the guards or warden, you have a non-partisan position. Why would the cons have a beef with you?

Mannlicher
November 21, 2004, 03:04 PM
carry anyway. I did for about 35 years before Fla 'granted' a CCW to me.

Standing Wolf
November 21, 2004, 03:04 PM
...can't believe that there are people out there that think that law abiding citizens should not be able to protect themselves.

The leftist extremists know perfectly well they'll never be able to shove socialism down America's throat as long as we, the people are able to resist. I think it's that simple.

justice4all
November 21, 2004, 05:03 PM
You might check to see if you qualify under HR218.

cerberus
November 21, 2004, 05:52 PM
About where you and your family live now days. Kansas is another State I would never live in as long as they have their Anti-Gun carry type laws. :cuss:

armoredman
November 21, 2004, 05:59 PM
Justice4all, we don't qualify here in Az because we aren't considered regular LE, as we don't have general arrest powers on the street.
Blacksuit, welcome! If you are looking for a place, AZ DOC is always looking, as we will pay you for your years of experiance, as well. State COs here have the same statuatory right to carry as sworn LE, according to state law.
What type of unit are you at right now? I am currently a Sgt at a sex offender yard,(gag), but worked lockdown for 2.5 years.

Matt G
November 21, 2004, 05:59 PM
Preacherman
I thought the preach is supposed to befreind everyone? Unlike the guards or warden, you have a non-partisan position. Why would the cons have a beef with you?
Lemme take a shot at that one, as a person in law enforcement who has never been a chaplain, nor actually used the services of one, but who's seen a little bit of how it works:

Chaplains are NOT supposed to brefreind everyone. They can.They sometimes do, I suppose. But a chaplain is to administer spiritual assistance or guidance as needed. I've no doubt that PM provides for the spiritual assistance of his charges, and takes it seriously. But here's the deal: P.M. is also certified as a corrections officer. He's NOT there to get 'em out, no matter what they might think.

A lot of Bad Guys may request a chaplain's aid, thinking that he can "help them" in a different fashion than he is able or inclined to do. When he ministers to them only in the fashion that he is supposed to and no more, is it surprising that some of these convicted criminals may feel some umbrage toward him? After all, they were entitled! :rolleyes: Think also, PM hears spiritual confessions. Imagine a paranoid criminal who has to serve an extra couple of years for a crime, after having confessed to the chaplain. Now, PM didn't share what he heard in confession, but does the paranoid felon believe that? Oh, heck no. He got sold out, he just knows it.

If I were Preacherman, I wouldn't go anywhere without a pistol outside of the joint.

Sisco
November 21, 2004, 07:07 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=112223

Mal H
November 21, 2004, 07:27 PM
If you heard some of the hair-raising true stories Preacherman has told us, you'd carry a concealed GE Minigun 24/7. He has more reason to carry than the vast majority of THR members.

gbran
November 21, 2004, 08:31 PM
I grew up hunting & fishing in Kansas. Luv'd it. I've been in CA now longer than I was in Kansas. I have a CCW and am not far from reasonably good hunting. I don't like CA for other reasons, but I don't miss the weather, tornados, bugs, chiggers, ticks, leaches, humidity and freezing winters.

HABU
November 22, 2004, 12:35 AM
Thanks MattG! I knew there was a good explanation I was unaware of, not being from an LE background.

Preacherman
November 22, 2004, 02:26 AM
I see that Matt and Mal have already answered for me, but I'd like to confirm what they said: being a Chaplain in a prison makes one more of a target, not less. You see, criminals in prison "get religion" for a huge number of reasons. They want to impress a Parole Board; they want to get a letter of reference for when they get out; they want some of the extra privileges a Chaplain can provide (e.g. additional telephone calls to family members, usually granted only for emergency purposes; special religious diet; etc.); and so on. Very few (perhaps 1 in 20) are genuine conversions. Now, as you might imagine, Chaplains get wise to this racket very, very quickly, and we're rather cautious in believing sudden conversion stories, sob stories, etc. When an inmate finds he can't wheedle something out of us, he'll often become abusive and/or threatening toward us. I've several times been threatened that members of the inmate's gang outside the walls would be asked to "get me" unless I gave the inmate what he wanted. Usually, that gets the inmate locked up in solitary confinement quicker than he can say "Huh?" - which endears me to him even less than before... :D

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