My HMO is Anti!!!!


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45R
February 28, 2003, 11:05 AM
I just found out my HMO, I wont say any names.....RKAISE EPERMANENT!!!! Is ANTI GUN!!!!

What other organizations are ANTI!....AOL, HALLMARK?

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cuchulainn
February 28, 2003, 11:23 AM
I recently saw one of the best compilations of antigun folks I've ever seen done by Pink Pistols

http://www.pinkpistols.org/antigun.html

Second Amendment Stuff also has a good list, though not updated in two years

http://secondamendmentstuff.com/antigun_org.htm

Pendragon
February 28, 2003, 11:25 AM
Most HMOs are.

KP is not as in your face as some...

BerettaNut92
February 28, 2003, 11:45 AM
Willie Nelson? Anti gun? Well, that sucks.

Blackhawk
February 28, 2003, 11:49 AM
Wonder why businesses take stands totally irrelevant to their reason for being? :confused:

cuchulainn
February 28, 2003, 11:57 AM
Wonder why businesses take stands totally irrelevant to their reason for being?

Committees ;)

Seriously, I suspect that some of them are listed as anti-gun not because they are activist, but because they have anti-gun employee policies like 7-11 or Dominoes.

Of course, then there are the Ben & Jerry types.

hso
February 28, 2003, 12:02 PM
Be carefull of lists that you don't validate yourself.

A search of the AARP website showed two pages of hits on "gun", but a word search of the individual returns did not show any anti-gun sentiment, nor pro-gun for that matter.

BerettaNut92
February 28, 2003, 12:11 PM
Wonder why businesses take stands totally irrelevant to their reason for being?

Because they have to do something!! :rolleyes:

cuchulainn
February 28, 2003, 12:28 PM
Be carefull of lists that you don't validate yourself.

A search of the AARP website showed two pages of hits on "gun", but a word search of the individual returns did not show any anti-gun sentiment, nor pro-gun for that matter.

AARP's search engine apparently doesn't look through .pdfs on the site.

From the AARP's 2002 Policy Book

http://www.aarp.org/ppa/ch13.pdf

Older people experience the lowest rates of violent crime among all age groups (Figure 13-2).

<snip>

Handguns continue to present a serious threat to citizens of all ages. In 1999, 7,950 people were killed with handguns. The Centers for Disease Control noted that firearm injuries cost more than $20.4 billion in both direct costs for hospital and other medical care and indirect costs for long-term disability and premature death. In addition, at least 80 percent of the economic costs of treating firearm injuries are paid for with taxpayer dollars.

Further, because some states lack restrictions on handgun sales, gunrunners can purchase guns in lenient states for resale in states with more restrictive laws. Even with increased federal controls, more than 108,000 licensed gun dealers operate in this country; only 20 percent of them run storefront businesses. These dealers are subject to few restrictions and have paid
relatively low licensing fees.

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993—the first major gun control legislation to pass Congress since 1968—required a waiting period of five business days for all handgun purchases, providing gun dealers time to check the purchaser’s background. The law also raised licensing fees for gun dealers and required them to notify police of any multiple gun purchases. However, the waiting period provision expired after five years and was replaced with a national “instant check” system to screen out felons through use of computerized criminal records. The 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act includes a ban on assault weapons. The act outlaws for ten years the manufacture and possession of 19 types of assault weapons as well as copycat models and semiautomatic guns that have two or more characteristics associated with assault weapons. The measure also bans ammunition-feeding devices that hold more than ten rounds.

<snip>

The federal government should continue to regulate the vailability of handguns and semiautomatic and automatic weapons. Congress should reinstate the Brady law’s five-day waiting period and should leave in place the assault weapons ban.

bogie
February 28, 2003, 12:51 PM
Keep in mind that some organizations have given significant fundage to groups such as HCI (or whatever they're calling themselves this week).

Mauserlady
February 28, 2003, 01:09 PM
I just found out my HMO, I wont say any names.....RKAISE EPERMANENT!!!! Is ANTI GUN!!!!

Kaiser itself may be but I can guarantee that not all the Dr.'s that work there are.

I always seem to be wearing one of my TFl/Molon Labe shirts or jacket when I have an appt. and I've gotten into some really great conversations with them. Most remember the story but want to know what the "TFL" part stands for.

anchored
February 28, 2003, 01:53 PM
So is the American Bar Association, which I think is a fairly dangerous state of being. I canceled my membership the same day it issued a statement in favbor of heavy gun control. I miss out on some nice publications and discounts, but its worth it. I'd suggest everyone examine the organizations they belong to and get out of those that use your money to support ideals you don't support, and make sure you let them know why.

DJJ
February 28, 2003, 02:41 PM
Kaiser is one of the HMOs my employer offers. It's a running joke around here that you have to take their motto, "Good people...Good medicine" and add "...Good luck" to it.

Pendragon
February 28, 2003, 02:46 PM
Well, I have been pretty happy with Kaiser - dealing with a variety of issues including the birth of our son (where they were awsome).

When you bring your baby in for checkups, they give you this huge survey - do you drink hot liquids while holding baby, do you let him play with large carnivores unattended, do you have loaded guns, etc.

We always went out of our way to put loaded and unlocked guns on the list but we never got any reaction from them.

Sacramento is pretty conservative compared to SF so maybe in the Bay Area you would get a nice bliss ninny freakout...

mtnbkr
February 28, 2003, 03:04 PM
Well, I have been pretty happy with Kaiser - dealing with a variety of issues including the birth of our son (where they were awsome).

So have my wife and I. She has a chronic medical issue and KP has been very good at treating it.. On top of that, she's now pregnant and the care she gets from KP has been great. I have no complaints whatsoever.

The best part is no paperwork and only a $10 copay for visits and $5 for prescriptions. Since her hematologist gave her a standing order, she can get bloodwork done whenever she pleases with no copay.

As long as she gets the care she needs and is happy with their service, I'll stick with them (I've only needed a doctor visit once and I was pleased with the service as well).

Chris

westex
February 28, 2003, 06:44 PM
I've never been in a HMO and know very little about them but how do you know one is "anti"? Do they send out notices or what?

Pendragon
February 28, 2003, 08:01 PM
Mostly, they just have papers and flyers that tout the typical line: guns more likely to hurt you then BG.

They have papers that show what the most likley cause of death is for various groups - for young people they say gunshot and car accidents and alchohol, etc.

Its stuff that most people might not even notice...

Ol' Badger
February 28, 2003, 08:10 PM
Boy'o it says Harry Nilson - Singer Not Willie Nelson :rolleyes: :D

DMK
February 28, 2003, 08:35 PM
I just found out my HMO ... Is ANTI GUN!!!! I guess you didn't pick up on the "socialist" part in Socialized Medicine huh? ;)

Standing Wolf
February 28, 2003, 09:50 PM
My Kaiser Permanente purported "nurse practitioner" couldn't tell my left arm from my right. She was quick to offer prescriptions for pain pills, but extremely slow to prescribe anything even remotely like professional diagnosis. Once I finally convinced a veritable committee to sign on the dotted line for an M.R.I., I was told the "results were more or less normal," but never permitted to see the actual scans, still less borrow them to show my chiropractor.

In short, the "medical care" was just an illusion, just like leftist extremist so-called "gun control."

Kcustom45
February 28, 2003, 10:36 PM
Aerosmith is on the anti list? Is that right?

Mauserlady
March 1, 2003, 10:50 AM
Aerosmith is on the anti list? Is that right?

Nope.... OK, not all of Aerosmith are anti..

Both Steven Tyler and Joe Perry are gun owners, have shot with Ted Nugent many times and Joe Perry hunts. Not sure about Steven and hunting though.

Kcustom45
March 1, 2003, 05:48 PM
Thanks Mauserlady! Thats what I thought.

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